Ah...good point.

Don



Well, I've never tried using one for dx. I'd rather do that without any
help. The repeater was just for getting mobiles and hand healds on an
equal
playing field with base stations around town. For that, it works great.
When
the skip starts rolling, your freind across town isn't going to hear you
while your on a trc-216 even if you have it's antena fully extended.
(unless you connect it to an external antenna and maybe run up some heat).

-Dr.X

Well then you made no point. I think everyone here is mature enough to
already know it's illegal. I don't recall reading anything in the thread
that said/argued otherwise.

Typically, things are illegal for a reason. I'm still listening to why a
repeater should be illegal on a CB freq....and a car going 100 mph ain't
gonna cut it :-)

Don

"NO SPAM" wrote in message
rio.net...
"Dr.X" wrote in message
...
"NO SPAM" wrote in message
erio.net...

"Dr.X" wrote in message
...
"Jerry" wrote in message
...
http://www.kb8ygc.com/Repeater.pdf

This comes from www.copper.com "forums". Apparently, there is a
"repeater"
for the chicken band on the air. The link at the very top has
pictures,
circuitry and everything! Is this not against the law? .

Jerry

I've made 11 meter repeaters before. If you stay low keyed, you can
get
away
with it for a very long time. Personally I think it's much better
than
running a bunch of heat to get out and you're not splattering the
crap
out
of your neighbors if you're accessing it from your home. Worked great
with
a
HH too but I had to make the encoder inside a large mobile mic since
I
couldn't fit it into the radio shack hh at the time.

-Dr.X



Do you also drive at 100 MPH because it's illegal to do so and you've
done
it before? People who always break the rules are partially responsible
for
yet more being imposed. Rules are made for a reason. And no, it isn't
to
be
broken....

NS

If you're going to use that analogy, then make it a little more
realistic.
Using a repeater on 11 meters is more like driving 5 MPH over the speed
limit. I guess you would rather have folks driving near hospitals with
1200
watt splatter boxes stopping hart monitors just so they can be heard.

-Dr.X



The whole point WAS.... Do you do it because it is ILLEGAL? Driving faster
than the speed limit allows - regardless if 5 or 100, linear amps, etc...
ALL are illegal, so is that why you do it? ANY analogy could be used in
this
case. IF it is illegal, it is illegal - regardless what the situation is
which is against the laws of the land. As for comparing the damage done
in
going 100 mph as opposed to a CB repeater... Maybe there isn't any
comparison in that regard, BUT again BOTH are illegal. No, I wouldn't want
people driving past Hospitals with 1200W splatter boxes, silly statement -
they're not legal anyhow. SO that analogy sucks as bad as you think mine
did. Besides, they won't "stop" a heart monitor. Maybe interfere. A "heart
monitor" won't "stop" the heart, it merely reads the heart rhythm and
allows
the staff to see how the patient is doing. RF in close proximity may
interfere with a Pacer, but I'm not so sure a 1200 watt radio going down
the
road will do it. It is more like Microwave ovens up close, some other
forms
of RF at high density, like Radar System. Cell phones are even thought to
do it - in some cases. I'm sure there are 1500 watt Ham stations within
proximity to some hospitals with no mention of problems. But no matter,
if
you're into illegal operations, nothing anyone else says will sit well
with
you. All I can say is - do it long enough, your turn will come.

NS

Call the FCC and ask them, they're the ones who made the law, not me. I'm
not going to waste anymore time on this. It's illegal, I didn't make it that
way, and I'm not going to burn hours to defend it.

NS

"M-Tech" wrote in message
...
Well then you made no point. I think everyone here is mature enough to
already know it's illegal. I don't recall reading anything in the thread
that said/argued otherwise.

Typically, things are illegal for a reason. I'm still listening to why a
repeater should be illegal on a CB freq....and a car going 100 mph ain't
gonna cut it :-)

Don

"NO SPAM" wrote in message
rio.net...
"Dr.X" wrote in message
...
"NO SPAM" wrote in message
erio.net...

"Dr.X" wrote in message
...
"Jerry" wrote in message
...
http://www.kb8ygc.com/Repeater.pdf

This comes from www.copper.com "forums". Apparently, there is a
"repeater"
for the chicken band on the air. The link at the very top has
pictures,
circuitry and everything! Is this not against the law? .

Jerry

I've made 11 meter repeaters before. If you stay low keyed, you can
get
away
with it for a very long time. Personally I think it's much better
than
running a bunch of heat to get out and you're not splattering the
crap
out
of your neighbors if you're accessing it from your home. Worked
great
with
a
HH too but I had to make the encoder inside a large mobile mic
since
I
couldn't fit it into the radio shack hh at the time.

-Dr.X



Do you also drive at 100 MPH because it's illegal to do so and you've
done
it before? People who always break the rules are partially
responsible
for
yet more being imposed. Rules are made for a reason. And no, it isn't
to
be
broken....

NS

If you're going to use that analogy, then make it a little more
realistic.
Using a repeater on 11 meters is more like driving 5 MPH over the speed
limit. I guess you would rather have folks driving near hospitals with
1200
watt splatter boxes stopping hart monitors just so they can be heard.

-Dr.X



The whole point WAS.... Do you do it because it is ILLEGAL? Driving
faster
than the speed limit allows - regardless if 5 or 100, linear amps,
etc...
ALL are illegal, so is that why you do it? ANY analogy could be used in
this
case. IF it is illegal, it is illegal - regardless what the situation is
which is against the laws of the land. As for comparing the damage done
in
going 100 mph as opposed to a CB repeater... Maybe there isn't any
comparison in that regard, BUT again BOTH are illegal. No, I wouldn't
want
people driving past Hospitals with 1200W splatter boxes, silly
statement -
they're not legal anyhow. SO that analogy sucks as bad as you think mine
did. Besides, they won't "stop" a heart monitor. Maybe interfere. A
"heart
monitor" won't "stop" the heart, it merely reads the heart rhythm and
allows
the staff to see how the patient is doing. RF in close proximity may
interfere with a Pacer, but I'm not so sure a 1200 watt radio going down
the
road will do it. It is more like Microwave ovens up close, some other
forms
of RF at high density, like Radar System. Cell phones are even thought
to
do it - in some cases. I'm sure there are 1500 watt Ham stations within
proximity to some hospitals with no mention of problems. But no matter,
if
you're into illegal operations, nothing anyone else says will sit well
with
you. All I can say is - do it long enough, your turn will come.

NS

"NO SPAM" wrote in message
rio.net...
"Dr.X" wrote in message
...
"NO SPAM" wrote in message
erio.net...

"Dr.X" wrote in message
...
"Jerry" wrote in message
...
http://www.kb8ygc.com/Repeater.pdf

This comes from www.copper.com "forums". Apparently, there is a
"repeater"
for the chicken band on the air. The link at the very top has
pictures,
circuitry and everything! Is this not against the law? .

Jerry

I've made 11 meter repeaters before. If you stay low keyed, you can
get
away
with it for a very long time. Personally I think it's much better
than
running a bunch of heat to get out and you're not splattering the
crap
out
of your neighbors if you're accessing it from your home. Worked
great
with
a
HH too but I had to make the encoder inside a large mobile mic since
I
couldn't fit it into the radio shack hh at the time.

-Dr.X



Do you also drive at 100 MPH because it's illegal to do so and you've
done
it before? People who always break the rules are partially responsible
for
yet more being imposed. Rules are made for a reason. And no, it isn't
to
be
broken....

NS

If you're going to use that analogy, then make it a little more
realistic.
Using a repeater on 11 meters is more like driving 5 MPH over the speed
limit. I guess you would rather have folks driving near hospitals with
1200
watt splatter boxes stopping hart monitors just so they can be heard.

-Dr.X



The whole point WAS.... Do you do it because it is ILLEGAL?
The whole point WAS.... Do you do it because it is ILLEGAL?

Nope, and I doubt you exceed the speed limit just because it's illegal too.
(and please don't say you've never exceeded the speed limit 'cuz I just
won't believe you).

Driving faster
than the speed limit allows - regardless if 5 or 100, linear amps, etc...
ALL are illegal, so is that why you do it?

Nope.

ANY analogy could be used in this
case.

You're right. I misread. My humble apologies on that.

IF it is illegal, it is illegal - regardless what the situation is
which is against the laws of the land.

So I've heard... *yawn*

As for comparing the damage done in
going 100 mph as opposed to a CB repeater... Maybe there isn't any
comparison in that regard, BUT again BOTH are illegal. No, I wouldn't want
people driving past Hospitals with 1200W splatter boxes,

Snip useless soapbox on your medical knowledge since you're not too stupid
to understand what was meant in the first place

Ok, to fix the 1200 watts into the hospital analogy, we'll forget that
situation and I'll give you one that you and I can both relate to better.

I live in an apartment complex. If you lived in the apartment next door to
me, would you rather put up with me kicking on a 1200 watt box on an indoor
dipole, or would it be better that I just use my 2 watt walkie talkie to
connect to a repeater so I can talk with my friends? I don't think I need to
explain what the hot box would do to your television reception (and possibly
reception on lots of other consumer level entertainment equipment).

And stop crying about "it's illegal!". If I want to get out, I'll get out
weather you like it or not. Personally, I think to choose to use the
repeater would be more responsible of me and respectful to you as my
neighbor.

But no matter, if
you're into illegal operations, nothing anyone else says will sit well wit
h
you. All I can say is - do it long enough, your turn will come.

I think I'll attract less of Uncle Charlie's attention if I use the repeater
and more if I use the 1200w amp, don't you?

-Dr.X

"M-Tech" wrote in message
...
Well then you made no point. I think everyone here is mature enough to
already know it's illegal. I don't recall reading anything in the thread
that said/argued otherwise.

Typically, things are illegal for a reason. I'm still listening to why a
repeater should be illegal on a CB freq....and a car going 100 mph ain't
gonna cut it :-)

Don

Hi M-Tech! How are ya?

Let me see if I can help you with that Don. You see, some hams take offense
when a common "CB'er" does something that might take some intelligence to
do. Most hams don't care that running an 11 meter repeater is illegal. They
care more that a CB'er might enjoy some of the capabilities that should be
reserved for a privileged few. The ego of the more common amateur radio
operator can seriously compete with some of the "channel masters" of the 11
meter band. Many of them break their own arms trying to pat themselves on
the back for being such a smart tech or because they bought such great
equipment. Let a CB'er build his own amp or transmitter and they're ready to
pounce. "Can't let the trailer trash get too smart, nooooo. They might
actually accomplish something. Wouldn't want that to happen."

Anyway, I hope this helps you to understand even a little bit about his
point (aside from "IT'S ILLEGAL!", that is).

-Dr.X

NO SPAM wrote:

"Jerry" wrote in message
...

http://www.kb8ygc.com/Repeater.pdf

This comes from www.copper.com "forums". Apparently, there is a

"repeater"

for the chicken band on the air. The link at the very top has pictures,
circuitry and everything! Is this not against the law? .

Jerry





IT MOST CERTAINLY IS...........

NS


where did you get this info that it is illegal? no flame just curious.

"jim" wrote in message
et...
NO SPAM wrote:

"Jerry" wrote in message
...

http://www.kb8ygc.com/Repeater.pdf

This comes from www.copper.com "forums". Apparently, there is a

"repeater"

for the chicken band on the air. The link at the very top has pictures,
circuitry and everything! Is this not against the law? .

Jerry





IT MOST CERTAINLY IS...........

NS


where did you get this info that it is illegal? no flame just curious.

quote
FCC: Part 95, RULE 19 - Remote Control Operations
{A} You MAY NOT operate a CB station transmitter by RADIO remote control.
{B} You MAY operate a CB transmitter by WIRELINE remote control IF you
obtain specific approval in writing from the FCC. To obtain FCC approval you
must show why you need to operate your station by wireline remote control.
Send your request and justification to:
FCC, Gettysburg, PA 17325.
If you receive FCC approval, you must keep the approval as part of your
station records (read Rule 27 on station records).
/quote

In other words, a repeater is just a radio remote controled station. Even if
you put the receiver (input) at one end of town and you get approval to wire
control the transmitter (output) at the other end of town, you are still
indirectly operating the transmiter by radio remote control (illegal). Sux,
don't it.

-Dr.X

Dr.X wrote:

"jim" wrote in message
et...

NO SPAM wrote:


"Jerry" wrote in message
. net...


http://www.kb8ygc.com/Repeater.pdf

This comes from www.copper.com "forums". Apparently, there is a

"repeater"


for the chicken band on the air. The link at the very top has pictures,
circuitry and everything! Is this not against the law? .

Jerry





IT MOST CERTAINLY IS...........

NS



where did you get this info that it is illegal? no flame just curious.


quote
FCC: Part 95, RULE 19 - Remote Control Operations
{A} You MAY NOT operate a CB station transmitter by RADIO remote control.
{B} You MAY operate a CB transmitter by WIRELINE remote control IF you
obtain specific approval in writing from the FCC. To obtain FCC approval you
must show why you need to operate your station by wireline remote control.
Send your request and justification to:
FCC, Gettysburg, PA 17325.
If you receive FCC approval, you must keep the approval as part of your
station records (read Rule 27 on station records).
/quote

In other words, a repeater is just a radio remote controled station. Even if
you put the receiver (input) at one end of town and you get approval to wire
control the transmitter (output) at the other end of town, you are still
indirectly operating the transmiter by radio remote control (illegal). Sux,
don't it.

-Dr.X


hmmm yeah it does. sort of squelches any innovation. thanx...

"jim" wrote in message
et...
Dr.X wrote:

"jim" wrote in message
et...

NO SPAM wrote:


"Jerry" wrote in message
. net...


http://www.kb8ygc.com/Repeater.pdf

This comes from www.copper.com "forums". Apparently, there is a

"repeater"


for the chicken band on the air. The link at the very top has
pictures,
circuitry and everything! Is this not against the law? .

Jerry





IT MOST CERTAINLY IS...........

NS



where did you get this info that it is illegal? no flame just curious.


quote
FCC: Part 95, RULE 19 - Remote Control Operations
{A} You MAY NOT operate a CB station transmitter by RADIO remote
control.
{B} You MAY operate a CB transmitter by WIRELINE remote control IF you
obtain specific approval in writing from the FCC. To obtain FCC approval
you
must show why you need to operate your station by wireline remote
control.
Send your request and justification to:
FCC, Gettysburg, PA 17325.
If you receive FCC approval, you must keep the approval as part of your
station records (read Rule 27 on station records).
/quote

In other words, a repeater is just a radio remote controled station.
Even if
you put the receiver (input) at one end of town and you get approval to
wire
control the transmitter (output) at the other end of town, you are still
indirectly operating the transmiter by radio remote control (illegal).
Sux,
don't it.

-Dr.X


hmmm yeah it does. sort of squelches any innovation. thanx...

Yeah it does. DA MAN IS KEEPIN' US DOWN! ;-P

-Dr.X

You'll just burn hours posting 8 times to tell us it's illegal.

My guess would be that a repeater has the sofistication and skill level to
operate/setup and is out of the TARGET that 11 meters was designed
for....the "push and talk" crowd. Other than it not fitting the agenda of a
"citizen band", I can't think of any other reason.

Don

"NO SPAM" wrote in message
rio.net...
Call the FCC and ask them, they're the ones who made the law, not me. I'm
not going to waste anymore time on this. It's illegal, I didn't make it
that
way, and I'm not going to burn hours to defend it.

NS

"M-Tech" wrote in message
...
Well then you made no point. I think everyone here is mature enough to
already know it's illegal. I don't recall reading anything in the thread
that said/argued otherwise.

Typically, things are illegal for a reason. I'm still listening to why a
repeater should be illegal on a CB freq....and a car going 100 mph ain't
gonna cut it :-)

Don

"NO SPAM" wrote in message
rio.net...
"Dr.X" wrote in message
...
"NO SPAM" wrote in message
erio.net...

"Dr.X" wrote in message
...
"Jerry" wrote in message
...
http://www.kb8ygc.com/Repeater.pdf

This comes from www.copper.com "forums". Apparently, there is
a
"repeater"
for the chicken band on the air. The link at the very top has
pictures,
circuitry and everything! Is this not against the law? .

Jerry

I've made 11 meter repeaters before. If you stay low keyed, you
can
get
away
with it for a very long time. Personally I think it's much better
than
running a bunch of heat to get out and you're not splattering the
crap
out
of your neighbors if you're accessing it from your home. Worked
great
with
a
HH too but I had to make the encoder inside a large mobile mic
since
I
couldn't fit it into the radio shack hh at the time.

-Dr.X



Do you also drive at 100 MPH because it's illegal to do so and
you've
done
it before? People who always break the rules are partially
responsible
for
yet more being imposed. Rules are made for a reason. And no, it
isn't
to
be
broken....

NS

If you're going to use that analogy, then make it a little more
realistic.
Using a repeater on 11 meters is more like driving 5 MPH over the
speed
limit. I guess you would rather have folks driving near hospitals with
1200
watt splatter boxes stopping hart monitors just so they can be heard.

-Dr.X



The whole point WAS.... Do you do it because it is ILLEGAL? Driving
faster
than the speed limit allows - regardless if 5 or 100, linear amps,
etc...
ALL are illegal, so is that why you do it? ANY analogy could be used in
this
case. IF it is illegal, it is illegal - regardless what the situation
is
which is against the laws of the land. As for comparing the damage
done
in
going 100 mph as opposed to a CB repeater... Maybe there isn't any
comparison in that regard, BUT again BOTH are illegal. No, I wouldn't
want
people driving past Hospitals with 1200W splatter boxes, silly
statement -
they're not legal anyhow. SO that analogy sucks as bad as you think
mine
did. Besides, they won't "stop" a heart monitor. Maybe interfere. A
"heart
monitor" won't "stop" the heart, it merely reads the heart rhythm and
allows
the staff to see how the patient is doing. RF in close proximity may
interfere with a Pacer, but I'm not so sure a 1200 watt radio going
down
the
road will do it. It is more like Microwave ovens up close, some other
forms
of RF at high density, like Radar System. Cell phones are even thought
to
do it - in some cases. I'm sure there are 1500 watt Ham stations within
proximity to some hospitals with no mention of problems. But no
matter,
if
you're into illegal operations, nothing anyone else says will sit well
with
you. All I can say is - do it long enough, your turn will come.

NS