jim wrote:
K7MEM wrote:

jim wrote:

K7ME


They may have changed the tests since I took mine, but the VE
stations have
a lot of leway in creating their tests. The only way to know for
sure is to
ask. Each time I went it only cost $6.45 and I could take as many
test as
I wanted, each time. So I did. I took the Tech, General, and 13 WPM
in one
sitting and the Advanced, Extra, and the 20 WPM in another.


Where does that $6.45 go? Is there accountability?



In most cases, there is probably some accountability. The main reason for
the charge is to recover the cost of the materials used in administering
the tests. Prices vary from testing station to testing station depending
on what they need to provide the service. The VEs donate their time to
administer the tests and file the necessary paperwork, but do not have
to provide the funding.

Hmmmm. Without having to Google for the answer I figured to ask an
amateur for answers to the fee accounting. Price variances and
accounting probabilities makes for an ideal situation for greed.

There is a VE, on another part of this thread, that explains it in more
detail. But, the returns from this kind of venture would be minimal.
I don't think anyone could make any real money trying to scam this
one. Even the FCC gave up on running the testing because they were
losing money and couldn't support the personnel required. Now they
still control the whole thing, but with minimum cost.

--
Martin E. Meserve - K7MEM
http://www.k7mem.com
(remove _nospam_ from my email to reply)

"K7MEM" wrote in message
...


jim wrote:
K7MEM wrote:

jim wrote:

K7ME


They may have changed the tests since I took mine, but the VE stations
have
a lot of leway in creating their tests. The only way to know for sure
is to
ask. Each time I went it only cost $6.45 and I could take as many test
as
I wanted, each time. So I did. I took the Tech, General, and 13 WPM in
one
sitting and the Advanced, Extra, and the 20 WPM in another.


Where does that $6.45 go? Is there accountability?



In most cases, there is probably some accountability. The main reason
for
the charge is to recover the cost of the materials used in administering
the tests. Prices vary from testing station to testing station depending
on what they need to provide the service. The VEs donate their time to
administer the tests and file the necessary paperwork, but do not have
to provide the funding.

Hmmmm. Without having to Google for the answer I figured to ask an
amateur for answers to the fee accounting. Price variances and accounting
probabilities makes for an ideal situation for greed.

There is a VE, on another part of this thread, that explains it in more
detail. But, the returns from this kind of venture would be minimal.
I don't think anyone could make any real money trying to scam this
one. Even the FCC gave up on running the testing because they were
losing money and couldn't support the personnel required. Now they
still control the whole thing, but with minimum cost.

--
Martin E. Meserve - K7MEM
http://www.k7mem.com
(remove _nospam_ from my email to reply)

I don't know where they get greed from. A good part of the time, there isn't
much left over worth fighting for. As I said, if the VEs traveled any
distance, the little bit left over wouldn't be worth a crap as far as
reimbursement for gas..... Not at today's prices especially.

IF you're going into testing for "profit" which is not allowed, may the Lord
bless you, because you'll need it. BELIEVE ME - KEEP YOUR DAY JOB.........
Getting "big" bucks from VE Exams????? Give me a break........... IF they
are - to the point of fighting over it, then something sounds wrong.

cl

On Sat, 5 Mar 2005 22:34:16 -0500, "cl" wrote:


"Vinnie S." wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 05 Mar 2005 17:50:12 -0500, jim wrote:

K7ME

They may have changed the tests since I took mine, but the VE stations
have
a lot of leway in creating their tests. The only way to know for sure is
to
ask. Each time I went it only cost $6.45 and I could take as many test
as
I wanted, each time. So I did. I took the Tech, General, and 13 WPM in
one
sitting and the Advanced, Extra, and the 20 WPM in another.


Where does that $6.45 go? Is there accountability?


$14.00 now.

Vinnie S.

Yes, there is accountability. You must register each and every examinee. The
VEs get to keep a percentage, the rest goes to the VEC. The VECs and FCC
know exactly how much you've collected. Put it this way, no fees, no
license. Even if the person fails, a portion of the money he/she paid for
that test is turned in just as though they'd passed.


There must be accountability. They asked me for 2 picture IDs

Vinnie S.

cl wrote:
"K7MEM" wrote in message
...


jim wrote:

K7MEM wrote:


jim wrote:


K7ME


They may have changed the tests since I took mine, but the VE stations
have
a lot of leway in creating their tests. The only way to know for sure
is to
ask. Each time I went it only cost $6.45 and I could take as many test
as
I wanted, each time. So I did. I took the Tech, General, and 13 WPM in
one
sitting and the Advanced, Extra, and the 20 WPM in another.


Where does that $6.45 go? Is there accountability?



In most cases, there is probably some accountability. The main reason
for
the charge is to recover the cost of the materials used in administering
the tests. Prices vary from testing station to testing station depending
on what they need to provide the service. The VEs donate their time to
administer the tests and file the necessary paperwork, but do not have
to provide the funding.


Hmmmm. Without having to Google for the answer I figured to ask an
amateur for answers to the fee accounting. Price variances and accounting
probabilities makes for an ideal situation for greed.

There is a VE, on another part of this thread, that explains it in more
detail. But, the returns from this kind of venture would be minimal.
I don't think anyone could make any real money trying to scam this
one. Even the FCC gave up on running the testing because they were
losing money and couldn't support the personnel required. Now they
still control the whole thing, but with minimum cost.

--
Martin E. Meserve - K7MEM
http://www.k7mem.com
(remove _nospam_ from my email to reply)


I don't know where they get greed from. A good part of the time, there isn't
much left over worth fighting for. As I said, if the VEs traveled any
distance, the little bit left over wouldn't be worth a crap as far as
reimbursement for gas..... Not at today's prices especially.

IF you're going into testing for "profit" which is not allowed, may the Lord
bless you, because you'll need it. BELIEVE ME - KEEP YOUR DAY JOB.........
Getting "big" bucks from VE Exams????? Give me a break........... IF they
are - to the point of fighting over it, then something sounds wrong.

cl


My point cl is that there is an avenue for fraud as there seems to be
little oversight concerning the intake of funds from the interested
public. Do you have a link where one could read up on how the VE's
should conduct the business end of examinations?
As an aside what are your call letters?
73, Jim.

I took a little bit different approach. First of all, I learned the letters
A to Z and 1 through 0. Next, I had a computer generate the letters from A
to Z and 1 through 0 at 20, 25, and 30WPM. After about 3 minutes at each
speed, I had the computer generate random characters at 25WPM. I eliminated
one step of the learning process by not trying to write the characters down;
this allowed my brain to have the sounds imprinted in me.
After this, I took the advice of a 30WPM fellow...........as I would be
driving down the highway, I would pronounce the names of the different road
signs in Morse Code. I would only do this by myself, so that somebody
wouldn't have me carted off to some unpleasant place!
Anyway, two weeks later, I took my 5WPM test and passed it. Five weeks after
that, I took my 13WPM test. After using this learning technique, the 13WPM
test sounded like it was going in slow motion............my copy speed was
more in the 18WPM range, but not quite 20WPM. Give this technique a try and
you will be amazed at the results. Good luck!

Pete

I took my 5WPM test two weeks later............5 weeks after that, I passed
my 13WPM test for the General class license.
"Señor Sombra" wrote in message
news:nW_Vd.43987$xt.16268@fed1read07...
Vinnie from one who has taught Morse code to many students:

FOR MANY -- studying EVERY day for 15 to 30 minutes is successful. Leaving
long periods between study sessions is usually counter-productive.
Studying for long periods at a session - frazzles many a brain.

Most people's problems with the code stem from trying to learn it too fast
without sufficient drilling before they move on to each new letter. The
average person needs about 30 hours of study and practice on the code to
hit 5 wpm. Now this is an average. Some will take longer and some will
take less." So a half hour in the morning, a half hour in the evening and
in a month -- you should have it.

Good Luck and kudos on your dedication -- it will be worth while.


--
Lamont Cranston



"Vinnie S." wrote in message
...
On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 06:52:49 -0700, K7MEM
wrote:


I am using morse academy. I have passed the practice tests for tech, no
problem.
The General, I got 19 out of 35, without once even looking at a book. If
I could
somehow pass morse and get 7 more correct answers in general. Otherwise,
I will
just wait. Thanks !

Vinnie S.

Like Pete, I suggest similar... DO road signs, hell... do the shampoo bottle
label, ingredients and all - in code - as taking a shower. I do not suggest
any more than 15 minutes a day, it can drive you bonkers or bore you - which
ever out look you take. Read a magazine in "code". You'll be humming right
along before you know it.
cl

"Pete KE9OA" wrote in message
...
I took a little bit different approach. First of all, I learned the letters
A to Z and 1 through 0. Next, I had a computer generate the letters from A
to Z and 1 through 0 at 20, 25, and 30WPM. After about 3 minutes at each
speed, I had the computer generate random characters at 25WPM. I eliminated
one step of the learning process by not trying to write the characters
down; this allowed my brain to have the sounds imprinted in me.
After this, I took the advice of a 30WPM fellow...........as I would be
driving down the highway, I would pronounce the names of the different
road signs in Morse Code. I would only do this by myself, so that somebody
wouldn't have me carted off to some unpleasant place!
Anyway, two weeks later, I took my 5WPM test and passed it. Five weeks
after that, I took my 13WPM test. After using this learning technique, the
13WPM test sounded like it was going in slow motion............my copy
speed was more in the 18WPM range, but not quite 20WPM. Give this
technique a try and you will be amazed at the results. Good luck!

Pete

I took my 5WPM test two weeks later............5 weeks after that, I
passed my 13WPM test for the General class license.
"Señor Sombra" wrote in message
news:nW_Vd.43987$xt.16268@fed1read07...
Vinnie from one who has taught Morse code to many students:

FOR MANY -- studying EVERY day for 15 to 30 minutes is successful.
Leaving long periods between study sessions is usually
counter-productive. Studying for long periods at a session - frazzles
many a brain.

Most people's problems with the code stem from trying to learn it too
fast without sufficient drilling before they move on to each new letter.
The average person needs about 30 hours of study and practice on the code
to hit 5 wpm. Now this is an average. Some will take longer and some
will take less." So a half hour in the morning, a half hour in the
evening and in a month -- you should have it.

Good Luck and kudos on your dedication -- it will be worth while.


--
Lamont Cranston



"Vinnie S." wrote in message
...
On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 06:52:49 -0700, K7MEM
wrote:


I am using morse academy. I have passed the practice tests for tech, no
problem.
The General, I got 19 out of 35, without once even looking at a book. If
I could
somehow pass morse and get 7 more correct answers in general. Otherwise,
I will
just wait. Thanks !

Vinnie S.

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