On 02 Feb 2004 05:24:11 GMT, (WA8ULX) wrote:

So your a hipocrit in other words.


No, just telling the facts which you cant handle

You dont have any facts!

On 02 Feb 2004 13:43:00 GMT, (WA8ULX) wrote:

You dont have any facts!


That you want to hear

And he avoids it again.

On 02 Feb 2004 13:45:33 GMT, (WA8ULX) wrote:

Testing for an amateur license will not be dropped and never will be,
So where do you get a FREE RIDE at! Are you that brain dead?

I guess you have trouble reading as well as many other things. "CBRRLs"
Proposal calls for FREE UPGRADES, try and keep up will you?

And again, Avoiding an honest answer to a simple question. Its amazing
Amateur Radio has survived this long with morons like you supporting
it.

On Mon, 02 Feb 2004 22:41:17 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this
mindspring.com wrote:


"WA8ULX" wrote in message
...
If the FCC does'nt care about the code, then why would they throw out
this proposal which includes what the FCC has been wanting
(Streamlining)?

kf6foz


He still doesnt get it

Well Bruce, like I say.....Ya jest cain't fix stupid.

Dan/W4NTI


It's obvious, they couldn't fix you or Bruce.

On Mon, 02 Feb 2004 19:18:51 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this
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"Old School" wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 01 Feb 2004 13:33:10 -0500, Lou wrote:

On Sun, 1 Feb 2004 19:21:23 +0100, "Helmut"
wrote:


Its not them, the CBLUSSERS AN`D KNUCKLE.... as you call them, dear poor
old
man Bruce, making me ashamed to be a ham myself. Its you allone, and
these
human beeings never stopping to accept decisions from the ITU, IARU and
FCC.
International, all the decisions were made and are validated. And the
little
America will run behind.

I always thought, the Americans, they are the leaders of the world! Not
in
Amateur Radio. Their highest class amateurs are too old, stupid and
shortminded to be.

73 de OE8SOQ
Helmut


Even though I can be included in this group, because of idiots like
Bruce, I have to agree with Helmut. Unfortunately he makes us ALL look
bad. We aren't all like him though. Fortunately there are more good
operators here in America than bad ones like Bruce.

The problem with Bruce is, He is all mouth and no action. America
needs to move forward with all aspects. People like Bruce are the one
that hold this country back from progress. All I can say now is, he
and his little leet group of CBextra buddies will be all alone. All of
us other open minded hams like Helmut and HLR will be be having fun
talking on our rigs while you sit there waiting for someone to beep
you.

73
de kf6foz

How does wanting to preserve the past mean he is holding things back? You
no code geeks are the short sighted ones.

Just because it is old, does NOT MEAN you should throw it out with the
trash.

Dan/W4NTI


None of us have said anything about throwing it in the trash. Some of
these NO-CODERs are gonna get there code because of the mystery of
code. It's like watching a scrambled cable tv channel, makes you
wonder what is going on. I don't want to see code gone as in never
used again. Keep it part of the Amateur Community, but don't force it
on others. There is other ways of preserving code which I see on Field
Day and Swap Meets also at Club Meetings. Keep it alive by discussing
it and doing competitions like field day.

"Old School" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 02 Feb 2004 19:18:51 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this
mindspring.com wrote:


"Old School" wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 01 Feb 2004 13:33:10 -0500, Lou wrote:

On Sun, 1 Feb 2004 19:21:23 +0100, "Helmut"
wrote:


Its not them, the CBLUSSERS AN`D KNUCKLE.... as you call them, dear
poor
old
man Bruce, making me ashamed to be a ham myself. Its you allone, and
these
human beeings never stopping to accept decisions from the ITU, IARU
and
FCC.
International, all the decisions were made and are validated. And the
little
America will run behind.

I always thought, the Americans, they are the leaders of the world!
Not
in
Amateur Radio. Their highest class amateurs are too old, stupid and
shortminded to be.

73 de OE8SOQ
Helmut


Even though I can be included in this group, because of idiots like
Bruce, I have to agree with Helmut. Unfortunately he makes us ALL look
bad. We aren't all like him though. Fortunately there are more good
operators here in America than bad ones like Bruce.

The problem with Bruce is, He is all mouth and no action. America
needs to move forward with all aspects. People like Bruce are the one
that hold this country back from progress. All I can say now is, he
and his little leet group of CBextra buddies will be all alone. All of
us other open minded hams like Helmut and HLR will be be having fun
talking on our rigs while you sit there waiting for someone to beep
you.

73
de kf6foz

How does wanting to preserve the past mean he is holding things back?
You
no code geeks are the short sighted ones.

Just because it is old, does NOT MEAN you should throw it out with the
trash.

Dan/W4NTI


None of us have said anything about throwing it in the trash. Some of
these NO-CODERs are gonna get there code because of the mystery of
code. It's like watching a scrambled cable tv channel, makes you
wonder what is going on. I don't want to see code gone as in never
used again. Keep it part of the Amateur Community, but don't force it
on others. There is other ways of preserving code which I see on Field
Day and Swap Meets also at Club Meetings. Keep it alive by discussing
it and doing competitions like field day.

Dang...something I can agree with.

You know something? I suggested the three license system a long time ago
to the FCC. And I also suggested a endorsement program. Such as for
various 'specialty' modes. SSTV, CW, Digital, etc. These would require
the applicant to show some degree of competence in those modes, such as at
a club.

It was totally ignored of course.

Dan/W4NTI

Steveo wrote:

Old School wrote:

On 02 Feb 2004 13:43:00 GMT, (WA8ULX) wrote:


You dont have any facts!


That you want to hear

And he avoids it again.


He doesn't use CW anymore than I do.

Your wife said you got CW tatooed on your left ass cheek.

On Tue, 03 Feb 2004 00:58:55 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this
mindspring.com wrote:


"Old School" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 02 Feb 2004 19:18:51 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this
mindspring.com wrote:


"Old School" wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 01 Feb 2004 13:33:10 -0500, Lou wrote:

On Sun, 1 Feb 2004 19:21:23 +0100, "Helmut"
wrote:


Its not them, the CBLUSSERS AN`D KNUCKLE.... as you call them, dear
poor
old
man Bruce, making me ashamed to be a ham myself. Its you allone, and
these
human beeings never stopping to accept decisions from the ITU, IARU
and
FCC.
International, all the decisions were made and are validated. And the
little
America will run behind.

I always thought, the Americans, they are the leaders of the world!
Not
in
Amateur Radio. Their highest class amateurs are too old, stupid and
shortminded to be.

73 de OE8SOQ
Helmut


Even though I can be included in this group, because of idiots like
Bruce, I have to agree with Helmut. Unfortunately he makes us ALL look
bad. We aren't all like him though. Fortunately there are more good
operators here in America than bad ones like Bruce.

The problem with Bruce is, He is all mouth and no action. America
needs to move forward with all aspects. People like Bruce are the one
that hold this country back from progress. All I can say now is, he
and his little leet group of CBextra buddies will be all alone. All of
us other open minded hams like Helmut and HLR will be be having fun
talking on our rigs while you sit there waiting for someone to beep
you.

73
de kf6foz

How does wanting to preserve the past mean he is holding things back?
You
no code geeks are the short sighted ones.

Just because it is old, does NOT MEAN you should throw it out with the
trash.

Dan/W4NTI


None of us have said anything about throwing it in the trash. Some of
these NO-CODERs are gonna get there code because of the mystery of
code. It's like watching a scrambled cable tv channel, makes you
wonder what is going on. I don't want to see code gone as in never
used again. Keep it part of the Amateur Community, but don't force it
on others. There is other ways of preserving code which I see on Field
Day and Swap Meets also at Club Meetings. Keep it alive by discussing
it and doing competitions like field day.

Dang...something I can agree with.

You know something? I suggested the three license system a long time ago
to the FCC. And I also suggested a endorsement program. Such as for
various 'specialty' modes. SSTV, CW, Digital, etc. These would require
the applicant to show some degree of competence in those modes, such as at
a club.

It was totally ignored of course.

Dan/W4NTI

Nice to agree on one thing at least!
and it wouldn't have been ignored by me...

"Old School" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 02 Feb 2004 02:53:10 GMT, "Dee D. Flint"
wrote:


"Old School" wrote in message
.. .
What is it you phoney people want?


No free upgrades. Even if code is dropped they should have to take the
written. What is so hard to understand about that?

Absolutley nothing!

The FCC has made references to the Streamlining. It will be alot of
work in order to change the system, but in the long run, it will be
much easier to maintain. Think about it, they will only have to
maintain 3 groups of licenses, Novice, General and Extra instead of 6,
Novice, Tech, Tech +, General, Advanced and Extra.


Like I said, it does not make the system easier to maintain. For current
license class, the database only needs a single field. It doesn't matter
if
there is a choice of 3 possible entries or 6 possible entries. It's a
single keystroke in a single field.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

I should correct myself, it wont make the system easier to maintain,
however it will reduce the amount of paper work, printing supplies and
confusion at the testing site and printing facility. Therefore it will
help reduce confusion at the FFC offices.


The FCC generally doesn't even see the paperwork anymore. The VECs enter it
right on-line. Thus there is no confusion at the FCC offices as they aren't
doing any of the work.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

I have had my Tech license for about a year now, and have been learning the
code. I am getting very close to being able to take the code test. I find
it a lot of fun and look forward to operating on the HF bands.

If everyone could play nice and stay on their own freqs for CW, SSB, etc.
the code requirement could be lifted. That would be an ideal situation
where everyone could enjoy amateur radio using their favorite method of
communication. But since that normally doesn't happen, the requirement
stays. If the CW requirement is abolished after I have my licensee, so be
it. But I'll have something the no-coders don't... a working knowledge of
another way of communication that has been around in the past, present, and
will remain with us in the future.

I have enjoyed this hobby so far, and am looking forward to getting on the
HF bands in the future. I also look to the "old-timers" and "newbies" alike
for help, guidance, and just good conversation.

Just my 2 cents worth...
Doug/KC8YEC

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"Old School" wrote in message
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On Mon, 02 Feb 2004 19:18:51 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this
mindspring.com wrote:


"Old School" wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 01 Feb 2004 13:33:10 -0500, Lou wrote:

On Sun, 1 Feb 2004 19:21:23 +0100, "Helmut"
wrote:


Its not them, the CBLUSSERS AN`D KNUCKLE.... as you call them, dear
poor
old
man Bruce, making me ashamed to be a ham myself. Its you allone,
and
these
human beeings never stopping to accept decisions from the ITU, IARU
and
FCC.
International, all the decisions were made and are validated. And
the
little
America will run behind.

I always thought, the Americans, they are the leaders of the world!
Not
in
Amateur Radio. Their highest class amateurs are too old, stupid and
shortminded to be.

73 de OE8SOQ
Helmut


Even though I can be included in this group, because of idiots like
Bruce, I have to agree with Helmut. Unfortunately he makes us ALL
look
bad. We aren't all like him though. Fortunately there are more
good
operators here in America than bad ones like Bruce.

The problem with Bruce is, He is all mouth and no action. America
needs to move forward with all aspects. People like Bruce are the one
that hold this country back from progress. All I can say now is, he
and his little leet group of CBextra buddies will be all alone. All
of
us other open minded hams like Helmut and HLR will be be having fun
talking on our rigs while you sit there waiting for someone to beep
you.

73
de kf6foz

How does wanting to preserve the past mean he is holding things back?
You
no code geeks are the short sighted ones.

Just because it is old, does NOT MEAN you should throw it out with the
trash.

Dan/W4NTI


None of us have said anything about throwing it in the trash. Some of
these NO-CODERs are gonna get there code because of the mystery of
code. It's like watching a scrambled cable tv channel, makes you
wonder what is going on. I don't want to see code gone as in never
used again. Keep it part of the Amateur Community, but don't force it
on others. There is other ways of preserving code which I see on Field
Day and Swap Meets also at Club Meetings. Keep it alive by discussing
it and doing competitions like field day.

Dang...something I can agree with.

You know something? I suggested the three license system a long time ago
to the FCC. And I also suggested a endorsement program. Such as for
various 'specialty' modes. SSTV, CW, Digital, etc. These would require
the applicant to show some degree of competence in those modes, such as
at
a club.

It was totally ignored of course.

Dan/W4NTI