As most of you know, there has been some question as to the legality
of Roger Beeps on CB radio. Some have claimed that they are legal,
while others have had some doubts. There are no FCC rules which
specifically allow them, and very few radios come equipped with them.

The banter back and forth has not resolved the issue as it was based
purely on speculation and lacked any real facts. So, I decided to got
straight to the authority on the subject, and wrote to the FCC for a
clarification.

I have finally received a response to the question, and with my hat in
my hand, I must now admit that I was wrong about Roger beep use. It
would seem that the FCC is ok with roger beeps as long as the radio
was not modified to install it (External units only) and that when
using them, they are used in accordance with their intended function
(As an ETS signal). Deliberately keying just to make the beep noise
would be considered an unauthorized use.

The text of the actual response from the FCC follows:

From: FCCInfo
To:
Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 3:26 PM
Subject: PROBLEM01089854 - Rule Clarification


You are receiving this email in response to your inquiry to the FCC.

Thanks for contacting the FCC Consumer Center in Gettysburg PA.

In the technical (equipment) aspect, proper and reasonable use of the
roger-beep feature does not violate FCC rules, when such feature is in
compliance with CB Rule 9 as in the following excerpt:

s 95.409 (CB Rule 9) What equipment may I use at my CB station?

(a) You must use an FCC certificated CB transmitter at your CB station.
You can identify an FCC certificated transmitter by the certification label
placed on it by the manufacturer . . .

(b) You must not make, or have made, any internal modification to a
certificated CB transmitter . . . Any internal modification to a
certificated CB transmitter cancels the certification, and use of such a
transmitter voids your authority to operate the station.


In the operational aspect, improper and unreasonable practices such as
keying the mike solely for the purpose of activating the roger-beep,
particularly repeated keying, would likely meet the prohibited communication
sited in the subparagraphs (6) and/or (7) excerpts below:

s 95.413 (CB Rule 13) What communications are prohibited?

(a) You must not use a CB station--

(6) To transmit music, whistling, sound effects or any material to amuse
or entertain;

(7) To transmit any sound effect solely to attract attention;

Thank You
TSR43
888-225-5322



Rep Number : TSR43



Dave
"Sandbagger"

From: (Dave=A0Hall)
As most of you know, there has been some

question as to the legality of Roger Beeps on

CB radio.

There has never been any question as to the legality of roger beeps by
anyone, cber or hammie, other than yourself.

Some have claimed that they are legal,


Everyone that chimed in on the issue had tried telling you roger beeps
were legal.


while

others have had some doubts.



Your need to lie about it at this point in your goof is quite telling.
No one expressed doubt about this in the group, not one single person,
except you. But you go on telling yourself that you had these imaginary
supporters, as your ego apparently demands it.


There are no FCC rules which specifically

allow them, and very few radios come

equipped with them.

The banter back and forth has not resolved

the issue as it was based purely on

speculation and lacked any real facts.


Wrong, that was your position that was based on nothing but personal
speculation. Again, you were the only one that expressed difficulty with
this issue. Stop lying and saying others supported your incorrect
assertations, as none did.

So, I decided to got straight to the authority on
the subject, and wrote to the FCC for a

clarification.

I have finally received a response to the

question, and with my hat in my hand, I must

now admit that I was wrong about Roger beep
use.


Apology accepted.


David T. Hall Jr.
N3CVJ

On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 08:18:46 -0500 Dave Hall wrote:

As most of you know, there has been some question as to the legality
of Roger Beeps on CB radio. Some have claimed that they are legal,
while others have had some doubts. There are no FCC rules which
specifically allow them, and very few radios come equipped with them.

I believe it's been stated in this group by a number of persons that "roger
beep" is ILLEGAL.
It has also been pointed that internal mods are also illegal.
This is one of the reasons that radios sold as ham radios that are converted
over, are illegal.
As it is necessary to modify the internal workings.
IOW, removing the screws from the case may void the certification.
This does not mean that minor repairs and tuning are illegal.

You state that there is no rule which forbids the use of "Roger beep".
How very wrong.
Within the very body of the material you are given with a new unit, it
clearly states that practically any item which is NOT standard voice audio,
is ILLEGAL.
With the exception of morse code.
This includes singing, whistling, and other noises designed to be a
nuisance.
"Roger Beep" is only legal at the END of a transmission as you release the
key.

On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 10:29:27 -0500, (I
AmnotGeorgeBush) wrote:

From: (Dave*Hall)
As most of you know, there has been some

question as to the legality of Roger Beeps on

CB radio.

There has never been any question as to the legality of roger beeps by
anyone, cber or hammie, other than yourself.

Some have claimed that they are legal,


Everyone that chimed in on the issue had tried telling you roger beeps
were legal.

No, not everyone. There was no definitive rule that specifically
allowed them. Therefore the claim that they were legal was based on
pure speculation only.

But it's water under the bridge now. The FCC has spoken.

Dave
"Sandbagger"

On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 12:59:24 -0500, Dave Hall
wrote in :

On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 10:29:27 -0500, (I
AmnotGeorgeBush) wrote:

From: (Dave*Hall)
As most of you know, there has been some

question as to the legality of Roger Beeps on

CB radio.

There has never been any question as to the legality of roger beeps by
anyone, cber or hammie, other than yourself.

Some have claimed that they are legal,


Everyone that chimed in on the issue had tried telling you roger beeps
were legal.

No, not everyone. There was no definitive rule that specifically
allowed them. Therefore the claim that they were legal was based on
pure speculation only.


There's no definitive rule that allows chrome knobs and black paint on
CB radios, either. The problem is your warped logic, Dave -- absence
of evidence does -not- constitute proof of the opposite. When are you
going to realize this fundamental flaw in your thought process?






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Frank Gilliland wrote:
On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 12:59:24 -0500, Dave Hall
wrote in :


On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 10:29:27 -0500, (I
AmnotGeorgeBush) wrote:


From: (Dave Hall)

As most of you know, there has been some

question as to the legality of Roger Beeps on

CB radio.

There has never been any question as to the legality of roger beeps by
anyone, cber or hammie, other than yourself.


Some have claimed that they are legal,


Everyone that chimed in on the issue had tried telling you roger beeps
were legal.

No, not everyone. There was no definitive rule that specifically
allowed them. Therefore the claim that they were legal was based on
pure speculation only.



There's no definitive rule that allows chrome knobs and black paint on
CB radios, either. The problem is your warped logic, Dave -- absence
of evidence does -not- constitute proof of the opposite. When are you
going to realize this fundamental flaw in your thought process?






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When are you two going to give it a rest? You are both radio intelligent
but seem to enjoy the nonsense that is akin to the george & doug vs
steve/shark/randy crap that is on this board.

jim wrote:
but seem to enjoy the nonsense that is akin to the george & doug vs
steve/shark/randy crap that is on this board.

Sorry man. Fell free to kill-filter me if what I say bothers you. I've
filtered some google **** but it ain't over, Jim.

It's the love of the common man. ($1 Todd)

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"Richard" wrote:
"Roger Beep" is only legal at the END of a transmission as you release
the key.

So much for my digital -wish I was in Dixie-. g

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On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 19:57:24 -0500, jim wrote
in :

snip
When are you two going to give it a rest? You are both radio intelligent
but seem to enjoy the nonsense that is akin to the george & doug vs
steve/shark/randy crap that is on this board.


I gotta agree with Stevo on this one, Jim. In the jargon of Bush: We
have resolve and we will prevail at any cost. BTW, have you registered
for the draft yet?





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On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 12:03:09 -0800, Frank Gilliland
wrote:

No, not everyone. There was no definitive rule that specifically
allowed them. Therefore the claim that they were legal was based on
pure speculation only.


There's no definitive rule that allows chrome knobs and black paint on
CB radios, either. The problem is your warped logic, Dave -- absence
of evidence does -not- constitute proof of the opposite. When are you
going to realize this fundamental flaw in your thought process?

So you never believed that noise toys were illegal? Could not the use
of a Roger Beep not be addressed in 95.412 and 95.413?

Dave
"Sandbagger"