"jim" wrote in message
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BILL wrote:
THIS IS MY STORY- THERE ARE MANY MORE, JUST SEARCH THE INTERNET
GROUPS!!!!!


The following is a copy of a product return report I sent to copper.

To who it may concern,
This amp was delivered to me on Jan. 9 2004, cod by ups. I hooked it
up properly to my Cobra 142gtl base and let it set at room temp to
allow it to warm up some as it came off the truck very cold. I used it
on AM for approx 15 min with no problems. I switched both amp and
radio to sb and spoke to a friend for a short time,no problems. I
keyed the mic again and before speaking the amp made a pop noise and I
noticed smoke comming out of the top vent. I shut unit off and put it
right back in the box that it arrived in. My radio was bought new by
me, and has never had any mods or so called golden screw drivers in
it. I believe the radio comes from the factory in good working order
and does not require any "fixing to operate properly, thus longer life
radio parts from undue stress. This radio does 4-5 watts on am and a
max of 12(with screem in mic) on sb. I use a stock cobra mic and a
solarcon antenna. These facts I have stated I swear to. I believe the
proper thing to do is exchange this unit for a new working one as I
believe the unit sent was defective. This would be the proper thing to
do rather than have the customer wait on repairs, parts or ect. If I
must wait then so be it. Thanks you, William D-n-v-n

Mr. D-n-v-n,
We received your amp back from our repair shop and they said that you
overdrove the
unit and blew it up. The repair bill will be $102.00. Let me know what
you want to do.
Thanks
Suzanne

YOU BE THE JUDGE OF ALL THIS_

before you bought the amp did you do any research to find out what
coppers warranty was?

I didn't think Coppers sold amps.

Landshark


--
The world is good-natured to people
who are good natured.

User error. You overdrove your amp. Your dead key should have been
lower.



The likelihood of one individual being correct increases in a direct
proportion to the intensity with which others try to prove him wrong

Jim@Optonline wrote:

buyer beware obviously but driving an amp

with 4 watts stock and it fries?




Yea,,that's odd.




if that is true

then copper should make the caveat that only
low power is needed which brings up another

scenario where the operator has to turn it

down. what a mess that would bring...





Many amps say "X-amount of watts out with 3 or 4 watts in." Additional
watts, even one, = user error, NOT more power. You need admit, the
majority of repairs on many fiddled with radios and amps arrive that
state via user error and/or ignorance. The radio and amp need "married"
to each other in a most perect union. This obviously was not done. In
many, many cases of such amp use, a lower dead key on the radio
(necessitating an adjustment to the output) is not only desirable, but
necessary. Chances are he overdrove it.




The likelihood of one individual being correct increases in a direct
proportion to the intensity with which others try to prove him wrong

James@opton-lion wrote:
you know better than me on the used gear as i
never go with that. never tried their web site.

used consumerreports today to pick up a

portable cd/mp3 player and a wifi system..




Those Wi-Fi's are out of hand here. You can inadvertantly land on
another's lan and the signals can be overwhelming because of
overcrowdedness,,at times, there are some six to nine networks
available, some will drop out, and at other times, none are available.
Reliability sucks because of the overabundance and interference with
each other's signals here. Infancy stage......

..

The likelihood of one individual being correct increases in a direct
proportion to the intensity with which others try to prove him wrong

(MrTimNebo)
nebo builts are all high drives. 50 watts pep is fine into all of my
units. dont try that with a skywave!

Is that a Nebo built?



Perhaps the one I heard coming out of Galveston last week was using a
Mt. Nebo (There is such a place) Amplifier. He sounded loud and had a
good signal, but it was all he could do to listen to the 'pile..I really
wish I could say it was me,,but it was all momma nature,,,,,it was one
of those days where everyone in Texas said the pile was 30 db all the
live long day. Was good until black gold came preachin' in there calling
himself worldwide Train......Lucky Boy keyed and everyone else
disappeared..except the very bad man in St Pete that held court with
Lucky Boy....and nobody else.





The likelihood of one individual being correct increases in a direct
proportion to the intensity with which others try to prove him wrong

Group: rec.radio.cb Date: Fri, Feb 6, 2004, 2:22am (EST+5) From:
(jim)
MrTimNebo wrote:
nebo builts are all high drives. 50 watts pep is fine into all of my
units. dont try that with a skywave!

Is that a Nebo built?

look who comes outta the woodwork... c'mon tim, bringing the professors
amp into the open? thought we heard the last of that...


__


Some say it is like Snipe hunting. Does it truly exist? Who actually had
one? I made Griff an offer on one once......(shrug)...gave him the
benefit of doubt, but I think he was afraid I was the local FCC enforcer
or something. Perhaps he was afraid it would be used for illegal gains
like (horrors) dx on the freeband.




The likelihood of one individual being correct increases in a direct
proportion to the intensity with which others try to prove him wrong

Group: rec.radio.cb Date: Thu, Feb 5, 2004, 10:05pm From:
Moparholic@hotmail-no spam-.com (Steveo)
"MrTimNebo" wrote in message
...
nebo builts are all high drives. 50 watts pep is fine into all of my
units. dont try that with a skywave!

Is that a Nebo built?

Does gw run Nebo built?
_

Which GW? The one in Houston,,,,,,NO.,,but I sure have been ****ing off
the San Antonio GW by jumping in his receive and not leaving until I'm
good and ready......which occurs aftre making three tags in a
row....three is da' magic number...one for each coordinate from my
position.


The likelihood of one individual being correct increases in a direct
proportion to the intensity with which others try to prove him wrong

My little buddy Frank Gilliland wrote:
What sympathy? Call 1-800-BOO-HOOO.

Need legal advice? Don't buy illegal amps.

How about a technical opinion? Most "linear"

amps are rated for peak power (PEP) for both

input and output. That means if it's rated for 4

watts input, don't feed it any more than 1 watt

RMS on AM or 4 watts PEP on SSB. If it's

rated for 100 watts PEP output, that means

you shouldn't run it any higher than 25 watts

out on AM. If that's the case then you probably
did overdrive it. You could also have some

grounding issues, or a mismatch between the

radio and the amp. And here's some more

advice: Learn what you are doing so you don't

get burned in the future.






Mopar is right. Hell froze over. It must be one brutal freakin' winter
up yonder. Frank displayed a clarity above not seen since his better
days.



The likelihood of one individual being correct increases in a direct
proportion to the intensity with which others try to prove him wrong

(Twistedhed) wrote:
Many amps say "X-amount of watts out with 3 or 4 watts in."
Additional
watts, even one, = user error, NOT more power. You need admit, the
majority of repairs on many fiddled with radios and amps arrive that
state via user error and/or ignorance. The radio and amp need
"married"
to each other in a most perect union. This obviously was not done. In
many, many cases of such amp use, a lower dead key on the radio
(necessitating an adjustment to the output) is not only desirable,
but
necessary. Chances are he overdrove it.

Another scenario is the amp makers know there time is coming the FCC
is breathing down there neck so they are making defective amps with
more and more mistakes in them i.e. the thing blew up as it rightly
should.

(I Am Not George) wrote in message om...
(Twistedhed) wrote:
Many amps say "X-amount of watts out with 3 or 4 watts in."
Additional
watts, even one, = user error, NOT more power. You need admit, the
majority of repairs on many fiddled with radios and amps arrive that
state via user error and/or ignorance. The radio and amp need
"married"
to each other in a most perect union. This obviously was not done. In
many, many cases of such amp use, a lower dead key on the radio
(necessitating an adjustment to the output) is not only desirable,
but
necessary. Chances are he overdrove it.

Another scenario is the amp makers know there time is coming the FCC
is breathing down there neck so they are making defective amps with
more and more mistakes in them i.e. the thing blew up as it rightly
should.

Like you would have a clue anyhow.