On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 21:23:11 -0800, "Jeff Mayner" wrote:


I agree with the first two, and all their permutations, but, why the
last?

Jeff

I made the mistake of saying I liked Ronald Reagan, and he proceded
to give be a history lesson on how bad he was. I don't need his
permission to like someone.

I think he was giving you the history lesson because you indicated you did
not know about the things he was pointing out. I too was guilty of this, if
you'll recall. It doesn't mean that I dislike you.

Oh yeah, it does. Read the tone. It don't matter, because I really don't like
him.

It's just some of us old
lefties just feel this obsessive compulsion to educate. Especially so in my
case as I did not know about a lot of it myself until after the fact, or at
least half way through the old man's second term. No matter.

That is fine. Many people do that on this usenet. But it's their entire tone
that makes the difference. His in condescending and nasty.


But it seems that Frank judges people on
poilitcal beliefs. He also has some sort of complex where he has to
impose his will, where he has to outdo your schooling, politcal,
radio knowledges, etc. There is a posts on it on the Bush thread. He
is a petty, insecure old man, with no class. And he said he is a
bartender. Now, there is nothing at all wrong with that, except that
he has a degree in EET and radio communications, and is tending bar.
He says it's by his choice. But Bartenders works ****ty hours, nights
and weekends. Engineers work mostly normal working hours. Read
betweens the lines. It all fits.

I must have missed the post with all that info in it. Were you guys doing
e-mail?

Again, no matter. I like you, Vinnie. You seem like a very nice fellow.
;-)


Thanks. Well, nicer than him, anyway.

Vinnie S.

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 14:15:36 GMT, "Landshark"
wrote:


"Dave Hall" wrote in message
. ..
On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 21:04:01 -0500, (I
AmnotGeorgeBush) wrote:

http://www.****qrz.com


Yet another example of someone who had their feelings hurt and who is
now on a personal vendetta. It's childish in any case.

Dave
"Sandbagger"
http://home.ptd.net/~n3cvj

Agreed. Do you think Doug's & Geo's attacks on
Mopar & I as childish?

Landshark

Yes. And it takes two to tango.

Dave


Good. If you are implying that I am egging him
on, your wrong. I did in the past, but since he was been
warned by his ISP to stop changing nics to by pass
filters, he doesn't change his nic. Now that has happened,
I don't see his posts, as Vinnie doesn't either.
Remember Dave, were talking about sic individuals
that send you virus, threatening emails & posts, foul vulgar
language, create web pages with all sorts of false images
& accusations.
Now I don't post much anymore, to much political
BS and crap still being responded too left by said two
individuals, I'm lucky if I post once a day in the past 6
months. When I do, it's concerning radio or to joke around
with Mopar, Jim's, Vinnie or the likes.

Landshark


--
Courage is what it takes to stand up
and speak; courage is also what it
takes to sit down and listen.

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 14:15:36 GMT, "Landshark"
wrote:


"Dave Hall" wrote in message
. ..
On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 21:04:01 -0500, (I
AmnotGeorgeBush) wrote:

http://www.****qrz.com


Yet another example of someone who had their feelings hurt and who is
now on a personal vendetta. It's childish in any case.

Dave
"Sandbagger"
http://home.ptd.net/~n3cvj

Agreed. Do you think Doug's & Geo's attacks on
Mopar & I as childish?

Landshark

Yes. And it takes two to tango.

Dave


Good. If you are implying that I am egging him
on, your wrong. I did in the past, but since he was been
warned by his ISP to stop changing nics to by pass
filters, he doesn't change his nic. Now that has happened,
I don't see his posts, as Vinnie doesn't either.
Remember Dave, were talking about sic individuals
that send you virus, threatening emails & posts, foul vulgar
language, create web pages with all sorts of false images
& accusations.
Now I don't post much anymore, to much political
BS and crap still being responded too left by said two
individuals, I'm lucky if I post once a day in the past 6
months. When I do, it's concerning radio or to joke around
with Mopar, Jim's, Vinnie or the likes.

Landshark

The last of the CB outlaws in this ng:

Landshark
Steveo
Jim
Twistyhead

From: (Dave=A0Hall)
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 09:08:37 -0500, (I
AmnotGeorgeBush) wrote:
From: (Dave=A0Hall)
On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 21:04:01 -0500, (I
AmnotGeorgeBush) wrote:
http://www.****qrz.com
Yet another example of someone who had

their feelings hurt and who is now on a

personal vendetta. It's childish in any case.

Dave

"Sandbagger"

http://home.ptd.net/~n3cvj

You obviously are more familiar with the site than myself, as I was just
made aware of it. Can you enlighten the contingency about whose feelings
were hurt and why?

Just read the site.


I did.

The author has outlines his "beef" quite

clearly.

I find nothing to indicate any hurt feelings. Again, I ask you once
again to explain your position. What is it that has you subjectively
indicating hurt feelings were responsible for the creator's site? Thomas
Paine created his paper the Federalist and people like you screamed
similar to what you offer now attempting to explain his actions,,,,,and
his paper was anonymous. Yet, the person you accuse makes very clear his
intention for his actions....censorship. And these folks are not
anonymous.
When one wishes to have an avenue free from undue interference and
censorship, sometimes one must create that avenue themselves. This is
twice in two days you have taken an American born patriotic birthright
and trashed it,,first was the right to select civil disobedience, now,
you accuse one who voices his own opinion on his own site with nothing
more than your own based subjective opinion, formed by reading the site
he took to task.




There were also discussions on QRZ on the

"other side".



Invocation of the site he decries as improperly censoring as the pillar
of truth for -your- subjective bias is no different than the site
builder's actions you take issue with,,,,you just happen to be on the
"other side" (your words). Such is hardly an unbiased look at each site
regarding the issue that sparked the creation of the site responsible
for effectively moving you to the point of lambasting the creators. In
that vein, the site you take issue with is an instant success, for if it
moved you in such a manner. In the media, there is no bad press,
regardless what you have been told. The only thing the public masses
love more than controversy is resiliency from one who was once
down...the underdog.


David T. Hall Jr.

"Sandbagger"

n3cvj

On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 14:31:58 GMT, "Landshark" wrote:


Good. If you are implying that I am egging him
on, your wrong. I did in the past, but since he was been
warned by his ISP to stop changing nics to by pass
filters, he doesn't change his nic. Now that has happened,
I don't see his posts, as Vinnie doesn't either.

Oh, he was warned? LOL

Remember Dave, were talking about sic individuals
that send you virus, threatening emails & posts, foul vulgar
language, create web pages with all sorts of false images
& accusations.
Now I don't post much anymore, to much political
BS and crap still being responded too left by said two
individuals, I'm lucky if I post once a day in the past 6
months. When I do, it's concerning radio or to joke around
with Mopar, Jim's, Vinnie or the likes.

Landshark


Vinnie S.

KB3BEJ wrote:
I guess the crap you lover Steve Parks posts is ok, his
harrasing posts towards doug and anyone who he doesnt agree with

Someone call chrissy the sissy busch a waaaaaaaaambulance, poor
little feller is having a meltdown and changing nyms to avoid
killfilters. Can't stand being ignored, can you sissy?

Later... I'm leaving for Bristol in an hour, hope you find a
life soon, chrissy.

On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 14:31:58 GMT, "Landshark"
wrote:


"Dave Hall" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 14:15:36 GMT, "Landshark"
wrote:


"Dave Hall" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 21:04:01 -0500, (I
AmnotGeorgeBush) wrote:

http://www.****qrz.com


Yet another example of someone who had their feelings hurt and who is
now on a personal vendetta. It's childish in any case.

Dave
"Sandbagger"
http://home.ptd.net/~n3cvj

Agreed. Do you think Doug's & Geo's attacks on
Mopar & I as childish?

Landshark

Yes. And it takes two to tango.

Dave


Good. If you are implying that I am egging him
on, your wrong.

You are not the only one on the other side.


I did in the past, but since he was been
warned by his ISP to stop changing nics to by pass
filters, he doesn't change his nic. Now that has happened,
I don't see his posts, as Vinnie doesn't either.

No need to explain, it's all good.


Remember Dave, were talking about sic individuals
that send you virus, threatening emails & posts, foul vulgar
language, create web pages with all sorts of false images
& accusations.

Hmm, some could argue the same for the other side, with the posting of
pictures of certain individuals and their antennas and such.


Now I don't post much anymore, to much political
BS and crap still being responded too left by said two
individuals, I'm lucky if I post once a day in the past 6
months. When I do, it's concerning radio or to joke around
with Mopar, Jim's, Vinnie or the likes.

I'd much prefer a return to strictly radio related topics as well.

Dave
"Sandbagger"
http://home.ptd.net/~n3cvj

On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 10:58:36 -0500, (I
AmnotGeorgeBush) wrote:

From: (Dave*Hall)
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 09:08:37 -0500, (I
AmnotGeorgeBush) wrote:
From: (Dave*Hall)
On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 21:04:01 -0500, (I
AmnotGeorgeBush) wrote:
http://www.****qrz.com
Yet another example of someone who had

their feelings hurt and who is now on a

personal vendetta. It's childish in any case.

Dave

"Sandbagger"

http://home.ptd.net/~n3cvj

You obviously are more familiar with the site than myself, as I was just
made aware of it. Can you enlighten the contingency about whose feelings
were hurt and why?

Just read the site.


I did.

The author has outlines his "beef" quite

clearly.

I find nothing to indicate any hurt feelings.

Read between the lines.


Again, I ask you once
again to explain your position. What is it that has you subjectively
indicating hurt feelings were responsible for the creator's site?

That should be fairly obvious to anyone who understands human nature.
QRZ is a moderated forum. There are rules that are expected to be
followed. There are hundreds of discussions there and most people have
no problem. The author of the aforementioned site had a disagreement
with the owner of QRZ and got his feather ruffled, felt personally
persecuted because he couldn't abide by the rules and was kicked off.
So he's now set up an "anti-QRZ" site to somehow repair his bruised
ego, and garner support from other people who share his lack of
respect for the rules of civilized on-line discourse.


Thomas
Paine created his paper the Federalist and people like you screamed
similar to what you offer now attempting to explain his actions,,,,,and
his paper was anonymous.

There is no comparison.

Yet, the person you accuse makes very clear his
intention for his actions....censorship. And these folks are not
anonymous.

The issue is not censorship. The issue is one of following the rules
of membership. When you are in a non-public forum which is moderated,
there are certain expectations from the participants. Stray from those
rules and you risk losing your membership. You wouldn't engage in
boisterous, lewd behavior at a private golf club and not expect to be
reprimanded and expelled. So why should the same type of behavior be
tolerated on-line?


When one wishes to have an avenue free from undue interference and
censorship, sometimes one must create that avenue themselves.

Which is his right. Nothing wrong with that. But let's not lose track
of exactly WHY he chose to do such.


This is
twice in two days you have taken an American born patriotic birthright
and trashed it,,first was the right to select civil disobedience, now,
you accuse one who voices his own opinion on his own site with nothing
more than your own based subjective opinion, formed by reading the site
he took to task.

And in just as many times you have made a case that freedom of
expression should be universal even on private forums, and that any
rules restricting behavior for the better common good, are somehow
unfair. You can't have anarchy and expect to remain civilized. There
are far too many people who cannot handle that much responsibility.


There were also discussions on QRZ on the
"other side".



Invocation of the site he decries as improperly censoring as the pillar
of truth for -your- subjective bias is no different than the site
builder's actions you take issue with,,,,you just happen to be on the
"other side" (your words).

There are (at least) two sides to every argument. The bottom line is
that The author of the site (Which for some reason is no longer there
as I checked today), had a personal butting of heads with Floyd at
QRZ, and was kicked off of that site for not abiding by the rules.



Such is hardly an unbiased look at each site
regarding the issue that sparked the creation of the site responsible
for effectively moving you to the point of lambasting the creators.

Sure it is. It doesn't matter how "noble" you may think he is for
"standing up" to the "fascist" rules on QRZ, the fact remains that
when you belong to a private group, you are subject to rules. If you
can't abide by them, the owner/moderator has the right to kick you
off. Plain and simple.


In
that vein, the site you take issue with is an instant success, for if it
moved you in such a manner. In the media, there is no bad press,
regardless what you have been told. The only thing the public masses
love more than controversy is resiliency from one who was once
down...the underdog.


Like I said, for some reason, the site is no longer there. What does
that say?

Dave
"Sandbagger"
http://home.ptd.net/~n3cvj

From: (Dave=A0Hall)
On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 10:58:36 -0500, (I
AmnotGeorgeBush) wrote:
From: (Dave=A0Hall)
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 09:08:37 -0500, (I
AmnotGeorgeBush) wrote:
From: (Dave=A0Hall)
On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 21:04:01 -0500, (I
AmnotGeorgeBush) wrote:
http://www.****qrz.com
Yet another example of someone who had

their feelings hurt and who is now on a

personal vendetta. It's childish in any case.

Dave

"Sandbagger"

http://home.ptd.net/~n3cvj

You obviously are more familiar with the site than myself, as I was just
made aware of it. Can you enlighten the contingency about whose feelings
were hurt and why?

Just read the site.

I did.

The author has outlines his "beef" quite

clearly.

I find nothing to indicate any hurt feelings.

Read between the lines.

Oh,,,,,,I see,,,subjective stuff. Why didn;t you just say so.
Again, I ask you once
again to explain your position. What is it that has you subjectively
indicating hurt feelings were responsible for the creator's site?

That should be fairly obvious to anyone who

understands human nature.


Well, forget what you are being taught for a moment and let's pretend
you already arrived at such a point,

QRZ is a

moderated forum. There are rules that are

expected to be followed.

There are hundreds of discussions there and

most people have no

problem.



I'd say MANY people on QRZ have problems. In fact, it led to many new
policies by the owner of the site.

The author of the aforementioned site had a

disagreement with

the owner of QRZ and got his feather ruffled,

felt personally

persecuted because he couldn't abide by the

rules




More "reading between the lines?"


and was kicked off.

So he's now set up an "anti-QRZ" site to

somehow repair his bruised ego, and garner

support from other people who share his lack

of respect for the rules of civilized on-line

discourse.



Translated, this innocently means those who share his views concerning
censorship.
Thomas
Paine created his paper the Federalist and people like you screamed
similar to what you offer now attempting to explain his actions,,,,,and
his paper was anonymous.

There is no comparison.
=A0
Exactly, as this site is not done by anonymous authors.
Yet, the person you accuse makes very clear
his intention for his actions....censorship. And these folks are not
anonymous.

The issue is not censorship.

You said to read his site,,,,I did,,and that very clearly says It is
about censorship. Again, you appear to kow more about the issue than
myself, as you are claiming things that are not on his site. How?

The issue is one

of following the rules

of membership.

Please be specific. What rule did he violate?

When you are in a non-public

forum which is moderated, there are certain

expectations from the participants. Stray from

those rules and you risk losing your

membership.


Instead of being redundant, please be more specific,,that is,,,if,, of
course, you know anything about any "breaking of rules" here and are not
merely siding with QRZ when you have none of the facts and are merely
surmising what you think to be true.


You wouldn't engage in boisterous, lewd

behavior at a private golf club and not expect

to be

reprimanded and expelled. So why should the

same type of behavior be

tolerated on-line?
=A0=A0
LMAO,,you claim no comparison to the acts of anonymous publishing, then
try and make a comparison between hammies and those who belong to a
private golf club? HHAHHHAHAHHAHAHHA! THAT,,,,,,,is not a valid
comparison by any wildest stretch of the imagination.
_
When one wishes to have an avenue free from undue interference and
censorship, sometimes one must create that avenue themselves.

Which is his right. Nothing wrong with that. But
let's not lose track

of exactly WHY he chose to do such.

YOU are claiming a reason that is not detailed on his site. In fact, his
reasoning set forth is much differetnt from your subjective "reading
between the lines" and assuming rules were broke, with nothing more than
your personal biases and subjective view providing for such.
This is
twice in two days you have taken an American born patriotic birthright
and trashed it,,first was the right to select civil disobedience, now,
you accuse one who voices his own opinion on his own site with nothing
more than your own based subjective opinion, formed by reading the site
he took to task.

And in just as many times you have made a

case that freedom of

expression should be universal even on

private forums,

I said nothing of the sort, Dave, your difficluties are really making
you go off the deep end today, and regardless anything I said, it does
not negate your problem with trashing legal actions by those whose
political views you disagree.

and that any rules restricting behavior for the

better common good,

are somehow unfair.

I said nothing of the sort.

You can't have anarchy and expect to remain

civilized.

Google "anarchy" and it has ALWAYS been you and the malicious sock
puppets invoking the term.

There are far too many people who cannot

handle that much

responsibility.

There were also discussions on QRZ on the

"other side".

Invocation of the site he decries as improperly censoring as the pillar
of truth for -your- subjective bias is no different than the site
builder's actions you take issue with,,,,you just happen to be on the
"other side" (your words).

There are (at least) two sides to every

argument.

And the truth is usually somehwere in the middle, not on your side or
his.

The bottom line is that The author of the site

(Which for some reason

is no longer there as I checked today),

Which lends even more to your non-credibility factor. It is there, Dave.
Your difficulties today know no bounds.

had a personal butting of heads with Floyd

at QRZ, and was kicked

off of that site for not abiding by the rules. =A0=A0

Be specific, Dave. What rule did this guy violate?
_
Such is hardly an unbiased look at each site
regarding the issue that sparked the creation of the site responsible
for effectively moving you to the point of lambasting the creators.

Sure it is. It doesn't matter how "noble" you

may think he is



Your difficulties have you making hypcritical erroneous assumptions all
the live long day.

for

"standing up" to the "fascist" rules on QRZ,



Of course we couldn't have you mention "anarchy" without presenting the
word "fascist" and attempting to misattribute it to others, now, could
we, Dave

the

fact remains that

when you belong to a private group, you are

subject to rules.

If you can't abide by them, the

owner/moderator has the right to kick

you off. Plain and simple.

And he has the right to make his own site,,,even more plain and simple,
regardless the fact your bias has you reading between lines and saying
things that are not there,,,,you've always done that on usenet, why
should it be any diferent in any other facets of your life?
_
In
that vein, the site you take issue with is an instant success, for if it
moved you in such a manner. In the media, there is no bad press,
regardless what you have been told. The only thing the public masses
love more than controversy is resiliency from one who was once
down...the underdog.

Like I said, for some reason, the site is no

longer there.

And like I said earlier,,it IS still there.

What does that say?

It says your diffculties are now transcending to your computer use. Like
I said before, you need another vacation,,,perhaps a long one to
somewhere other than Florida, as it doesn;t agree with you, somewhere
you can actually relax.

David T. Hall Jr,

"Sandbagger"

n3cvj

Dave Hall wrote:
On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 14:31:58 GMT, "Landshark"
wrote:


"Dave Hall" wrote in message
. ..

On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 14:15:36 GMT, "Landshark"
wrote:


"Dave Hall" wrote in message
m...

On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 21:04:01 -0500, (I
AmnotGeorgeBush) wrote:


http://www.****qrz.com


Yet another example of someone who had their feelings hurt and who is
now on a personal vendetta. It's childish in any case.

Dave
"Sandbagger"
http://home.ptd.net/~n3cvj

Agreed. Do you think Doug's & Geo's attacks on
Mopar & I as childish?

Landshark

Yes. And it takes two to tango.

Dave


Good. If you are implying that I am egging him
on, your wrong.


You are not the only one on the other side.



I did in the past, but since he was been
warned by his ISP to stop changing nics to by pass
filters, he doesn't change his nic. Now that has happened,
I don't see his posts, as Vinnie doesn't either.


No need to explain, it's all good.



Remember Dave, were talking about sic individuals
that send you virus, threatening emails & posts, foul vulgar
language, create web pages with all sorts of false images
& accusations.


Hmm, some could argue the same for the other side, with the posting of
pictures of certain individuals and their antennas and such.



Now I don't post much anymore, to much political
BS and crap still being responded too left by said two
individuals, I'm lucky if I post once a day in the past 6
months. When I do, it's concerning radio or to joke around
with Mopar, Jim's, Vinnie or the likes.


I'd much prefer a return to strictly radio related topics as well.

Dave
"Sandbagger"
http://home.ptd.net/~n3cvj
you know dave i dont respond to your oh so long posts as they tend to
put people to sleep but this response is so hypocritical it makes me
laugh. quit posting your political diatribes and you might be taken
seriously.