On Mon, 04 Apr 2005 21:39:20 -0400, jim wrote:



http://www.bencher.com/pdf_download.html

Scroll down to "Tech Notes" at the bottom.

He don't like you Frank, your in his Killfile. He won't see your message
unless he is like Landshark and has a imaginary kill file.



It's clear that Vinnie avoids both confrontation and education. But I
didn't post the link for his benefit. I posted it because others might
have the same or similar questions -- people who want to actually
learn something so they don't need someone to hold their hand while
installing an antenna.




that was a smack at him frank. his posts concerning his newfound amateur
status was actually what this board is all about. Never mind its about
an amatuer question but rather radio in general. He doesn't like you and
the above post butresses his point. You are sounding like Eitner who is
acidic also.


His post got piggy backed. What can I say about him. I could give two ****s
about him. I have clearly moved him though. He can't avoid me.

As far as education, Frank's parents clearly educated him in manner. o, I will
not use his advice, because his education is the type that is of no use.

Vinnie S.

On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 03:27:58 GMT, "Landshark" wrote:

s" at the bottom.

He don't like you Frank, your in his Killfile. He won't see your message
unless he is like Landshark and has a imaginary kill file.


It's clear that Vinnie avoids both confrontation and education. But I
didn't post the link for his benefit. I posted it because others might
have the same or similar questions -- people who want to actually
learn something so they don't need someone to hold their hand while
installing an antenna.


Vinnie's not a bad guy Frank, you two should talk more
radio, you'll probably find a lot more in common. Now Geo
I see is still obsessed with me and male sex........pretty sad.



No chance. We habe nothing in common. Frank thrives on being an asshole. This
post is a case in point. He could have simply just posted a link. But that is
not his style. He has to be condescending, belittling, etc. And one thing is a
common. His posts always contains a slap at your education, and plugs his own
education. That smells of some type of inferiority complex. And he constantly
points to Dave in comparison. One thin is for sure, Dave would have never
answered this post in that manner. Like I said before. I don't he went from
being an engineer to bartender, because of choice. It was because he can't get
along with people, and was sent packing. He is a petty, miserable, fat old man.

Vinnie S.

On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 07:47:13 -0400, Dave Hall wrote:

On Mon, 04 Apr 2005 17:53:15 -0400, Vinnie S.
wrote:

OK, I purchased the Imax-2000 which is a 5/8 wave antenna. There are 2 options
for a ground plane kit:

1. First is a four fiberglass 6 foot radials, angled down (appears 45 degrees),
as seen he


http://www.durhamradio.com/s/custome...at=1684&page=1


2. This is another kit. It has four aluminum 7 foot radials. This is horizontal,
and not angeled, as seen he


http://www.majestic-comm.com/product...rsupply/Boomer


Which one would be better?


You should give Frank's suggestion a look as it does contain a lot of
information on antennas.

But to answer your question, your particular type of antenna, like the
A-99, is designed to decouple with no radials. Adding radials to this
type of antenna does very little to improve performance. It's more
about marketing hype than actual performance improvement.



I should have been clearer. I wasn't trying to improve performance, since it is
a 5/8. But from the reading I have done (no thanks to anything Frank posted), I
was simply seeing if thise would lower the angle of radiation, and reduce
potential for any king of interference. I am sorry id my lack of knowledge in
this field, insults Frank.

Vinnie S.

"Jeff Mayner" wrote in message
...
Landshark wrote:
"Frank Gilliland" wrote in message
news
On Mon, 04 Apr 2005 19:20:17 -0500, landsharkdeepthroatsmen
wrote in
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Frank Gilliland wrote in
:

On Mon, 04 Apr 2005 17:53:15 -0400, Vinnie the Helpless Ham
wrote:

snip
Which one would be better?


http://www.bencher.com/pdf_download.html

Scroll down to "Tech Notes" at the bottom.

He don't like you Frank, your in his Killfile. He won't see your
message unless he is like Landshark and has a imaginary kill file.


It's clear that Vinnie avoids both confrontation and education. But I
didn't post the link for his benefit. I posted it because others
might have the same or similar questions -- people who want to
actually learn something so they don't need someone to hold their
hand while installing an antenna.


Vinnie's not a bad guy Frank, you two should talk more
radio, you'll probably find a lot more in common. Now Geo
I see is still obsessed with me and male sex........pretty sad.

I'm trying to take the heat off you but his attention span doesn't seem to
be too long. I'll step it up. ;-)

Jeff


Don't worry about it dude, Geo's been doing this for
5 years now. Every time he posts, he shows what a troll
he is with the obsession for Mopar & I. Making up names,
false accusations, foul vulgar language just shows people
how sick he really is.

Landshark


--
Real heroes are men who fall and fail
and are flawed, but win out in the end
because they've stayed true to their
ideals and beliefs and commitments.

"Vinnie S." wrote in message
...
On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 07:47:13 -0400, Dave Hall
wrote:

On Mon, 04 Apr 2005 17:53:15 -0400, Vinnie S.
wrote:

OK, I purchased the Imax-2000 which is a 5/8 wave antenna. There are 2
options
for a ground plane kit:

1. First is a four fiberglass 6 foot radials, angled down (appears 45
degrees),
as seen he


http://www.durhamradio.com/s/custome...at=1684&page=1


2. This is another kit. It has four aluminum 7 foot radials. This is
horizontal,
and not angeled, as seen he


http://www.majestic-comm.com/product...rsupply/Boomer


Which one would be better?


You should give Frank's suggestion a look as it does contain a lot of
information on antennas.

But to answer your question, your particular type of antenna, like the
A-99, is designed to decouple with no radials. Adding radials to this
type of antenna does very little to improve performance. It's more
about marketing hype than actual performance improvement.



I should have been clearer. I wasn't trying to improve performance, since
it is
a 5/8. But from the reading I have done (no thanks to anything Frank
posted), I
was simply seeing if thise would lower the angle of radiation, and reduce
potential for any king of interference. I am sorry id my lack of knowledge
in
this field, insults Frank.

Vinnie S.

The Imax is actually longer than 5/8 wave. Like .64 wave.

How far off the ground? The lower it is the more effective the radials are
due to take off angle, the higher you get the less effective. I have heard
use them if the feed point is less than 36 feet. My Imax is less than that
and I have no radials. It performs VERY well. But new tower is being
contemplated!!!!

Damn..... BuryFlex, Imax, Sounds like we have a lot of the same stuff !!!!!!

Best
Chad

On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 08:25:09 -0400, Vinnie S.
wrote:

But to answer your question, your particular type of antenna, like the
A-99, is designed to decouple with no radials. Adding radials to this
type of antenna does very little to improve performance. It's more
about marketing hype than actual performance improvement.



I should have been clearer. I wasn't trying to improve performance, since it is
a 5/8. But from the reading I have done (no thanks to anything Frank posted), I
was simply seeing if thise would lower the angle of radiation, and reduce
potential for any king of interference. I am sorry id my lack of knowledge in
this field, insults Frank.


Well we all can't be masters of every facet of electronics and radio.
And those who are weren't always that way. Most of us learn a few
things every day or so.

That being said, I'll have to look in the archives, but I recall a
discussion some time back about exactly what you are proposing to do.
The consensus at that time, by those who seemed to be in the know on
the topic, was that those type of "stick" end-fed radial-less 1/2 wave
and 5/8th wave antennas were designed to not need radials, and adding
them affects them very little in the areas that matter. The A-99
especially has poor decoupling which allows the feedline to radiate to
some degree, which is why people claim that the antenna "bleeds".
Simply adding radials does not seem to affect the transformer
decoupling all that much and doesn't really help the problem.

I don't know if the IMAX suffers from the same issues, but you might
want to search around for some discussions on them. You might pick up
some useful information.

Personally, I much prefer the "old fashioned" Sigma 5/8th style
antenna with radials. Jay's Interceptor 10K antenna seems to be about
the best thing going these days.

Dave
"Sandbagger"
http://home.ptd.net/~n3cvj

On Tue, 5 Apr 2005 08:43:41 -0500, "Chad Wahls"
wrote:


The Imax is actually longer than 5/8 wave. Like .64 wave.


Not to be a smart ass or anything, but if you convert .64 into its
fractional equivalent, what do you get?

Dave
"Sandbagger"
http://home.ptd.net/~n3cvj

On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 17:14:18 GMT, Lancer wrote:


http://www.bencher.com/pdf_download.html

Scroll down to "Tech Notes" at the bottom.

He don't like you Frank, your in his Killfile. He won't see your message
unless he is like Landshark and has a imaginary kill file.


It's clear that Vinnie avoids both confrontation and education. But I
didn't post the link for his benefit. I posted it because others might
have the same or similar questions -- people who want to actually
learn something so they don't need someone to hold their hand while
installing an antenna.



Didn't you mean holds their hand while they "think" about installing
an antenna?


I haven't installed it mostly because I haven't received an Alpha Delta dipole,
which is on backorder, which I plan to hang at the same time. And since there is
trench digging involved, there is no reason to dig 2 trenches, days or weeks
apart. That and getting help to run and get tools or such, and putting them in a
rope and bucket, so I don't have to climb down. Better to knock off 2 birds with
one stone.

Vinnie S.

On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 13:22:20 -0400, Dave Hall wrote:


Well we all can't be masters of every facet of electronics and radio.
And those who are weren't always that way. Most of us learn a few
things every day or so.

That being said, I'll have to look in the archives, but I recall a
discussion some time back about exactly what you are proposing to do.
The consensus at that time, by those who seemed to be in the know on
the topic, was that those type of "stick" end-fed radial-less 1/2 wave
and 5/8th wave antennas were designed to not need radials, and adding
them affects them very little in the areas that matter. The A-99
especially has poor decoupling which allows the feedline to radiate to
some degree, which is why people claim that the antenna "bleeds".
Simply adding radials does not seem to affect the transformer
decoupling all that much and doesn't really help the problem.

I don't know if the IMAX suffers from the same issues, but you might
want to search around for some discussions on them. You might pick up
some useful information.

Personally, I much prefer the "old fashioned" Sigma 5/8th style
antenna with radials. Jay's Interceptor 10K antenna seems to be about
the best thing going these days.


I plan on being about 40 feet at the feed. I just purchased the Imax yesterday.
I never knew buying an antenna and asking questions about it, would absolutely
**** off a bunch of people. I got one guy claiming I need my hand held. I got
another guy claiming that I am only "thinking" of installing it. And then there
is George and his sexual innuendo.

Should I return it? I think the purchase has affected too many lives?

Vinnie S.

On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 13:24:09 -0400, Dave Hall wrote:

On Tue, 5 Apr 2005 08:43:41 -0500, "Chad Wahls"
wrote:


The Imax is actually longer than 5/8 wave. Like .64 wave.


Not to be a smart ass or anything, but if you convert .64 into its
fractional equivalent, what do you get?

According to this, they're damn close:

http://www.shadowstorm.com/cb/CB_Myths_Exploded.html

Vinnie S.