"ALEXB" wrote in
:


Thanks for telling me that but I think I am fine. I am not
incorporated. I have one employee. I applied as an individual. I
filled out an application on their website at
www.wireless.fcc.gov/usl/ and I do not remember if they asked me about
my business name. Anyway, I used my office address as I recall. It is
too confusing for me to understand in all its entirety since I have
too many other things to worry about.


Regardless, you still cannot use GMRS to conduct business. GMRS is
strictly for families and non-business groups. Once you ID with your
callsign as required, you open yourself up to being reported.
Nonetheless, I applaud you for getting a license That is great

Let me ask you another question. For my counterpart to use their GMRS
I have to get a second license (Yes/No)--I guess the answer is yes?

Yes. The regs only permit family members to utilize the same
license/callsign.

That second license can be had as if it is attached to my existing
account which now has the first license on it that is discussed here
(Yes/No)?

Nope. The other person must apply on their own name and such. They'll
beed their own FRN and all that.

I don't really need a crowd to join. You, guys, are giving me almost
more than I need to orient myself to the wireless world


Even so, a lot of useful information can be had. You'll also get a great
deal of good advice.

Hello Alexb:

Yeah I wouldn't give the call sign thing too much concern especially
with low low power and hand held operation. But I would ID if any one
asked. Highly unlikely. And even more unlikely in areas that are not
heavily populated.

I don't think the codes your talking about are encrypted your signal. I
believe those are digital squelch codes that allow the other radio to
open its squelch. So scanner radios will be able to hear the conversation.

I am sure you can talk around the subject that you are framilur with. I
buy scanners at yard sales for something different to listen to. And
just listen to what ever they have programed in, or what ever crystal
channels are in the scanner. We have a local Tow Truck company here that
talks around everything. Except when Marge gets hammered on Friday
afternoons hehehehehehe.

I haven't a clue how to listen to encrypted signals?!?!?!?!? sorry.
Why would you want to? Just a bunch of guys saying Ten-4 and 2180 to
headquarters.

Jay in the Mojave


alexb wrote:
"Jay in the Mojave" wrote in message
...

Hello Alexb:

I listen in on a bunch on vhf and uhf Frequencies on my scanner. Most
GMRS and the commercial channels hardly any one uses call signs, except
for a few hams that are using modified UHF radios to talk on the GMRS
and FRS channels, they slip up and give their ham call sign, hehehehe

When call signs are used they mostly get it wrong or leave out letters
or numbers kind of funny. Or a foreign accent adds to the "What was that
they said"

If the general public was held for call sign accuracy we would all be in
jail.

So I wouldn't loose any sleep over it.


That's what I thought too. Common sense pictured me a similar image or
reality. Just wanted to find out what other people's experience is with it.

Aside from what you just said which is valuable, I want to point out that my
communications, I hate to say it, are encrypted. That small GMRS has 15 or
so codes and multiplied by the number of channels I can use (from the top of
my head from the 12th up since I transmit at "high power" of 4W) makes it
unlikely that somebody would instantly tune in. How in the world would I
make a fool of myself blubbering that gibberish? There is nothing especially
'secret' about what I talk about. It is all about stocks, like, "sell 500
GOOG right now" or "do you want me to bring you a sandwich?" but I still do
not want people with scanners like you hear it. I actually use the telephone
line most of the time but need a back up system since once in a while the
phones do fail.

How do you go about listening to encrypted conversations, I am curious?

You know I have a full respect for the law but I would hate to be
ridiculous.


We had a local vhf channel that at one time had Berts Pizza and a few
delivery cars, a cement truck company, a school, and a fire fighting
outfit showed on the same channel during a forest fire. No body used
call signs, but it was very entertaining. We call it the "E" channel,
hehehehehehehhehe

Jay in the Mojave

ALEXB wrote:

I've been granted an FCC license for a GMRS radio (ZA category), which I

use

in my business, and found on their website that my call sign is...

WQCTxxx.

It is a seven character combination or capital letters and digits.

What does it mean and how can I use it? My "radio" is a small handheld
walkie-talkie with 4W max power output. Where is the call number in

there?

Shall I use it when I talk to my counterpart: "Hello, this is WQCTxxx,
please, report to me?" Is it all to it? Like a caller ID only in the

air?

Is there a set of rules describing the proper use of it?

Thanks

"Leland C. Scott" wrote in message
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On Sat, 28 May 2005 08:12:38 -0400, ALEXB wrote:


Yes, I am fed up with people harvesting my email address and sending
junk.
Until a legislation is enacted to protect Internet users I will remain
anonymous.

They have but it doesn't seem to be doing much good as of now.

You're not as anonymous as you may think. Your home IP shows in the
headers. If you have a way to turn it off I would advise doing so unless
you don't care or can't as many people find out. Also you should turn off
your Ping (Echo) response too unless you need it on. Sometimes I turn mine
on when I'm doing some testing or network configuration modifications. At
least you don't seem to have any ports hanging open. I did a quick port
scan of your system so if you have any logging enabled my port scanning
it'll show up there so don't worry about it.

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[Querying whois.arin.net]
[whois.arin.net]
Comcast Cable Communications, Inc. JUMPSTART-1 (NET-68-32-0-0-1)
68.32.0.0 - 68.63.255.255
Comcast Cable Communications, Inc MICHIGAN-A-1 (NET-68-40-0-0-1)
68.40.0.0 - 68.41.255.255

# ARIN WHOIS database, last updated 2005-05-27 19:10
# Enter ? for additional hints on searching ARIN's WHOIS database.

While that may not do much good for finding your E-mail address it gives
them a start.

Regards,

Leland C. Scott
KC8LDO

Thanks a lot, much appreciated. I have a ZoneAlarm. It probably guards the
ports jealously, I assume.

I will take care of IP address shielding in the coming days since I am
getting a static one next week.

"Leland C. Scott" wrote in message
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On Sat, 28 May 2005 13:06:44 -0400, alexb wrote:


Aside from what you just said which is valuable, I want to point out
that my
communications, I hate to say it, are encrypted. That small GMRS has 15
or
so codes and multiplied by the number of channels I can use (from the
top of
my head from the 12th

I would take what he said about call sign usage with a grain of salt. It's
no different than somebody telling you it's OK to do 20 over on the
highway because they never saw a cop. Yeah you might get away with it for
a long time, but sooner or later you'll get nailed. Also consider you're
trying to use it for business, that gives the licensed users an extra
incentive to report you.

Now for your comment above, if your talking about those
so-called "privacy codes", forget it. They don't encrypt anything. What
they're for is to keep other radios from opening up the squelch for every
transmission on that channel except for the one using that code. That way
you don't have to be bothered listening to transmission you're not
interested in. Anybody with a scanner can still hear everything you say.
One more thing, if you read the rules about station ID it states clearly
that you must ID either in English or Mose Code on the GMRS channels. That
basically ends any sort of encrypted transmission on GMRS. You may find
FRS radios using "voice inversion" scrambling, but then again you have to
have all matching radios typically from the same manufacture and most
people who are serious monitors have ways to unscramble the signal anyway,
either using hardware or some software based technique using a computer
sound card. The best rule to observe is assume that somebody can hear you
regardless of what kind of transmission you make scrambled, or in the
clear.

Regards,

Leland C. Scott
KC8LDO
WPYJ972

Thanks, Do I have to get a second license for the second walkie-talkie that
works vis-a-vie of mine?

I am not paranoid about encrypting. There is basically nothing I need to
hide. I just do not want to broadcast what I am doing unnecessarily across
town. When I talk to people I know I am very open about it. All I want to do
is to take MINIMAL precautions with minimal cost involved.

Thanks.

"Jay in the Mojave" wrote in message
...
Hello Alexb:

Yeah I wouldn't give the call sign thing too much concern especially
with low low power and hand held operation. But I would ID if any one
asked. Highly unlikely. And even more unlikely in areas that are not
heavily populated.

I don't think the codes your talking about are encrypted your signal. I
believe those are digital squelch codes that allow the other radio to
open its squelch. So scanner radios will be able to hear the conversation.

I am sure you can talk around the subject that you are framilur with. I
buy scanners at yard sales for something different to listen to. And
just listen to what ever they have programed in, or what ever crystal
channels are in the scanner. We have a local Tow Truck company here that
talks around everything. Except when Marge gets hammered on Friday
afternoons hehehehehehe.

I haven't a clue how to listen to encrypted signals?!?!?!?!? sorry.
Why would you want to? Just a bunch of guys saying Ten-4 and 2180 to
headquarters.

Jay in the Mojave

Thank you.

"General Mobile Radio Service |nformation" wrote in
message ...
"ALEXB" wrote in
:


Thanks for telling me that but I think I am fine. I am not
incorporated. I have one employee. I applied as an individual. I
filled out an application on their website at
www.wireless.fcc.gov/usl/ and I do not remember if they asked me about
my business name. Anyway, I used my office address as I recall. It is
too confusing for me to understand in all its entirety since I have
too many other things to worry about.


Regardless, you still cannot use GMRS to conduct business. GMRS is
strictly for families and non-business groups. Once you ID with your
callsign as required, you open yourself up to being reported.
Nonetheless, I applaud you for getting a license That is great

Let me ask you another question. For my counterpart to use their GMRS
I have to get a second license (Yes/No)--I guess the answer is yes?

Yes. The regs only permit family members to utilize the same
license/callsign.

That second license can be had as if it is attached to my existing
account which now has the first license on it that is discussed here
(Yes/No)?

Nope. The other person must apply on their own name and such. They'll
beed their own FRN and all that.

Very interesting.
Thanks. You've saved me lots of time.


I don't really need a crowd to join. You, guys, are giving me almost
more than I need to orient myself to the wireless world


Even so, a lot of useful information can be had. You'll also get a great
deal of good advice.

On Sat, 28 May 2005 20:56:38 -0400, ALEXB wrote:


Thanks, Do I have to get a second license for the second walkie-talkie that
works vis-a-vie of mine?

In general no. The license you have should cover all the radios in use and
under your control. For example if it was for a family it would cover all
the members in the house hold.


I am not paranoid about encrypting. There is basically nothing I need to
hide. I just do not want to broadcast what I am doing unnecessarily
across town. When I talk to people I know I am very open about it. All I
want to do is to take MINIMAL precautions with minimal cost involved.

Well just keep in mind anything you say on the air is going to have many
"ears" hearing you.

Regards,

Leland C. Scott
KC8LDO

On Sat, 28 May 2005 20:48:56 -0400, ALEXB wrote:


Thanks a lot, much appreciated. I have a ZoneAlarm. It probably guards the
ports jealously, I assume.

It seems to be doing the job. Any kind of firewall is better than none.
You do need to turn off your Ping (ICMP Echo) response however if you
don't need it. I was getting Pings back from your IP. Many network
programs won't even bother doing anything if they don't detect a host at
the given IP address. It helps to keep your system from being "molested"
on the Internet. Some people however deliberately leave their system open
a bit just so they can capture the IP's of potential intruders in a log
file. I feel sorry for the dumb-dumbs, intruders, who fall for that. They
get what's coming to them sooner or later if the owner of the system is a
good system hacker and ticked off about it. God help them, the dummy
intruders, cause they're going to need it.

Regards,

Leland C. Scott
KC8LDO

"General Mobile Radio Service |nformation" wrote in
message ...
"ALEXB" wrote in
:


Thanks for telling me that but I think I am fine. I am not
incorporated. I have one employee. I applied as an individual. I
filled out an application on their website at
www.wireless.fcc.gov/usl/ and I do not remember if they asked me about
my business name. Anyway, I used my office address as I recall. It is
too confusing for me to understand in all its entirety since I have
too many other things to worry about.


Regardless, you still cannot use GMRS to conduct business. GMRS is
strictly for families and non-business groups. Once you ID with your
callsign as required, you open yourself up to being reported.
Nonetheless, I applaud you for getting a license That is great

OK, what is the solution for me that won't run afoul with the law? Would a
CB radio be the one? What type of radios can I use for a two way
communications, conducted occasionally with high degree of reliability on
demand? As I mentioned, The two points are five blocks apart downtown a
Midwestern city with a lot of structures in between. The conversations will
(or rather, may) be done during business hours between 9:00 and 4:00 EST. I
want to make sure that when I turned that radio on: (1) I can contact my
partner immediately (2) in any weather (3) there is minimal interference. As
I mentioned, it is a back up system for me. I am using VoIP phone lines most
of the time but my office on the other end of the communication line has to
have at least one line landbased. In any event, on a few occasions because
of construction nearby the lines have been interrupted recently. I need a
backup to fall onto in case of future problems.

Thanks

"ALEXB" wrote in
:

OK, what is the solution for me that won't run afoul with the law?
Would a CB radio be the one? What type of radios can I use for a two
way communications, conducted occasionally with high degree of
reliability on demand? As I mentioned, The two points are five blocks
apart downtown a Midwestern city with a lot of structures in between.
The conversations will (or rather, may) be done during business hours
between 9:00 and 4:00 EST. I want to make sure that when I turned that
radio on: (1) I can contact my partner immediately (2) in any weather
(3) there is minimal interference. As I mentioned, it is a back up
system for me. I am using VoIP phone lines most of the time but my
office on the other end of the communication line has to have at least
one line landbased. In any event, on a few occasions because of
construction nearby the lines have been interrupted recently. I need a
backup to fall onto in case of future problems.


See the forum on GMRS..... It is entirely possible I was wrong before....
your assessment of the regs may have been correct. A business cannot
license itdelf.... BUT if each individual IN the business licenses, THEN
it may be legal. Discussion in the other forum may clear this up..... If
I was wrong... I apologize for the error.

As for VOIP..... That has created extreme controversy in the GMRS
community. We are waiting for an FCC ruling on theis. It appears it may
be totally illegal, since rules forbid any GMRS traffic being transmitted
over phone lines.

CB is NOT the way to go for business comms. Handheld radios are bulky,
other users are rude.

The license free Family Radio Service (FRS), The Multi Use Radio Service
(MURS), or the business radio service can be used. MURS and BRS both
have expensive equipment costs. FRS is similar to GMRS, except you can
only use handhelds with a 500 mW power limit.

Regardless.... since you are now on GMRS Web, you can get your questions
answered with zero margin for error.