"The Magnum" wrote in message
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"jim" wrote in message
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The Magnum wrote:

One thing suprises me though. Why was New Orleans built on land that
was
under sea level?? Did no-one stop to think maybe it wasnt the best
place
to
build a sprawling city... The size the USA is surely there were much

more

sensible places to build on. The land could have possibly been used
for
farming or the like, where a natural"ish" disaster like this wouldnt

have

had the devistating effect it has.. maybe theres a reason im not aware

of

but would love to know the reason why...

Still as they say, hindsight is a very handy tool



New Orleans was not built below sea level. Over the years, due to
subsidence, it sank below sea level. Many other major cities around the
world are now in the same or very similar situations. When you pump
water
and hydrocarbons from beneath you, what do you expect to happen? Duh!




I fail to see where the Duh comes from. You think it was a silly
question? I
asked to find out why as i dont know. So your saying New Orleans has
pumping
stations sucking out natural resources from beneath the city are you? I
havnt a clue as i dont live there so i ask the question as we have been
told
on numerous occasions from the News that NO is below sea level.
Besides which i thought, and i maybe wrong, that when oil was pumped
out
of
the wells in the oil fields its replaced by sea water not just left
empty.
Also id find it absolutely amazing if a city the size of NO has
suddenly
sunk over the past 100 yrs or so with the theory you propose. Or are
you
one
of these people who go on about the ozone layer and we'll all be
underwater
in the next 200 yrs as the ice caps will melt due to global
warming.....
What a load of old b$%%$cks that is. I do agree though that we need to
find
new sources of energy as our natural supplies can only last a finite
time
before anyone chucks that comment in.


its amazing that people dont realize what hydrocarbons and other
chemicals are doing to the atmosphere. the industrial revolution in the
uk caused cities (birmingham for example) to become black with soot.
since then how many millions of tons of particulates have been expended
and people believe it has no effect? the adirondack park north of me has
many lakes devoid of fish due to the acid rain from the midwest coal
firing plants. c'mon graham, fossil fuels like the iron maiden will come
and go. good riddance.

Fossil fuels will go, i agree. Im all for nucular power if theres a way it
can be handled safely. At the moment i still think were in our infancy but
because of "do gooders" continually bleating about its possible effects
the
research done on it isnt sufficiant. We all know the natural fuels like
coal
and oil will run out. My arguement is about this irreversable global
effect
everyone goes on about with doom and gloom. Many cities were inundated
with
smog and industruial plants managed by money making companys will always
happen but will recover. Think about all the crap that was thrown about in
Prehistoric times and our planet recovered. In fact it recovered perfectly
well.
Remember the long hot summer of 76.... in the UK it was so hot for weeks
it
was amazing... Apart from the odd day here and there its never repeated
itself.
The other disbelief i had was when the guy earlier said New Orleans sank
under sea level due to continual pumping.... i dont believe that for a
minute.
Nice to discuss this in a civilised way though..
Good on you Jim



http://www.geology.ucdavis.edu/~cowe...ubsidence.html

http://www.geology.ucdavis.edu/~cowe...ubsidence.html


Interesting reading for the part. That said NO was still expanded to land
that had been reclaimed by building Levvys and draining the water so it cant
be just put down to subsidance although i will agree it must take some part
in it.
Thank you for taking time in posting the link

From: (The=A0Magnum)
"I AmnotGeorgeBush" wrote in message
... From:
(The Magnum)
When New Orleans was "established" it
wasn't below sea level. A
lot of the present day city was built below sea
level. Some engineer had the bright idea of
pumping it out to extend the size of the city.
Yes, New Orleans has sunk over the past 100
or so years, along with the levees.
Check out this USGS document:
http://dels.nas.edu/dr/docs/burkett.pdf

(I see this as a college student type document

to try to explain what might happen with

predicted change in patterns caused by global
warming etc. Ive seen all sorts of "expert"

predictions and possible results many times

and they all seemed to have valid background

theory but in reality.. like most things on paper
looked good but with no REAL SOLID proof

figures, statistics and charts can be made to

say anything. The figure of 9mm subsidence

per year equates to 90cm over 100 years, or

3ft. )
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I concur with the above poster regarding the provided text. Glaciers
melt faster than that.

Looking on a few sites so far i have concluded
that the original part of NO was built above

sea level whereas as it was expanded they

drained out the water after building levies so it

was under sea level when built..

Yup,,that's confirmed.

It averages between 12ft above to a couple of

feet below on the whole.. unless the site i was

looking at was wrong.

The thing is that studies into possible future

events are just that.. studies to what might

happen, often depicting the worst case

scenario. You should have seen the" Cable

and Wireless experts" carefully worked out

growth of the internet. The one that made

them decide to drop Hong Kong Telecom and

go with an offshore net provider... the shares

were at =A315 each and after the net crash in

growth (although it is rising but nothing like

these "experts" predictions) they are now

worth around =A31.50.

Sort of like our breakup of the Bell system that took place years ago.
Promises of cheaper rates, but the opposite took place.



So much for the experts growth predictions

there... and this was a global thing.

No doubt,,,can you say "dot com"?

Governments do all kinds of surveys and

projections to how things might go and a lot of

them its a great way to raise revenues

whereas no one knows the real possible

outcome until it happens and then of coure its

too late. Its like the Asian Bird flu and Mad

cow disease. Only a very few people have

died of so called related symptoms.


Yea, well that number is intentionally undereported,,,at least in the
US. Officially, the CDC claims no deaths occurred here from the Bovine
plague, but that's "officially" wrong.

Like in the 70's for us it was Rabies coming

across from europe.

For us it was the Swine Flu in the seventies.

How many people have died from rabies??

Now compair those figures with people who

have died with drink related problems or

cancer through smoking... yet theres nothing

really done to stop these things because its a

huge money maker in taxes for the

government. They put up taxes saying its to

persuede many of us to give up as its too

expensive.. what a load of cobblers... they put

the tax there because they know they can

make a mint out of it, like alcohol tax, even car
tax.

US is same way.

They sneakily shoved an extra =A35 on it per 6

months saying it was to help out with

greenhouse gasses... complete lies.

I live on the east coast of the UK and from

when i was a kid the sea level hasnt risen at

all.

Actually, what we have here is a shrinkage of the shore, due to erosion.
In the north toward the pole, many villages record the shrinkage of the
polar ice cap and the yearly continual shrinkage of glaciers near where
they live.

Surely it would have as its the North sea and

were talking about 40 years.. some predictions
ive seen say it could happen in our lifetime...

yea right...


I've personally witnessed the marvel of mother nature, from earthquakes
to hurricanes, tornados and tropical storms, extreme heat and extreme
cold to forest fires started by lightning to flash floods and draughts
to dust storms. I've learned never to underestimate or second guess
mother nature. She can be your best frind and guide, but she can also
kill you like the bitch she can sometimes be.


Has anyone actually stopped to consider the

hole in the Ozone layer is actually naturally

occuring and if it wasnt there we would be all

stifled? A lot of the different weather

conditions people are saying "it was never like
this when i was a lad" are probably forgetting

what it was really like.




Probably a little of both.


On the odd occasion things are going to

combine to cause "freak" conditions which do

look bad. In 1953 my town was flooded and

people lost their lives.. they said then it was

caused by the rising sea and glaciers melting

so on... it wasnt.. it was caused by tidal

conditions caused by a high moon and a

storm which hapened at the same time.

Its never flooded since... Anyways... dont be

alarmed and sleep well tonight )


I rest easy. Type B's live much longer. Like I said,,you can't fight
mother nature, so why worry about her? All you can do is prepare ( in
some events) and not muck the earth up anymore than we have...and that's
a whole lotta muckin'! Take 'er ez.