I have about half the alphabet down at 5 WPM. But I don't think I am going to
have enough time. Test is next Sat. I think I need more practice.

Vinnie S.

I have about half the alphabet down at 5 WPM. But I don't think I am going to
have enough time. Test is next Sat. I think I need more practice.

Don't it suck that the rest of the world takes the provisions of WRC'03
to hand quickly, while our own country takes it's good old time, while
blessing BPL. Something that all the other countries have said "no" to.

This from the country that drives on a parkway and parks on a driveway!

On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 02:14:36 -0500, Scott wrote:

I have about half the alphabet down at 5 WPM. But I don't think I am going to
have enough time. Test is next Sat. I think I need more practice.

Don't it suck that the rest of the world takes the provisions of WRC'03
to hand quickly, while our own country takes it's good old time, while
blessing BPL. Something that all the other countries have said "no" to.

This from the country that drives on a parkway and parks on a driveway!


It's doesn't matter to me. I won't use it, and have no interest in it. You can
learn it fairly easily at 5 wpm. Just not in the time I have to pass the test. I
probablt need closer to a month of practice. I have only had about 1 solid week.

What they should do is make it optional for code people, and give a real test.
Then you can only transmit code if you take the test. But I don't want to wait
that long.

Vinnie S.

From: (Scott)
Vincent parted with:
I have about half the alphabet down at 5
WPM. But I don't think I am going to have
enough time. Test is next Sat. I think I need
more practice.

(Don't it suck that the rest of the world takes the provisions of WRC'03
to hand quickly, while our own country takes it's good old time, while
blessing BPL. Something that all the other countries have said "no" to.
This from the country that drives on a parkway and parks on a driveway!
)




..where we keep thousands of dollars worth of vehicles in our driveways
and fill our garages with junk.

Vinnie S. wrote:
I have about half the alphabet down at 5 WPM. But I don't think I am going to
have enough time. Test is next Sat. I think I need more practice.

Vinnie S.

There is no substitute for being prepared, but take the test anyway.

Years ago, the only way to pass the CW tests was to have one full
minute of solid copy on your copy sheet. Now, you can pass the CW
test two ways. If you have one full minute of solid copy, your done.
However if you don't, you can take the 10 question test. You may have
copied enough characters to guess at the answers. The process of
elimination will help you on many of them. Get a copy of Morse
Academy, if you don't already have it. The built in sample tests
are exactly the same as the real test. If I remember correctly, you
only have to get 7 out of 10 to pass. The odds are in your favor.

I have seen people pass the 13 and 20 WPM tests with only a smattering
of characters on their copy sheet. For me, The key was to be able to
copy a little bit faster than the required speed. That way I was
comfortable with the testing speed. Some people come by CW naturally,
but for me, it took a long time to get to the needed speeds. But
then, no one has to worry about the 13 and 20 WPM tests any more.

Just try to be calm and realize that it's not the end of the world
if you fail. Get the certificates for the tests you do pass and
go back the next testing session. Some testing stations will even
let you try again, after a short rest to collect your thoughts.

And don't discount using CW, when you finally get your license. It's
a fun mode to use, just like any other mode. The more you use it,
the better you get at it, and the more fun you have. And that's what
it's all about, having fun.

--
Martin E. Meserve - K7MEM
http://www.k7mem.com
(remove _nospam_ from my email to reply)

On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 06:52:49 -0700, K7MEM wrote:


Years ago, the only way to pass the CW tests was to have one full
minute of solid copy on your copy sheet. Now, you can pass the CW
test two ways. If you have one full minute of solid copy, your done.
However if you don't, you can take the 10 question test. You may have
copied enough characters to guess at the answers. The process of
elimination will help you on many of them. Get a copy of Morse
Academy, if you don't already have it. The built in sample tests
are exactly the same as the real test. If I remember correctly, you
only have to get 7 out of 10 to pass. The odds are in your favor.

I have seen people pass the 13 and 20 WPM tests with only a smattering
of characters on their copy sheet. For me, The key was to be able to
copy a little bit faster than the required speed. That way I was
comfortable with the testing speed. Some people come by CW naturally,
but for me, it took a long time to get to the needed speeds. But
then, no one has to worry about the 13 and 20 WPM tests any more.

Just try to be calm and realize that it's not the end of the world
if you fail. Get the certificates for the tests you do pass and
go back the next testing session. Some testing stations will even
let you try again, after a short rest to collect your thoughts.

And don't discount using CW, when you finally get your license. It's
a fun mode to use, just like any other mode. The more you use it,
the better you get at it, and the more fun you have. And that's what
it's all about, having fun.


I am using morse academy. I have passed the practice tests for tech, no problem.
The General, I got 19 out of 35, without once even looking at a book. If I could
somehow pass morse and get 7 more correct answers in general. Otherwise, I will
just wait. Thanks !

Vinnie S.

Vinnie from one who has taught Morse code to many students:

FOR MANY -- studying EVERY day for 15 to 30 minutes is successful. Leaving
long periods between study sessions is usually counter-productive. Studying
for long periods at a session - frazzles many a brain.

Most people's problems with the code stem from trying to learn it too fast
without sufficient drilling before they move on to each new letter. The
average person needs about 30 hours of study and practice on the code to hit
5 wpm. Now this is an average. Some will take longer and some will take
less." So a half hour in the morning, a half hour in the evening and in a
month -- you should have it.

Good Luck and kudos on your dedication -- it will be worth while.


--
Lamont Cranston



"Vinnie S." wrote in message
...
On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 06:52:49 -0700, K7MEM
wrote:


I am using morse academy. I have passed the practice tests for tech, no
problem.
The General, I got 19 out of 35, without once even looking at a book. If I
could
somehow pass morse and get 7 more correct answers in general. Otherwise, I
will
just wait. Thanks !

Vinnie S.

"K7MEM" wrote in message
...
Vinnie S. wrote:
I have about half the alphabet down at 5 WPM. But I don't think I am
going to
have enough time. Test is next Sat. I think I need more practice. Vinnie
S.

There is no substitute for being prepared, but take the test anyway.

Years ago, the only way to pass the CW tests was to have one full
minute of solid copy on your copy sheet. Now, you can pass the CW
test two ways. If you have one full minute of solid copy, your done.
However if you don't, you can take the 10 question test. You may have
copied enough characters to guess at the answers. The process of
elimination will help you on many of them. Get a copy of Morse
Academy, if you don't already have it. The built in sample tests
are exactly the same as the real test. If I remember correctly, you
only have to get 7 out of 10 to pass. The odds are in your favor.

I have seen people pass the 13 and 20 WPM tests with only a smattering
of characters on their copy sheet. For me, The key was to be able to
copy a little bit faster than the required speed. That way I was
comfortable with the testing speed. Some people come by CW naturally,
but for me, it took a long time to get to the needed speeds. But
then, no one has to worry about the 13 and 20 WPM tests any more.

Just try to be calm and realize that it's not the end of the world
if you fail. Get the certificates for the tests you do pass and
go back the next testing session. Some testing stations will even
let you try again, after a short rest to collect your thoughts.

And don't discount using CW, when you finally get your license. It's
a fun mode to use, just like any other mode. The more you use it,
the better you get at it, and the more fun you have. And that's what
it's all about, having fun.

--
Martin E. Meserve - K7MEM
http://www.k7mem.com
(remove _nospam_ from my email to reply)

That may not work anymore. Used to be, the 10 questions were usually
"multiple choice". If you had enough letters or characters to take a good
stab at the answer, yes, you could conceivably pass. BUT.... I was told that
the VE systems, at least W5YI (who I go through) - changed their system to
require "fill in the blanks" - no more multiple choice. That means if there
was an error sent on purpose of say "antena" and you were to assume - having
not copied the whole word in code, that it was "antenna" - and you wrote
"antenna" on the blank - you failed that question. You're supposed to copy
the message AS IT IS SENT. NO ERRORS. If they send all words correctly, you
best have all words you need to write down - spelled correctly. IF they have
a misspelled word, you better have it too. If the word starts with a C and
you assumed wrong and wrote another character down, let's face it, you're
not going to answer a particular question correctly, if that word has to do
with it. Then too, with our wacky English language, you could have To, Two,
Too...... just as an example. While the words to and too may not be on the
test as an answer, the word Two - could be as in Two Feet, Two Meters, or
any other applicable combination. It all depends. If they use standard run
of mill tests, he may never see that. IF "THEY" make up their own exams, as
they are allowed to do, Lord only knows what may be in there. A misspelling
of the word or an assumption could be costly. He could catch the first and
last letter and "assume" the middle, not knowing for sure what it was. He
could miss the word previous or after and not see that it should have been
TWO in relation to something of height or so on. All presumptions of course,
but possibilities.

He could still take a stab at the exam. With 1/2 the code, he stands a small
chance of passing, but preparation IS the best answer. I've seen people fail
for making the stupidest of errors even with knowledge. Being unprepared and
nervous sure won't help. Whatever the case....... Good luck!

One more notch. Our team had a guy sit in for 20 WPM. He "claimed" he could
copy it, but he had some sort of medical disorder as well - which he brought
no medical proof of for us to give him special testing - which we would have
been allowed to do. He took the exam. When done, neither he nor us could
make out his copy - to start with. He also failed the written for the same
reason. He couldn't read his own writing. Talking to the guy, he was pretty
well versed in ham and so on. Was he prepared? I don't know. But even if he
was, his dictation shot him down. It's all in the copy on paper. We can't
read what you caught in your head.

cl

What they should do is make it optional for code people, and give a real test.
Then you can only transmit code if you take the test. But I don't want to wait
that long.


CW should have it's own bandspace, not invaded by other weak signal modes.
It shouldn't be forced on us to use HF, but I don't see it going away.

To those that want to pound brass, more power to 'ya!

cl wrote:
"K7MEM" wrote in message
...

Vinnie S. wrote:

I have about half the alphabet down at 5 WPM. But I don't think I am
going to
have enough time. Test is next Sat. I think I need more practice. Vinnie
S.

There is no substitute for being prepared, but take the test anyway.

Years ago, the only way to pass the CW tests was to have one full
minute of solid copy on your copy sheet. Now, you can pass the CW
test two ways. If you have one full minute of solid copy, your done.
However if you don't, you can take the 10 question test. You may have
copied enough characters to guess at the answers. The process of
elimination will help you on many of them. Get a copy of Morse
Academy, if you don't already have it. The built in sample tests
are exactly the same as the real test. If I remember correctly, you
only have to get 7 out of 10 to pass. The odds are in your favor.

I have seen people pass the 13 and 20 WPM tests with only a smattering
of characters on their copy sheet. For me, The key was to be able to
copy a little bit faster than the required speed. That way I was
comfortable with the testing speed. Some people come by CW naturally,
but for me, it took a long time to get to the needed speeds. But
then, no one has to worry about the 13 and 20 WPM tests any more.

Just try to be calm and realize that it's not the end of the world
if you fail. Get the certificates for the tests you do pass and
go back the next testing session. Some testing stations will even
let you try again, after a short rest to collect your thoughts.

And don't discount using CW, when you finally get your license. It's
a fun mode to use, just like any other mode. The more you use it,
the better you get at it, and the more fun you have. And that's what
it's all about, having fun.

--
Martin E. Meserve - K7MEM
http://www.k7mem.com
(remove _nospam_ from my email to reply)


That may not work anymore. Used to be, the 10 questions were usually
"multiple choice". If you had enough letters or characters to take a good
stab at the answer, yes, you could conceivably pass. BUT.... I was told that
the VE systems, at least W5YI (who I go through) - changed their system to
require "fill in the blanks" - no more multiple choice. That means if there
was an error sent on purpose of say "antena" and you were to assume - having
not copied the whole word in code, that it was "antenna" - and you wrote
"antenna" on the blank - you failed that question. You're supposed to copy
the message AS IT IS SENT. NO ERRORS. If they send all words correctly, you
best have all words you need to write down - spelled correctly. IF they have
a misspelled word, you better have it too. If the word starts with a C and
you assumed wrong and wrote another character down, let's face it, you're
not going to answer a particular question correctly, if that word has to do
with it. Then too, with our wacky English language, you could have To, Two,
Too...... just as an example. While the words to and too may not be on the
test as an answer, the word Two - could be as in Two Feet, Two Meters, or
any other applicable combination. It all depends. If they use standard run
of mill tests, he may never see that. IF "THEY" make up their own exams, as
they are allowed to do, Lord only knows what may be in there. A misspelling
of the word or an assumption could be costly. He could catch the first and
last letter and "assume" the middle, not knowing for sure what it was. He
could miss the word previous or after and not see that it should have been
TWO in relation to something of height or so on. All presumptions of course,
but possibilities.

He could still take a stab at the exam. With 1/2 the code, he stands a small
chance of passing, but preparation IS the best answer. I've seen people fail
for making the stupidest of errors even with knowledge. Being unprepared and
nervous sure won't help. Whatever the case....... Good luck!

One more notch. Our team had a guy sit in for 20 WPM. He "claimed" he could
copy it, but he had some sort of medical disorder as well - which he brought
no medical proof of for us to give him special testing - which we would have
been allowed to do. He took the exam. When done, neither he nor us could
make out his copy - to start with. He also failed the written for the same
reason. He couldn't read his own writing. Talking to the guy, he was pretty
well versed in ham and so on. Was he prepared? I don't know. But even if he
was, his dictation shot him down. It's all in the copy on paper. We can't
read what you caught in your head.

cl


Like I said at the start "There is no substitute for being prepared".

They may have changed the tests since I took mine, but the VE stations have
a lot of leway in creating their tests. The only way to know for sure is to
ask. Each time I went it only cost $6.45 and I could take as many test as
I wanted, each time. So I did. I took the Tech, General, and 13 WPM in one
sitting and the Advanced, Extra, and the 20 WPM in another.

As far as stories, there are just as many testers crash and burn as there
are ones that pass. Maybe more. But as I already said, it's not the end
of the world. I used Morse Academy to create a group of tests on tape.
Then I would listen two or three times a day for 15 minutes. That's all
it took for me. There is not any need to check your work. When you copy
well, you know it. When I hit 85% - 90% I would generate new ones that
were faster. Of course, it did take me several months.

--
Martin E. Meserve - K7MEM
http://www.k7mem.com
(remove _nospam_ from my email to reply)