I noticed that a lot of high end auto audio systems use a capacitor in
series with the main power lead to the amplifies so the amp hits harder.
Could this same principle be applied to ssb, I think it can.
place a 1 farad audio cap inline with the power lead to say a Texas star
dx1600 and you run the rig on ssb the cap will discharge under peak load
giving you a higher average output.

Any comments? (and I mean REAL comments)

On Mon, 8 Dec 2003 03:23:00 -0600, "Dr. Death"
wrote:

I noticed that a lot of high end auto audio systems use a capacitor in
series with the main power lead to the amplifies so the amp hits harder.
Could this same principle be applied to ssb, I think it can.
place a 1 farad audio cap inline with the power lead to say a Texas star
dx1600 and you run the rig on ssb the cap will discharge under peak load
giving you a higher average output.

Any comments? (and I mean REAL comments)

There's not even close to enough stored energy in large capacitor
to make and peak voltage difference that would translate into any
perceivable gain.

P.S. the cap is in parallel

On Mon, 08 Dec 2003 05:02:34 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 8 Dec 2003 03:23:00 -0600, "Dr. Death"
wrote:

I noticed that a lot of high end auto audio systems use a capacitor in
series with the main power lead to the amplifies so the amp hits harder.
Could this same principle be applied to ssb, I think it can.
place a 1 farad audio cap inline with the power lead to say a Texas star
dx1600 and you run the rig on ssb the cap will discharge under peak load
giving you a higher average output.

Any comments? (and I mean REAL comments)

There's not even close to enough stored energy in a large capacitor
to make any peak voltage difference that would translate into any
perceivable gain.

P.S. the cap is in parallel

^corrected grammar ^

"Dr. Death",
It wouldn't help at all, especially if the capacitor
is in series with the power line to the amplifier.
'Doc

In , "Dr. Death"
wrote:

I noticed that a lot of high end auto audio systems use a capacitor in
series with the main power lead to the amplifies so the amp hits harder.
Could this same principle be applied to ssb, I think it can.
place a 1 farad audio cap inline with the power lead to say a Texas star
dx1600 and you run the rig on ssb the cap will discharge under peak load
giving you a higher average output.

Any comments? (and I mean REAL comments)



Even though you are a troll, you actually raise a good point here. Now I'm
assuming you meant that the capacitor is connected in parallel with the power
supply leads, because if it were connected in series you would get no power.

In an SSB amp the RF power follows the audio, and will therefore have a current
draw that varies at audio frequencies. A capacitor placed across the power leads
of the amp, when combined with the inherent resistance of the wires from the
battery, creates a simple low-pass filter which will help smooth out those
'audio' peaks. The bigger the amp, the bigger the cap. And keep the leads from
the amp to the cap as short as possible.

BTW, this type of filter won't do much in AM service since the current drawn by
the amp in AM is fairly steady (at least it -should- be, i.e, it's not
amplifying a signal loaded with overmodulation and 'swang'). But it -will-
filter out noise from the power supply.

A word about those 'moster caps' for audio amps: Most of them have a high
equivalent series resistance (ESR) which defeats the purpose of using them. They
behave more like a rechargeable battery than a capacitor. Locate your local
computer junkyard and get some of those big electrolytics from the mainframe
power supplies. Typically, just one 100,000 uFd aluminum electrolytic has a
lower ESR than a 1.0 farad 'monster' cap. Also remember that you can reduce the
ESR by putting capacitors in parallel. Ten 10,000 uFd caps in parallel will have
a much better ESR, and therefore much better filtering ability, than one 100,000
uFd capacitor of the same type, even though the total mFd value is the same.





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no...on car audio its in series with the positive feed

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On Mon, 8 Dec 2003 03:23:00 -0600, "Dr. Death"
wrote:

I noticed that a lot of high end auto audio systems use a capacitor in
series with the main power lead to the amplifies so the amp hits harder.
Could this same principle be applied to ssb, I think it can.
place a 1 farad audio cap inline with the power lead to say a Texas star
dx1600 and you run the rig on ssb the cap will discharge under peak load
giving you a higher average output.

Any comments? (and I mean REAL comments)

There's not even close to enough stored energy in large capacitor
to make and peak voltage difference that would translate into any
perceivable gain.

P.S. the cap is in parallel

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In , "Dr. Death"
wrote:

I noticed that a lot of high end auto audio systems use a capacitor in
series with the main power lead to the amplifies so the amp hits harder.
Could this same principle be applied to ssb, I think it can.
place a 1 farad audio cap inline with the power lead to say a Texas star
dx1600 and you run the rig on ssb the cap will discharge under peak load
giving you a higher average output.

Any comments? (and I mean REAL comments)



Even though you are a troll, you actually raise a good point here. Now I'm

troll????? you don't even know me.

assuming you meant that the capacitor is connected in parallel with the
power

bad on my part, i thought it was in series butv after closer investigation i
found they were grounding it with the mounting bracket

supply leads, because if it were connected in series you would get no
power.

In an SSB amp the RF power follows the audio, and will therefore have a
current
draw that varies at audio frequencies. A capacitor placed across the power
leads
of the amp, when combined with the inherent resistance of the wires from
the
battery, creates a simple low-pass filter which will help smooth out those
'audio' peaks. The bigger the amp, the bigger the cap. And keep the leads
from
the amp to the cap as short as possible.

So you agree, it would work for ssb

BTW, this type of filter won't do much in AM service since the current
drawn by
the amp in AM is fairly steady (at least it -should- be, i.e, it's not
amplifying a signal loaded with overmodulation and 'swang'). But it -will-
filter out noise from the power supply.

A word about those 'moster caps' for audio amps: Most of them have a high
equivalent series resistance (ESR) which defeats the purpose of using
them. They
behave more like a rechargeable battery than a capacitor. Locate your
local
computer junkyard and get some of those big electrolytics from the
mainframe
power supplies. Typically, just one 100,000 uFd aluminum electrolytic has
a
lower ESR than a 1.0 farad 'monster' cap. Also remember that you can
reduce the
ESR by putting capacitors in parallel. Ten 10,000 uFd caps in parallel
will have
a much better ESR, and therefore much better filtering ability, than one
100,000
uFd capacitor of the same type, even though the total mFd value is the
same.





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So you agree, it would work for ssb

I agree that adding a cap across the power leads will help keep the peaks up,
and that's assuming the amp isn't clipping on the peaks. IOW, it should improve
the audio quality when using a less-than-perfect power supply, just as if it
were an audio amp. What it -won't- do is improve your average output power by
any significant margin.







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if your peaks are up that equates to higher (but probably not much like you
said) average output. BUT, you brought up a good point about the clipping

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In , "Dr. Death"
wrote:

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So you agree, it would work for ssb

I agree that adding a cap across the power leads will help keep the peaks
up,
and that's assuming the amp isn't clipping on the peaks. IOW, it should
improve
the audio quality when using a less-than-perfect power supply, just as if
it
were an audio amp. What it -won't- do is improve your average output power
by
any significant margin.







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Dr. Death wrote:
no...on car audio its in series with the positive feed

I don't think a capacitor in series with the DC power lead of a car
audio system is going to work very well.

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On Mon, 8 Dec 2003 03:23:00 -0600, "Dr. Death"
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I noticed that a lot of high end auto audio systems use a capacitor in
series with the main power lead to the amplifies so the amp hits harder.

This is more audiophool nonsense than anything else.