"ALEXB" wrote in message
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OK, what is the solution for me that won't run afoul with the law? Would a
CB radio be the one? What type of radios can I use for a two way
communications, conducted occasionally with high degree of reliability on
demand? As I mentioned, The two points are five blocks apart downtown a
Midwestern city with a lot of structures in between. The conversations
will
(or rather, may) be done during business hours between 9:00 and 4:00 EST.
I
want to make sure that when I turned that radio on: (1) I can contact my
partner immediately (2) in any weather (3) there is minimal interference.
As
I mentioned, it is a back up system for me. I am using VoIP phone lines
most
of the time but my office on the other end of the communication line has
to
have at least one line landbased. In any event, on a few occasions because
of construction nearby the lines have been interrupted recently. I need a
backup to fall onto in case of future problems.


Personally, I'd recommend the new(er) MURS band. This is license free, and
is definitely capable of going 5 blocks. Of course, blocks are different
lengths in different locations, but either way, I wouldn't think that you
would run into any problems.

MURS consists of 5 frequencies (channels) that were once used for licensed
business communications, but are now available for public (and business)
use, license free. There are three frequencies in the 151.XXX MHz range,
and two in the 154.XXX MHz range. If you were to utilize one of the 151.XXX
MHz freqs., you would minimize your chance of interference, as the most
readily used freqs. were the 154.XXX MHz ones. This band can also utilize
CTCSS tone codes to further minimize interference.

Another plus is that there are LOTS of high quality radios on the used
market that utilize these frequencies because of the fact that they used to
be licensed business band freqs. Do a little internet searching for MURS, I
bet it will fit what you are looking for, and be a LOT cheaper to boot if
you go with used equipment...

"PowerHouse Communications" wrote in message
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"ALEXB" wrote in message
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OK, what is the solution for me that won't run afoul with the law? Would
a
CB radio be the one? What type of radios can I use for a two way
communications, conducted occasionally with high degree of reliability
on
demand? As I mentioned, The two points are five blocks apart downtown a
Midwestern city with a lot of structures in between. The conversations
will
(or rather, may) be done during business hours between 9:00 and 4:00
EST.
I
want to make sure that when I turned that radio on: (1) I can contact my
partner immediately (2) in any weather (3) there is minimal
interference.
As
I mentioned, it is a back up system for me. I am using VoIP phone lines
most
of the time but my office on the other end of the communication line has
to
have at least one line landbased. In any event, on a few occasions
because
of construction nearby the lines have been interrupted recently. I need
a
backup to fall onto in case of future problems.


Personally, I'd recommend the new(er) MURS band. This is license free,
and
is definitely capable of going 5 blocks. Of course, blocks are different
lengths in different locations, but either way, I wouldn't think that you
would run into any problems.

MURS consists of 5 frequencies (channels) that were once used for licensed
business communications, but are now available for public (and business)
use, license free. There are three frequencies in the 151.XXX MHz range,
and two in the 154.XXX MHz range. If you were to utilize one of the
151.XXX
MHz freqs., you would minimize your chance of interference, as the most
readily used freqs. were the 154.XXX MHz ones. This band can also utilize
CTCSS tone codes to further minimize interference.

Another plus is that there are LOTS of high quality radios on the used
market that utilize these frequencies because of the fact that they used
to
be licensed business band freqs. Do a little internet searching for MURS,
I
bet it will fit what you are looking for, and be a LOT cheaper to boot if
you go with used equipment...

Thanks, an online university for me.

"General Mobile Radio Service |nformation" wrote in
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"ALEXB" wrote in
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OK, what is the solution for me that won't run afoul with the law?
Would a CB radio be the one? What type of radios can I use for a two
way communications, conducted occasionally with high degree of
reliability on demand? As I mentioned, The two points are five blocks
apart downtown a Midwestern city with a lot of structures in between.
The conversations will (or rather, may) be done during business hours
between 9:00 and 4:00 EST. I want to make sure that when I turned that
radio on: (1) I can contact my partner immediately (2) in any weather
(3) there is minimal interference. As I mentioned, it is a back up
system for me. I am using VoIP phone lines most of the time but my
office on the other end of the communication line has to have at least
one line landbased. In any event, on a few occasions because of
construction nearby the lines have been interrupted recently. I need a
backup to fall onto in case of future problems.


See the forum on GMRS..... It is entirely possible I was wrong before....
your assessment of the regs may have been correct. A business cannot
license itdelf.... BUT if each individual IN the business licenses, THEN
it may be legal. Discussion in the other forum may clear this up..... If
I was wrong... I apologize for the error.

As for VOIP..... That has created extreme controversy in the GMRS
community. We are waiting for an FCC ruling on theis. It appears it may
be totally illegal, since rules forbid any GMRS traffic being transmitted
over phone lines.

CB is NOT the way to go for business comms. Handheld radios are bulky,
other users are rude.

The license free Family Radio Service (FRS), The Multi Use Radio Service
(MURS), or the business radio service can be used. MURS and BRS both
have expensive equipment costs. FRS is similar to GMRS, except you can
only use handhelds with a 500 mW power limit.

Regardless.... since you are now on GMRS Web, you can get your questions
answered with zero margin for error.

Thank you.

Yes, grab a cb and a BIG "Leen-e-air" (you'll be stuck with a 5-watt walkie talkie if on foot frown) and join the rest of them!!!! Go freeband (just above cb freqs, or just below if you need less populated chans--couse, you will find a lot of mexicans on these freqs.)

Really too bad you are not a ham--then you could use your 10 meter equip (like a notable number of hams do) on 11 meters--those multi-kilowatt "leen-e-airs" some of the hams bootleg with are the real key!!!

Warmest regards,
John
"ALEXB" wrote in message ...

"General Mobile Radio Service |nformation" wrote in
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"ALEXB" wrote in
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Thanks for telling me that but I think I am fine. I am not
incorporated. I have one employee. I applied as an individual. I
filled out an application on their website at
www.wireless.fcc.gov/usl/ and I do not remember if they asked me about
my business name. Anyway, I used my office address as I recall. It is
too confusing for me to understand in all its entirety since I have
too many other things to worry about.


Regardless, you still cannot use GMRS to conduct business. GMRS is
strictly for families and non-business groups. Once you ID with your
callsign as required, you open yourself up to being reported.
Nonetheless, I applaud you for getting a license That is great

OK, what is the solution for me that won't run afoul with the law? Would a
CB radio be the one? What type of radios can I use for a two way
communications, conducted occasionally with high degree of reliability on
demand? As I mentioned, The two points are five blocks apart downtown a
Midwestern city with a lot of structures in between. The conversations will
(or rather, may) be done during business hours between 9:00 and 4:00 EST. I
want to make sure that when I turned that radio on: (1) I can contact my
partner immediately (2) in any weather (3) there is minimal interference. As
I mentioned, it is a back up system for me. I am using VoIP phone lines most
of the time but my office on the other end of the communication line has to
have at least one line landbased. In any event, on a few occasions because
of construction nearby the lines have been interrupted recently. I need a
backup to fall onto in case of future problems.

Thanks

OK, what is the solution for me that won't run afoul with the law? Would a
CB radio be the one? What type of radios can I use for a two way
communications, conducted occasionally with high degree of reliability on
demand? As I mentioned, The two points are five blocks apart downtown a
Midwestern city with a lot of structures in between. The conversations will
(or rather, may) be done during business hours between 9:00 and 4:00 EST. I
want to make sure that when I turned that radio on: (1) I can contact my
partner immediately (2) in any weather (3) there is minimal interference. As
I mentioned, it is a back up system for me. I am using VoIP phone lines most
of the time but my office on the other end of the communication line has to
have at least one line landbased. In any event, on a few occasions because
of construction nearby the lines have been interrupted recently. I need a
backup to fall onto in case of future problems.

Try MURS, a Part 95 VHF radio service. It allows 2 watts, gain antennas,
and VHF works better in the simplex mode then UHF. The allowed freqs a

151.820
151.880
151.940
154.570
154.600

The last 2 are used by fast food drive thru's but are wider bandwidth
frequencies allowing more equipment to be compatable.

More info can be found at http://www.provide.net/~prsg/
just don't believe all Stewart's BS.

Try MURS, a Part 95 VHF radio service. It allows 2 watts, gain antennas,
and VHF works better in the simplex mode then UHF. The allowed freqs a

151.820
151.880
151.940
154.570
154.600

The last 2 are used by fast food drive thru's but are wider bandwidth
frequencies allowing more equipment to be compatable.

More info can be found at http://www.provide.net/~prsg/
just don't believe all Stewart's BS.

Oh yeah, don't use freqs in VHF that you aren't allowed.
There is no room to play around in that range. There are
public service freqs above and below these freqs.

Laugh at these idiots:
http://www.fcc.gov/eb/FieldNotices/2...-258870A1.html
http://www.fcc.gov/eb/FieldNotices/2...-258056A1.html

My favorite idiot to laugh at, Jack Gerritsen:
http://www.fcc.gov/eb/FieldNotices/2...-256484A1.html
http://www.fcc.gov/eb/FieldNotices/2...-255042A1.html
http://www.fcc.gov/eb/Orders/2005/DA-05-534A1.html

"Scott in Baltimore" wrote in message
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Try MURS, a Part 95 VHF radio service. It allows 2 watts, gain antennas,
and VHF works better in the simplex mode then UHF. The allowed freqs
a

151.820
151.880
151.940
154.570
154.600

The last 2 are used by fast food drive thru's but are wider bandwidth
frequencies allowing more equipment to be compatable.

More info can be found at http://www.provide.net/~prsg/
just don't believe all Stewart's BS.

Oh yeah, don't use freqs in VHF that you aren't allowed.
There is no room to play around in that range. There are
public service freqs above and below these freqs.

Laugh at these idiots:
http://www.fcc.gov/eb/FieldNotices/2...-258870A1.html
http://www.fcc.gov/eb/FieldNotices/2...-258056A1.html

My favorite idiot to laugh at, Jack Gerritsen:
http://www.fcc.gov/eb/FieldNotices/2...-256484A1.html
http://www.fcc.gov/eb/FieldNotices/2...-255042A1.html
http://www.fcc.gov/eb/Orders/2005/DA-05-534A1.html


Whoops, very interesting!

Personally, in fact, I do not have the know-how and inclination to transmit
outside of what my purchased device would do and I have no need to do it.
The channels I tried are pretty empty most of the time. Of course, the issue
of the distance is a different story, but still I doubt I would go out on
the lam with another category in a different frequency range. Still it is
kind of interesting to know. Thanks a lot. Very valuable stuff. It will get
stuck in my database forever.

A pretty dramatic world you are living in guys. I feel now I've got enough
of basic knowledge. What I really need it to pick up some slang

Thanks,

From: (Leland=A0C.=A0Scott)
On Sat, 28 May 2005 13:06:44 -0400, alexb wrote: I would take what he
said about call sign usage with a grain of salt. It's no different than
somebody telling you it's OK to do 20 over on the highway because they
never saw a cop. Yeah you might get away with it for a long time, but
sooner or later you'll get nailed.
_
Leland is confused. Contrary to what he claimed, sooner or later people
do NOT get nailed for such actions. Listen to the cb, channel 6 or any
other channel where dx is rampant. A quick peep into the records of the
FCC busts reveals the way things really are. Leland likes to cite the
exception and -not-the norm of how the feds operate. Even if you were to
get the attention of the feds and get "nailed", you must be served with
a warning notice alerting you to the violation and an order to cease the
illegal activity, as Leland's examples cite. In fact, most cited are
guilty of repeat offenses after receiving multiple warnings. The chances
of getting busted are slim to slimmer unless someone complains. Even
then, the feds must actually witness any violation before any action
other than a warning notice is issued.

"I AmnotGeorgeBush" wrote in message
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From: (Leland C. Scott)
On Sat, 28 May 2005 13:06:44 -0400, alexb wrote: I would take what he
said about call sign usage with a grain of salt. It's no different than
somebody telling you it's OK to do 20 over on the highway because they
never saw a cop. Yeah you might get away with it for a long time, but
sooner or later you'll get nailed.
_
Leland is confused. Contrary to what he claimed, sooner or later people
do NOT get nailed for such actions. Listen to the cb, channel 6 or any
other channel where dx is rampant. A quick peep into the records of the
FCC busts reveals the way things really are. Leland likes to cite the
exception and -not-the norm of how the feds operate. Even if you were to
get the attention of the feds and get "nailed", you must be served with
a warning notice alerting you to the violation and an order to cease the
illegal activity, as Leland's examples cite. In fact, most cited are
guilty of repeat offenses after receiving multiple warnings. The chances
of getting busted are slim to slimmer unless someone complains. Even
then, the feds must actually witness any violation before any action
other than a warning notice is issued.

You do not understand. Everything you said is formally correct. On a
practical level a great degree of tolerance exists in such matters. I got it
even before I posted here.

The issue for me was to learn the amplitude of trouble a person can get in,
potentially, under extreme circumstances. The license costs just $80.00
which is next to nothing for me. It is much better for me to pay 80 bucks
and forget about the matter otherwise in some extreme circumstances
somebody, not necessarily the Feds, can point their finger at me and say:
BTW, he operates a RADIO TRANSMITTER without a license or in some illegal
way.

This is the point.

On Tue, 31 May 2005 10:32:10 -0400, I AmnotGeorgeBush wrote:


Leland is confused.

Strong opinions, yes, confused, no.

Contrary to what he claimed, sooner or later people
do NOT get nailed for such actions. Listen to the cb, channel 6 or any
other channel where dx is rampant.

There's no DX in that sense on the GMRS frequencies.

A quick peep into the records of the
FCC busts reveals the way things really are. Leland likes to cite the
exception and -not-the norm of how the feds operate.

Perhaps, but he is looking to use it in a business setting. You operate
your marine rig without an FCC license by the way? And if you don't, why?
I'm just asking for the heck of it.

Even if you were to
get the attention of the feds and get "nailed", you must be served with
a warning notice alerting you to the violation and an order to cease the
illegal activity, as Leland's examples cite. In fact, most cited are
guilty of repeat offenses after receiving multiple warnings.

True enough, they do try to give people a break before they impose any
fines. The idea is to give them a chance to clean up their act. Some don't
and some plain don't care, that's when when they get to make a
contribution to the US Treasury. And if that doesn't work, then some free
room and board for several years at government expense is next. It's much
better not to let things even get to the point of a warning letter.

The chances
of getting busted are slim to slimmer unless someone complains.

This is where I have to disagree to an extend. There are licensed
users on the channels who are not going to be happy with unlicensed
operation. Remember the licensed uses "paid for their right", by receiving
a license from the FCC, to use those channels. On the combo FRS/GMRS
channels its hard to tell who is or is not licensed. On the strictly GMRS
channels any unlicensed operation is going to stick out like a sore thumb.
And the licensed people do complain to the FCC because they don't want the
sort of unlicensed activity on the combo channels spreading to the GMRS
only channels. When people have to identify themselves they tend to act
better on the air.

Even
then, the feds must actually witness any violation before any action
other than a warning notice is issued.

By the time you get the warning letter they tape recordings etc. already.
They don't issue a warning letter unless they, the FCC, is first satisfied
a violation had already occurred. Why do you think they aways request
tapes etc. from people filing a complaint with the FCC? Read some of the
FCC warning letters. You'll see where they state they have recordings etc.
already just to make a point with some violators.

Anyway he should have enough opinions by now from all sides to make an
informed choice.

Regards,

Leland C. Scott
KC8LDO