I have a 3 month old 2004 Ford-25 p/u and if I turn my radio to AM or
my CB on,
I can hear the ignition noise in my engine and turn signals cause a
clicking, and when I put on brakes or turn on headlights is causes a
clicking noise. Teh ignition noise just about drwons out reception
completely. Ford says it is in all of their trucks and put a new radio
in for me but it is the same. Local service dept says they have no way
of knowing how to remedy the problem, and will have to wait till
enough people complain and a fix is found. Can anyone tell me what the
problem is? I have heard it may be either the fuel pump or the
alternator, but ford service says they don't know how to fix. Dearborn
will not answer my queries now. I am about to file a Lemon law
complaint with the attorney general of FL which will require them to
fix or replace the truck.
I love the truck as I have all my ford trucks but this is
flabergasting me. bob

"Dr Bob Parker" wrote in message
om...
I have a 3 month old 2004 Ford-25 p/u and if I turn my radio to AM or
my CB on,
I can hear the ignition noise in my engine and turn signals cause a
clicking, and when I put on brakes or turn on headlights is causes a
clicking noise. Teh ignition noise just about drwons out reception
completely. Ford says it is in all of their trucks and put a new radio
in for me but it is the same. Local service dept says they have no way
of knowing how to remedy the problem, and will have to wait till
enough people complain and a fix is found. Can anyone tell me what the
problem is? I have heard it may be either the fuel pump or the
alternator, but ford service says they don't know how to fix. Dearborn
will not answer my queries now. I am about to file a Lemon law
complaint with the attorney general of FL which will require them to
fix or replace the truck.
I love the truck as I have all my ford trucks but this is
flabergasting me. bob

Oh yeah? wait till you hear the ABS kick in I have read long ago and
cannot remember where of the problem being solved with noise filters
especially on the fuel pump. It seemed a drastic measure but solved the
poster's problem. I would first look into grounding for everything,
especially antennas. A good solid grounding scheme often cures or
dramatically reduces noise in automotive electronics. I also seriously
doubt that Ford would have installation practices that would cause their
installed factory radio to have noise, most factory systems are quiet. In
other words if it did it from the get go then I suspect something wrong,
like a bad harness ground. If this is the case then your effort will be
futile to reduce the noise in ANY am device.

Please repost your findings, I'll keep thinking. I LOVE automotive
electronics, maybe we can solve your problem!

Chad

On 1 Dec 2004 06:40:41 -0800, (Dr Bob Parker) wrote in
:

I have a 3 month old 2004 Ford-25 p/u and if I turn my radio to AM or
my CB on,
I can hear the ignition noise in my engine and turn signals cause a
clicking, and when I put on brakes or turn on headlights is causes a
clicking noise. Teh ignition noise just about drwons out reception
completely. Ford says it is in all of their trucks and put a new radio
in for me but it is the same. Local service dept says they have no way
of knowing how to remedy the problem, and will have to wait till
enough people complain and a fix is found. Can anyone tell me what the
problem is? I have heard it may be either the fuel pump or the
alternator, but ford service says they don't know how to fix. Dearborn
will not answer my queries now. I am about to file a Lemon law
complaint with the attorney general of FL which will require them to
fix or replace the truck.
I love the truck as I have all my ford trucks but this is
flabergasting me. bob


You will get similar symptoms if you lose one of the windings on the
alternator, or if you have a bad or failing diode in the regulator.
Most likely the latter. The engine will appear to run normally, but
the problem will eventually burn out the rest of your alternator and
possibly some of the electronics in the truck's electrical system. The
best way to test this is to hook the alternator to a scope and look
for a steady stream of spikes.







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On Wed, 1 Dec 2004 09:02:46 -0600, "Chad Wahls"
wrote:


"Dr Bob Parker" wrote in message
. com...
I have a 3 month old 2004 Ford-25 p/u and if I turn my radio to AM or
my CB on,
I can hear the ignition noise in my engine and turn signals cause a
clicking, and when I put on brakes or turn on headlights is causes a
clicking noise. Teh ignition noise just about drwons out reception
completely. Ford says it is in all of their trucks and put a new radio
in for me but it is the same. Local service dept says they have no way
of knowing how to remedy the problem, and will have to wait till
enough people complain and a fix is found. Can anyone tell me what the
problem is? I have heard it may be either the fuel pump or the
alternator, but ford service says they don't know how to fix. Dearborn
will not answer my queries now. I am about to file a Lemon law
complaint with the attorney general of FL which will require them to
fix or replace the truck.
I love the truck as I have all my ford trucks but this is
flabergasting me. bob

Oh yeah? wait till you hear the ABS kick in I have read long ago and
cannot remember where of the problem being solved with noise filters
especially on the fuel pump. It seemed a drastic measure but solved the
poster's problem. I would first look into grounding for everything,
especially antennas. A good solid grounding scheme often cures or
dramatically reduces noise in automotive electronics. I also seriously
doubt that Ford would have installation practices that would cause their
installed factory radio to have noise, most factory systems are quiet. In
other words if it did it from the get go then I suspect something wrong,
like a bad harness ground. If this is the case then your effort will be
futile to reduce the noise in ANY am device.

Please repost your findings, I'll keep thinking. I LOVE automotive
electronics, maybe we can solve your problem!

Chad


Chad;
Bad grounds can sometimes cause more than just noise on a radio.
My dad had an old Ford, that we found out, if you turned the turn
signal on and then stepped on the break the radio would come on,
without the key. We spent many hours as kids sitting in his car, foot
on the break listening to the radio.

"Chad Wahls" wrote in message ...
"Dr Bob Parker" wrote in message
om...
I have a 3 month old 2004 Ford-25 p/u and if I turn my radio to AM or
my CB on,
I can hear the ignition noise in my engine and turn signals cause a
clicking, and when I put on brakes or turn on headlights is causes a
clicking noise. Teh ignition noise just about drwons out reception
completely. Ford says it is in all of their trucks and put a new radio
in for me but it is the same. Local service dept says they have no way
of knowing how to remedy the problem, and will have to wait till
enough people complain and a fix is found. Can anyone tell me what the
problem is? I have heard it may be either the fuel pump or the
alternator, but ford service says they don't know how to fix. Dearborn
will not answer my queries now. I am about to file a Lemon law
complaint with the attorney general of FL which will require them to
fix or replace the truck.
I love the truck as I have all my ford trucks but this is
flabergasting me. bob

Oh yeah? wait till you hear the ABS kick in I have read long ago and
cannot remember where of the problem being solved with noise filters
especially on the fuel pump. It seemed a drastic measure but solved the
poster's problem. I would first look into grounding for everything,
especially antennas. A good solid grounding scheme often cures or
dramatically reduces noise in automotive electronics. I also seriously
doubt that Ford would have installation practices that would cause their
installed factory radio to have noise, most factory systems are quiet. In
other words if it did it from the get go then I suspect something wrong,
like a bad harness ground. If this is the case then your effort will be
futile to reduce the noise in ANY am device.

Please repost your findings, I'll keep thinking. I LOVE automotive
electronics, maybe we can solve your problem!

Chad

I will let you know if a solution is found. thanks for your info.
bob

"Lancer" wrote in message
ews.com...
On Wed, 1 Dec 2004 09:02:46 -0600, "Chad Wahls"
wrote:


"Dr Bob Parker" wrote in message
.com...
I have a 3 month old 2004 Ford-25 p/u and if I turn my radio to AM or
my CB on,
I can hear the ignition noise in my engine and turn signals cause a
clicking, and when I put on brakes or turn on headlights is causes a
clicking noise. Teh ignition noise just about drwons out reception
completely. Ford says it is in all of their trucks and put a new radio
in for me but it is the same. Local service dept says they have no way
of knowing how to remedy the problem, and will have to wait till
enough people complain and a fix is found. Can anyone tell me what the
problem is? I have heard it may be either the fuel pump or the
alternator, but ford service says they don't know how to fix. Dearborn
will not answer my queries now. I am about to file a Lemon law
complaint with the attorney general of FL which will require them to
fix or replace the truck.
I love the truck as I have all my ford trucks but this is
flabergasting me. bob

Oh yeah? wait till you hear the ABS kick in I have read long ago and
cannot remember where of the problem being solved with noise filters
especially on the fuel pump. It seemed a drastic measure but solved the
poster's problem. I would first look into grounding for everything,
especially antennas. A good solid grounding scheme often cures or
dramatically reduces noise in automotive electronics. I also seriously
doubt that Ford would have installation practices that would cause their
installed factory radio to have noise, most factory systems are quiet. In
other words if it did it from the get go then I suspect something wrong,
like a bad harness ground. If this is the case then your effort will be
futile to reduce the noise in ANY am device.

Please repost your findings, I'll keep thinking. I LOVE automotive
electronics, maybe we can solve your problem!

Chad


Chad;
Bad grounds can sometimes cause more than just noise on a radio.
My dad had an old Ford, that we found out, if you turned the turn
signal on and then stepped on the break the radio would come on,
without the key. We spent many hours as kids sitting in his car, foot
on the break listening to the radio.

Would the lights get brighter as you turned the radio up and flash to the
beat

Chad

On Wed, 01 Dec 2004 16:04:50 -0600, itoldyouiamnotiamnotgeorge
wrote:

Lancer wrote in
news.com:

On Wed, 1 Dec 2004 09:02:46 -0600, "Chad Wahls"
wrote:


"Dr Bob Parker" wrote in message
e.com...
I have a 3 month old 2004 Ford-25 p/u and if I turn my radio to AM or
my CB on,
I can hear the ignition noise in my engine and turn signals cause a
clicking, and when I put on brakes or turn on headlights is causes a
clicking noise. Teh ignition noise just about drwons out reception
completely. Ford says it is in all of their trucks and put a new
radio in for me but it is the same. Local service dept says they
have no way of knowing how to remedy the problem, and will have to
wait till enough people complain and a fix is found. Can anyone tell
me what the problem is? I have heard it may be either the fuel pump
or the alternator, but ford service says they don't know how to fix.
Dearborn will not answer my queries now. I am about to file a Lemon
law complaint with the attorney general of FL which will require
them to fix or replace the truck.
I love the truck as I have all my ford trucks but this is
flabergasting me. bob

Oh yeah? wait till you hear the ABS kick in I have read long ago
and cannot remember where of the problem being solved with noise
filters especially on the fuel pump. It seemed a drastic measure but
solved the poster's problem. I would first look into grounding for
everything, especially antennas. A good solid grounding scheme often
cures or dramatically reduces noise in automotive electronics. I also
seriously doubt that Ford would have installation practices that would
cause their installed factory radio to have noise, most factory
systems are quiet. In other words if it did it from the get go then I
suspect something wrong, like a bad harness ground. If this is the
case then your effort will be futile to reduce the noise in ANY am
device.

Please repost your findings, I'll keep thinking. I LOVE automotive
electronics, maybe we can solve your problem!

Chad


Chad;
Bad grounds can sometimes cause more than just noise on a radio.
My dad had an old Ford, that we found out, if you turned the turn
signal on and then stepped on the break the radio would come on,
without the key. We spent many hours as kids sitting in his car, foot
on the break listening to the radio.



hey einstein it is spelled brake, you illiterate assjuice.
Sure enough, thanks for the correction.

Ask Ford to replace the alternator.
Otherwise, head to a stereo store where
they know how to get the whine out of
a system. My 2000 F-150 has no such
problem.
Good luck,
333 Springfield MO

"Got RF?"

Hello Dr Bob Parker:

This sounds like a really bad case of RFI (Radio Frequency Interference)
over and beyond the normal noise herd in these trucks.

Ignition noises are RF Energy from the ignition system that are induced
into the wiring and radiated into the air. The factory supplied bypass
capacitors work really well to suppress these noises and interference.
The Ignition noises will sound like a poping type noise and will
increase with the engine RPM's.

Alternator noises come from the diodes in the alternator turning off and
generating RF Energy. The alternator noise makes a whinning type of
noise, that will increase in pitch when the engine RPM's increase.
A Capacitor (.1 uF at 50 VDC) connected to the alternators output
terminal will help reduce the alternator noises.

The Fuel Pump in Fords is nortius for making RF Noises. And there are
fixes for it from Ford. The inside the gas tank fuel pumps can be made
to have a significantly reduced noise. Wrapping stranded wire around a
plastic gas tank, and ground the turns of wire to the tracks chassie and
frame will help. Adding in a bypass capacitor between the positive and
negative wires to the pump (as close to the pump as possible will also
help. Adding a choke in the positive wire (wiring wrapped around a
ferrit snap closed core (available at Radio Shack) will also help.


RFI needs 3 things to exist.
1- A Generator, something to generate the RF Noise, the RF Noise can be
induced into the wiring or radiated into the air (or both) where the
antenna receives it.

2- A path needs to exist so that the RF Energy can be transferred from
the generator to the receiver.

3- A receiver needs to hear the RF Noises that are interference.

Its is best to remove or attenuate the RF Noise or energy at the source.
But this is much easier said than done. But in many cases if you can
remove the path or add a filter to the receiver the RF Noises can be
attunated to a acceptable level.

From your discription this RFI or RF Noise is way more than experenced
by others. It maybe possible that the factory did not install the noise
suppresion capacitors in the ingition system. Maybe a local Automotive
Electrial Shop may help you out there. But to me it sound slike a really
bad case of noises.

You didn't tell us any thing of your installation, what radio, how it is
wired, antenna type, how is it installed what the SWR?


This was taken from one of the sites he
"Anyone using a ham radio or C.B. in their Explorer has most likely
heard the effects of RFI. The interference sounds like a high ambient
noise level and the receiver possibly shows many S-units of signal
strength even when there is no one transmitting. The in-tank mounted
electric fuel pump is the source of this problem.

Fortunately Ford has a fix for this problem which is covered under the
original warranty. If the truck is out of warranty you can get the parts
and do the job yourself or have it performed at a shop. The Service
Bulletin that covers this problem is # 9117-5. The part you need is a
Filter Kit, Ford Part # E7PZ9B357A.

Although the addition of the filter did cure about 90% of the problem
some interference is still noticeable on a few of the Ham Radio bands.
Even so, it sure sounds much better then before the fix.

Additional info from Pat Freeman:

I was having fuel pump noise and saw the TSB and part number listed in
the tech tips section. I gave these to my dealer and he let me know that
these were for vehicles up to 1999. There is some updated information
that we all might benefit from

I have a 2001 Sport Trac and TSB # 01-07-03 is for installation of a
noise suppressor in the fuel tank, Part # F1PZ 18B925 A. "

Heres a few web sites that might help.

http://www.arrl.org/tis/info/rficar.html
http://popularmechanics.com/automoti...e/index3.phtml
http://www.sacskyranch.com/altnoise.htm
http://www.tessco.com/products/displ...&subgroupId=65

Jay in the Mojave

Dr Bob Parker wrote:

I have a 3 month old 2004 Ford-25 p/u and if I turn my radio to AM or
my CB on,
I can hear the ignition noise in my engine and turn signals cause a
clicking, and when I put on brakes or turn on headlights is causes a
clicking noise. Teh ignition noise just about drwons out reception
completely. Ford says it is in all of their trucks and put a new radio
in for me but it is the same. Local service dept says they have no way
of knowing how to remedy the problem, and will have to wait till
enough people complain and a fix is found. Can anyone tell me what the
problem is? I have heard it may be either the fuel pump or the
alternator, but ford service says they don't know how to fix. Dearborn
will not answer my queries now. I am about to file a Lemon law
complaint with the attorney general of FL which will require them to
fix or replace the truck.
I love the truck as I have all my ford trucks but this is
flabergasting me. bob

Try fitting a ferrite Ring on the main feed cable. Job fixed.

"Dr Bob Parker" wrote in message
om...
I have a 3 month old 2004 Ford-25 p/u and if I turn my radio to AM or
my CB on,
I can hear the ignition noise in my engine and turn signals cause a
clicking, and when I put on brakes or turn on headlights is causes a
clicking noise. Teh ignition noise just about drwons out reception
completely. Ford says it is in all of their trucks and put a new radio
in for me but it is the same. Local service dept says they have no way
of knowing how to remedy the problem, and will have to wait till
enough people complain and a fix is found. Can anyone tell me what the
problem is? I have heard it may be either the fuel pump or the
alternator, but ford service says they don't know how to fix. Dearborn
will not answer my queries now. I am about to file a Lemon law
complaint with the attorney general of FL which will require them to
fix or replace the truck.
I love the truck as I have all my ford trucks but this is
flabergasting me. bob