"Frank Gilliland" wrote in message
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On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 13:35:44 GMT, "Landshark"
wrote in :


"Frank Gilliland" wrote in message
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On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 04:03:02 GMT, "Landshark"
wrote in :


"Dave Hall" wrote in message
m...
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I have chosen neither side. I am merely making an observation.


OK, This is just an observation, so please don't take offence.


You're kidding, right? You actually believe that Dave Hall is walking
the line in the middle of the road? Come on, Shark..... did you turn
into a pussy?


Nope, but you didn't read the rest of the post before responding
to that statement, did ya


Yes, but I misread the quotes. I thought you wrote that ".....please
don't take offence" line. My bad.


Eh, don't worry about it, no bigge.

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Like I said to Landshark, it takes two to tango. That was not meant as
a criticism, just a neutral observation.


Of course, if you stopped responding to Twist & Frank this
political crap would stop, but that was not meant as criticism,
just a neutral observation


Ain't gonna happen. Not until the Rove/Bush regime leaves office.
Check out Frontline next week. I don't even have to watch it and
already I'm ready to freeband and run a linear in protest of the
current renegade administration. Yes.... ME, the most vocal antagonist
against illegals since Mark-whats-his-name. You think Twisty was bad?
Just wait and see who is "elected" as the next president......

LOL!!!! That would be a real cold day in Hell
for you to start freebanding & running power, but I do
believe your political convictions, just like Twist &
Dave's. My point for Dave was, he makes the statement
"two to tango" and yet when Jim asks him when he's
going to stop posting his political diatribes, Dave says
"You must have me confused with someone else. I
don't post political diatribes".


Just another shining example of Dave's hypocrisy.


Politics & Religion are a never ending debate, that's
why I am going to stay out of that subject.


Interesting perspective..... so any argument about religion or
politics can never be won because the argument will live longer than
ourselves?


Sure, you know better than that. More wars have
been started over religion than anything, so that will
be the case for decades, if not centuries to come, long
after you and I are long gone.

Landshark


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My bad..the camera is mightier than the blowhard(s)..in most respects.

On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 04:03:02 GMT, "Landshark"
wrote:


"Dave Hall" wrote in message
.. .
Yet another example of someone who had their feelings hurt and who
is now on a personal vendetta. It's childish in any case.

Dave
"Sandbagger"
http://home.ptd.net/~n3cvj

Agreed. Do you think Doug's & Geo's attacks on
Mopar & I as childish?

Landshark

Yes. And it takes two to tango.

Dave


Agreed, in the case of right vs. left it takes three to tango.

Usually a lot more.



Good. If you are implying that I am egging him
on, your wrong.

You are not the only one on the other side.

We see the side you've chosen to be on. Fine company you keep.

I have chosen neither side. I am merely making an observation.


OK, This is just an observation, so please don't take offence.

I never do.


Remember Dave, were talking about sic individuals
that send you virus, threatening emails & posts, foul vulgar
language, create web pages with all sorts of false images
& accusations.

Hmm, some could argue the same for the other side, with the posting of
pictures of certain individuals and their antennas and such.


Again, remember that Geo & Doug for YEARS have been
making websites dedicated to Mopar & I, so where does the
fact that in just a year Mopar posted pics of Dougs antenna
say that he's started all this mess?

Where did I ever say that you guys started it? I never made any such
insinuation. But at this point it really doesn't matter who started
it. But truth be told, it won't ever stop as long as BOTH sides
continue to pour gas on the fire. That's what I meant when I said "it
takes two to tango". I agree with you that the whole thing is
childish. I can't believe that Stevo would actually go to the trouble
of driving over to "Doug's" over an internet issue. He risked a
potential trespassing or assault charge all over an internet dispute.
That reminds me of the arguments and challenges to fights that used to
happen over the CB years back. I learned back then that if a hobby got
that serious, that it was time to take a break from it. The cyber
world and the real world should never cross unless it's on mutually
good terms.

You guys should just resolve to conclude that the guys hassling you
are not worth your trouble. You guys are better than that.


Most here would say he deserves what gets as a consequence of his own
actions. Or maybe he shouldn't **** with someone like me that lives so
close to him.

That goes both ways. Perhaps if you didn't put on the appearance of
being somewhat bothered by those guys, they wouldn't be so quick to
hassle you. Remember, they didn't come looking for you.


You sure about that Dave? They've posted numerous peoples
address's, phone #'s, job info, yup they didn't come looking for
us.

I don't recall anyone's correct addresses and phone numbers being
posted. There was a lot of speculation and accusations IIRC. But that
alone is not worth a grain of salt. But hell, my address is in the
FCC license database, as is "Doug's" and "George's", assuming they
really are who you claim.


Like I said to Landshark, it takes two to tango. That was not meant as
a criticism, just a neutral observation.


Of course, if you stopped responding to Twist & Frank this
political crap would stop, but that was not meant as criticism,
just a neutral observation

So you contend that I am the only reason those guys post political
crap on this board? Do you really think I'm that important?

But assuming you are correct, I'm not complaining about Twist and
Frank posting political stuff, as off the wall and conspiracy laden as
it might be. If the day comes that I do complain, you are cordially
invited to remind me that it takes two (or three in this case) to
tango. ;-)

Dave
"Sandbagger"
http://home.ptd.net/~n3cvj

On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 02:28:05 -0700, Frank Gilliland
wrote:

On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 04:03:02 GMT, "Landshark"
wrote in :


"Dave Hall" wrote in message
. ..
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I have chosen neither side. I am merely making an observation.


OK, This is just an observation, so please don't take offence.


You're kidding, right? You actually believe that Dave Hall is walking
the line in the middle of the road?


Why not? One can be capable of taking multiple sides on multiple
different issues, including no side at all. Surely you are not so
binary oriented to understand that


Check out Frontline next week. I don't even have to watch it and
already I'm ready to freeband and run a linear in protest of the
current renegade administration. Yes.... ME, the most vocal antagonist
against illegals since Mark-whats-his-name. You think Twisty was bad?
Just wait and see who is "elected" as the next president......


This should be good. What sort of leftist propaganda are you now
buying into?

Dave
"Sandbagger"
http://home.ptd.net/~n3cvj

On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 13:35:44 GMT, "Landshark"
wrote:

LOL!!!! That would be a real cold day in Hell
for you to start freebanding & running power, but I do
believe your political convictions, just like Twist &
Dave's. My point for Dave was, he makes the statement
"two to tango" and yet when Jim asks him when he's
going to stop posting his political diatribes, Dave says
"You must have me confused with someone else. I
don't post political diatribes".

Ah, I see you didn't understand the subtle differences. I told Jim
that I don't post political diatribes. That is factually accurate, as
I have never yet started a thread which was politically oriented. I
do, however RESPOND to other's posts on political matters.


Politics & Religion are a never ending debate, that's
why I am going to stay out of that subject.

Probably a wise decision, unless you're like me and enjoy watching the
other side dance.

Dave
"Sandbagger"
http://home.ptd.net/~n3cvj

On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 13:40:23 -0700, Frank Gilliland
wrote:


LOL!!!! That would be a real cold day in Hell
for you to start freebanding & running power, but I do
believe your political convictions, just like Twist &
Dave's. My point for Dave was, he makes the statement
"two to tango" and yet when Jim asks him when he's
going to stop posting his political diatribes, Dave says
"You must have me confused with someone else. I
don't post political diatribes".


Just another shining example of Dave's hypocrisy.

I think it's time for a refresher course for you people who throw that
word out so indiscriminately.

hy·poc·ri·sy ( P ) Pronunciation Key (h-pkr-s)
n. pl. hy·poc·ri·sies

1. The practice of professing beliefs, feelings, or virtues that one
does not hold or possess; falseness.

2. An act or instance of such falseness.


When have I been hypocritical?



Politics & Religion are a never ending debate, that's
why I am going to stay out of that subject.


Interesting perspective..... so any argument about religion or
politics can never be won because the argument will live longer than
ourselves?

Interesting response. When I made a similar statement, about the folly
in arguing religion and politics, you scoffed at it.


Perhaps some of us just enjoy sparring, knowing all too well that the
issue will never be resolved.

Dave
"Sandbagger"
http://home.ptd.net/~n3cvj

On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 10:11:51 -0400, (I
AmnotGeorgeBush) wrote:

That was not meant as a criticism, just a
neutral observation.

Sure, sure,,a "neutral" observation whose first knee jerk reaction when
Dogie was busted was to jump to his defense and lie and say someone
someone withdrew the complaint against him to the FCC.

You're lying again. I never made any such claim.



See Dave, when
the FCC places a hammie on the Rain Report and informs the world they
have evidence before them that indicates he was in violation of FCC law,
and you come along and attempt to say otherwise and that the FCC could
be wrong, is in no manner "neutral", It's simply another case (of many)
where you are not in any remote sense of the word "neutral".

I simply offered that based on Doug's "notoriety", that it was
potentially possible that he could have been framed. Nothing more. Yet
you zizz and drip over this as if I shot and killed the Pope, further
illustrating you obsessiveness.


The contingency....

.....of one (you).


recognizes this fact and several have illustrated and
commented on your position and hypocrisy.

You don't know the meaning of the word.

The again, it is your right to
insist on remaining detached from reality and refusing to view yourself
as you really are, such as how others and the majority view you.

Ah yes, the majority of people who you base support by the number of
magazines that sell which contain your fishing articles.

You
claiming the majority misunderstands you

No, you are claiming there's a "majority" (Which has been strangely
silent), the truth is there is only you.


, via explaining what you
"really" meant (usually accompanied by you applying incorrect
definitions of words and terms) adds to the joke.

Provide even ONE example of my misuse of any term.

Dave
"Sandbagger"
http://home.ptd.net/~n3cvj

Dave Hall wrote:
I can't believe that Stevo would actually go to the trouble
of driving over to "Doug's" over an internet issue.

You don't know me very well then. I enjoy schooling keyboard tuff guys..or
anyone who's bark is bigger than their bite. It's how my Dad brought me up.

On 07 Apr 2005 12:44:42 GMT, Steveo wrote:

Dave Hall wrote:
I can't believe that Stevo would actually go to the trouble
of driving over to "Doug's" over an internet issue.

You don't know me very well then. I enjoy schooling keyboard tuff guys..or
anyone who's bark is bigger than their bite. It's how my Dad brought me up.

Fair enough. But is a guy like Doug really worth all your effort?

Dave
"Sandbagger"

Dave Hall wrote:
On 07 Apr 2005 12:44:42 GMT, Steveo wrote:

Dave Hall wrote:
I can't believe that Stevo would actually go to the trouble
of driving over to "Doug's" over an internet issue.

You don't know me very well then. I enjoy schooling keyboard tuff
guys..or anyone who's bark is bigger than their bite. It's how my Dad
brought me up.

Fair enough. But is a guy like Doug really worth all your effort?

There's really not been much extra effort so far. I had to go to
Flat Rock Michigan for some Mopar parts from a friend of mine up
there the last time I visited the felon. I'm going to do some radio
gear shopping in Dayton in May, so once again I'll be in the neighborhood.

A guy like Doug needs mental help real bad, I almost feel sorry for him.

From: (Dave=A0Hall)
On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 04:03:02 GMT, "Landshark"
wrote:
"Dave Hall" wrote in message
...
Yet another example of someone who had their feelings hurt and who is
now on a personal vendetta. It's childish in any case.
Dave
"Sandbagger"

(=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0Remember Dave, were talking about sic
individuals that send you virus, threatening emails & posts, foul vulgar
language, create web pages with all sorts of false images & accusations.
)

Hmm, some could argue the same for the

other side, with the posting of pictures of

certain individuals and their antennas and

such.


The acts you describe will not support "some" who would argue such a
position.


(Again, remember that Geo & Doug for YEARS have been making websites
dedicated to Mopar & I, so where does the fact that in just a year Mopar
posted pics of Dougs antenna say that he's started all this mess? )

Where did I ever say that you guys started it?

Umm,,this is where your failed memory comes into play, Davie. Go
ahead,,for the record and enjoyment benefit of those who may have missed
your claim,,,,,..deny you never claimed that illegal cbers started the
mess with Dogie by what you claimed was "flaunting" their illegal
actions. Off you go, now.

I never made any such insinuation.

TYVM. You came right out and said it,,there was no "insinuation".

But at this

point it really doesn't matter who started it.


Not to you, because you support those who began it. This was illustrated
when the FCC busted Dogie and told the world via the Rain Report he was
breaking FCC rules by jamming. YOU, came on here and offered incompetent
armchair lawyering on Dogie's behalf, conjuring and lamenting to the
group that someone withdrew the complaint against Dogie....all AFTER the
fact the FCC reported him as jamming repeaters.


But

truth be told, it won't ever stop as long as

BOTH sides continue to pour gas on the fire.

That's what I meant when I said "it takes two

to tango". I agree with you that the whole thing
is childish. I can't believe that Stevo would

actually go to the trouble of driving over to

"Doug's" over an internet issue.



LOL..and many others can not believe an extra class hammie such as
yourself, who continually self-qualifies himself as some type of
knowledegable person regrading the laws that govern his hobby, would
erroneously continue to claim dxers and freebanders are federal
criminals, and not be able to comprehend the definition of civil
disobedience verses criminal disobedience and all that pertain to such.
Nevertheless, your education has been completed on this subject, as you
were reduced and forced to admitting your views holding dxers as federal
criminals all comes down to matter of perception (yours), which happens
to be wrong (as illustrated by the US judicial system as to what
differentiates civil verses criminal courts, actions, and penalties.)


He risked a potential trespassing or assault

charge all over an internet dispute.


He risked no assault charge. He was invited. If you need scholling on
the legality of this issue as well, say the word.



zzThat reminds me of the arguments and

challenges to fights that used to happen over

the CB years back.



Yearn for the past, live in the past,,,it's not relevant.

(Most here would say he deserves what gets
as a consequence of his own actions. Or
maybe he shouldn't **** with someone like me that lives so close to
him.)

That goes both ways. Perhaps if you didn't put
on the appearance of being somewhat

bothered by those guys, they wouldn't be so

quick to hassle you. Remember, they didn't

come looking for you.


(You sure about that Dave? They've posted numerous peoples address's,
phone #'s, job info, yup they didn't come looking for us. )


I don't recall anyone's correct addresses and

phone numbers being posted.



Only because you impossibly hold yourself as some sort deity who thinks
what is deemed correct and incorrect can only be judged by yourself.


There was a lot of speculation and

accusations IIRC. But that alone is not worth a
grain of salt.


My electronic logs most certainly are, and it got several isp's yanked.

But hell, my address is in the

FCC license database, as is "Doug's" and

"George's", assuming they really are who you

claim.



You address is wrong, Dave. You have yet to provide the FCC with the
correct address of where you lay your head at night.


Like I said to Landshark, it takes two to tango.

That was not meant as a criticism, just a

neutral observation.




A "neutral" observation is not possible from one who claimed Dogie's FCC
bust was recanted by a complainant who turned him in. This, in addition
to the rest of your mess, shows you know **** about the law. When the
FCC tells the world a hammie is guilty, their evidence regarding the
hammie breaking the law is practically iron-clad.


(Of course, if you stopped responding to Twist & Frank this political
crap would stop, but that was not meant as criticism, just a neutral
observation

So you contend that I am the only reason

those guys post political crap on this board?

Do you really think I'm that important?



Only you exhibit an unquenchable thirst for status you are denied among
us. The rest have been educated.


But assuming you are correct, I'm not

complaining about Twist and Frank posting

political stuff, as off the wall and conspiracy

laden as it might be.


Not everyone takes your personal complaining of Frank and myself as "off
the wall" and "conspiracy laden"....that's your paranoia acting up..it
just seems like everyone thinks that of you.



If the day comes that I do complain, you are

cordially invited to remind me that it takes two

(or three in this case) to tango. ;-)



It doesn't really matter what is responsible for your years and years of
complaints concerning illegal radio activity, as you are in denial it
ever occurred. I will admit one thing, you have left one hell of a
legacy for your child to read some day. Better hope you're dead and gone
long before she finds it.

Dave

"Sandbagger"

n3cvj