On Wed, 30 Nov 2005 17:55:17 -0000, "The Magnum"
wrote:


"DrDeath" wrote in message
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"The Magnum" wrote in message
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wrote in message
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I believe you can no longer sell, trade or give away 23 channel
radios,
but you _can_ sell the microphone and leave the radio attached!

An individual can still sell or buy a 23 channel radio from another
individual.

The thing is why would you want a 23 channel radio? Collectors I can
understand but not an average CB user. I see a few from time to time on
sale
on eBay and some fetch reasonable money. I remember back in the UK in
1980
a
lad lived across the road from my then girlfriend and he had a 23
channel
radio. We always went to channel 24 just to wind him up... I guess im
just
evil.. lol.

Regards,
Graham

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Radio is only a Hobby. Don't let it rule your life...

73's - Graham



I hate to say it, but I have several 23 channel radios. My favorite of the
bunch is my cam 89 with turner +3. But not everyone has a pile of radios
piled in the corner.

Yes but you obviously collect them and don't use them. Nothing wrong with
that. In fact I guess there's nothing wrong with running a 23 channel rig
but for someone earlier to say there's nothing ever been produced since 23
channel rigs that's any good gave me a good laugh. In fact I just had to
stop typing as I was laughing some more just thinking about it.. lolol

Regards,
Graham

No actually I said its better than some of the new junk out
there, not nothing that has ever been produced since 23 channel rigs.
If you weren't so busy laughing and LOL'ing you just might be able to
quote correctly. I never stated which 23 channel rig I was comparing
to the new radios. Are you that up on the radios that you can state
that all the new radios are better than my 23 channel radio?
In fact I just had to stop typing as I was laughing some more just
thinking about it.. lolol

Regards
Lancer

"Lancer" wrote in message
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On Wed, 30 Nov 2005 17:55:17 -0000, "The Magnum"
wrote:


"DrDeath" wrote in message
...
"The Magnum" wrote in message
...
wrote in message
...

I believe you can no longer sell, trade or give away 23 channel
radios,
but you _can_ sell the microphone and leave the radio attached!

An individual can still sell or buy a 23 channel radio from another
individual.

The thing is why would you want a 23 channel radio? Collectors I can
understand but not an average CB user. I see a few from time to time
on
sale
on eBay and some fetch reasonable money. I remember back in the UK in
1980
a
lad lived across the road from my then girlfriend and he had a 23
channel
radio. We always went to channel 24 just to wind him up... I guess im
just
evil.. lol.

Regards,
Graham

--
---------------
Radio is only a Hobby. Don't let it rule your life...

73's - Graham



I hate to say it, but I have several 23 channel radios. My favorite of
the
bunch is my cam 89 with turner +3. But not everyone has a pile of
radios
piled in the corner.

Yes but you obviously collect them and don't use them. Nothing wrong with
that. In fact I guess there's nothing wrong with running a 23 channel rig
but for someone earlier to say there's nothing ever been produced since
23
channel rigs that's any good gave me a good laugh. In fact I just had to
stop typing as I was laughing some more just thinking about it.. lolol

Regards,
Graham

No actually I said its better than some of the new junk out
there, not nothing that has ever been produced since 23 channel rigs.
If you weren't so busy laughing and LOL'ing you just might be able to
quote correctly. I never stated which 23 channel rig I was comparing
to the new radios. Are you that up on the radios that you can state
that all the new radios are better than my 23 channel radio?
In fact I just had to stop typing as I was laughing some more just
thinking about it.. lolol

Regards
Lancer

Lancer my friend, you said in your previous statement the "new junk out
there". If you have a 23 channel radio then "Anything" that has 40ch is a
newer rig (Junk) it was you that wasn't being specific. I personally would
only use them for doorstops but were all different so if your happy sitting
there with your 23 channels mate you go for it.
Pardon me while I chuckle to the others on channel 24 ;o)

Regards,
Graham
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73's - Graham (www.open-channel.co.uk)

Lancer my friend, you said in your previous statement the "new junk out
there". If you have a 23 channel radio then "Anything" that has 40ch is a
newer rig (Junk) it was you that wasn't being specific. I personally
would
only use them for doorstops but were all different so if your happy
sitting
there with your 23 channels mate you go for it.
Pardon me while I chuckle to the others on channel 24 ;o)

Regards,
Graham

Magnum my friend, I said some of the new junk out there, not all of
it. Note the word "some". Feel free to chuckle to the others on 24.
You felt the need to laugh at my expense because I like using my 23
channel radio, feel free, your not the first one. Please don't
misquote or read into what I posted.

I laughed because it was funny. You can laugh at me if you like, it's of
little consequence. Why take it personally.

Regards,
Graham

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Radio is only a Hobby. Don't let it rule your life...

73's - Graham (www.open-channel.co.uk)

"Lancer" wrote in message
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On Thu, 1 Dec 2005 15:41:20 -0000, "The Magnum"
wrote:

Lancer my friend, you said in your previous statement the "new junk
out
there". If you have a 23 channel radio then "Anything" that has 40ch
is a
newer rig (Junk) it was you that wasn't being specific. I personally
would
only use them for doorstops but were all different so if your happy
sitting
there with your 23 channels mate you go for it.
Pardon me while I chuckle to the others on channel 24 ;o)

Regards,
Graham

Magnum my friend, I said some of the new junk out there, not all of
it. Note the word "some". Feel free to chuckle to the others on 24.
You felt the need to laugh at my expense because I like using my 23
channel radio, feel free, your not the first one. Please don't
misquote or read into what I posted.

I laughed because it was funny. You can laugh at me if you like, it's of
little consequence. Why take it personally.

Regards,
Graham

I didn't...

That's good then. Is your 23ch CB one with a cooker dial? Im not sure if
they all were or if there was a few LED readout before they changed to 40Ch?
I used to have an old Alan K350B I think it was which was quite a large 40ch
radio and that had a cooker dial so maybe there's a few out there of both
types.

Regards,
Graham

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Radio is only a Hobby. Don't let it rule your life...

73's - Graham (www.open-channel.co.uk)

And homebrewed. During the late sixties and even into the early
seventies, many ops were running rigs homebrewed in the fifties.
Yup although I never knew any in the late 60's, other than amps. I had a
home brewed 6146 x2 and built a power supply for it from the '70 ARRL
handbook as it was just the rf deck.
I had a friend, also now a ham since '70, who had a home built amp with 4
572b's and a 4kv pwr supply. Gee, that was fun to run into a 5 element Cb
Longjohn!! He had a set of Drake twins back then to drive it.

Congrats.
.....Thanks
I am in support of all CB ops who want to

become hams unlike many others.


Many? Name two, just two of the "many" you purport do not support cb ops
who have expressed a desire to get licensed. You're full of biased ****.
Of course, you could always prove me wrong by illustrating two of the
farcical "many" you claim do not support cb'ers seeking to get licensed.

.....You are the one full of ****! Go to QRZ.com and check out the many
threads regarding issues related to this and see what you think!! I am only
too aware of all the orthodox hams out there!

Soon the code will be dropped and it will be

easy to get a license.


It's easy to get a license now.

....Compared to when I got my (had them all) licenses it sure as hell is!!
Try taking them in an FCC office when you know the engineer in charge has
had complaints in the past about you bootlegging on CB!

GOOD! The more hams the better!

Being of the mindset that code prevents
cb'ers from getting licensed is your right, but it's not correct and
serves only to illustrate your own difficulty and prejudices concerning
cw.
Now, about this "many" of which you speak....
....Trust me I can copy quite well. Contest speed is about 30 wpm, chit chat
is about 20-23 wpm. I prefer to use CW for working DX or contests, but not
so much for chit chat Q's. I am not by any means anti-cw. I just do not
think proficiency in it suggests you will be sort of a "squared away ham".
Nor do I think CW will die away. I do not find it to be either a reliable or
valid indicator of overall proficiency in ham radio. Perhaps you think it
would be best to have a typing test as an element for ham tests? No? Why
not? RTTY, various digital modes such as PSK-31, all require typing to some
degree. Hell! If you can't type you are gonna have a hard time competing in
contests (should you desire to)! You pretty much have to be able to type
well to log maybe 1000 Q's in a weekend contest into a logging program. It
is not that Morse prevents CB'ers from becoming hams! Myself and several
friends are sufficient proof of that! It is clearly the mindset of the
learner that prevents them learning it and geetting a license! That is not
the issue to me. My opinion is that there are more important things to know
than Morse to get started in ham radio. "Many" only means a large number,
numerous as defined by Mr. Webster. Pretty subjective definition don't you
think?? It doesn't mean most or an overwhelming number, or even 51 percent,
just "a lot". CUL in KW alley! _._

//snip//

Many? Name two, just two of the "many" you purport do not support cb ops
who have expressed a desire to get licensed. You're full of biased ****.
Of course, you could always prove me wrong by illustrating two of the
farcical "many" you claim do not support cb'ers seeking to get licensed.

There are quite a few on this newsgroup who every day belittle people not
holding full licences, CB'ers Intermediates/M3 alike. Mind you, the fact
they are on here and not the radio makes me sometimes think are they genuine
Hams or just Trolls. If you want me to name them ill take a few hours
searching through the old threads but feel it to probably be a waste of my
time as we all know who use these groups regularly who they are.

In backing you up though ive yet to "meet" a Ham who doesn't encourage
"good" CB radio users to progress into their hobby. The negative feelings
seem to emanate from these newsgroups so I for one do not take it as
commonplace the attitude of the few in here. I genuinely hope anyone
thinking of progressing to the Amateur bands isn't put off by these Biased
few.

Regards,
Graham

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_._. _... ._. ._ _.. .. _ _ _

Radio is only a Hobby. Don't let it rule your life...

73's - Graham (www.open-channel.co.uk)

From: (Michael*Herron)
And homebrewed. During the late sixties and even into the early
seventies, many ops were running rigs homebrewed in the fifties.

Yup although I never knew any in the late

60's, other than amps. I had a

home brewed 6146 x2 and built a power

supply for it from the '70 ARRL

handbook as it was just the rf deck.

I had a friend, also now a ham since '70, who

had a home built amp with 4 572b's and a 4kv

pwr supply.


Nice juice.

Gee, that was fun to run into a 5 element Cb

Longjohn!! He had a set of Drake twins back

then to drive it.

Congrats.

....Thanks

I am in support of all CB ops who want to

become hams unlike many others.

Many? Name two, just two of the "many" you purport do not support cb ops
who have expressed a desire to get licensed. You're full of biased ****.
Of course, you could always prove me wrong by illustrating two of the
farcical "many" you claim do not support cb'ers seeking to get licensed.

....You are the one full of ****! Go to QRZ.com

and check out the many threads regarding

issues related to this and see what you think!!


You made the claim, the burden of proof is one you.

I am only too aware of all the orthodox hams

out there!


Which has nothing to do with your original claim.

Soon the code will be dropped and it will be

easy to get a license.

It's easy to get a license now.

...Compared to when I got my (had them all)

licenses it sure as hell is!! Try taking them in

an FCC office when you know the engineer in

charge has had complaints in the past about

you bootlegging on CB!


Ha! That had to chap his ass.


GOOD! The more hams the better!

Being of the mindset that code prevents
cb'ers from getting licensed is your right, but it's not correct and
serves only to illustrate your own difficulty and prejudices concerning
cw.
Now, about this "many" of which you speak....

...Trust me I can copy quite well.


I believe you.

Contest speed is about 30 wpm, chit chat is

about 20-23 wpm. I prefer to use CW for

working DX or contests, but not so much for

chit chat Q's.


Well then, we have much in common regarding dx selection.

I am not by any means anti-cw. I just do not

think proficiency in it suggests you will be sort

of a "squared away ham".


The same goes for ham licensure, period.

Nor do I think CW will die away.

Nor do I.

I do not find it to be either a reliable or valid

indicator of overall proficiency in ham radio.


Well, an indicator of advancement in the hobby is most certainly code.


Perhaps you think it would be best to have a

typing test as an element for ham tests?

Nah!

No?

Why not? RTTY, various digital modes such

as PSK-31, all require typing to some degree.


Because digital modes and apparatus isn't as fascinating to the
dx-loving oldtimers compared to simply doing it yourself with nothing
but the rig, the antenna, sky, and mother nature.

Hell! If you can't type you are gonna have a

hard time competing in contests (should you

desire to)! You pretty much have to be able to

type well to log maybe 1000 Q's in a weekend

contest into a logging program. It is not that

Morse prevents CB'ers from becoming hams!


The glass is half empty from your perspective, half full from mine.
There is no argument or contention among anyone that amateur radio
declined when the nocode ticket was introduced.

Myself and several friends are sufficient proof

of that!


The increased number of actions taken by the FCC against nocodes
compared to the number of actions taken against other class of licenses
is proof of the decline, not your personal experiences.


It is clearly the mindset of the learner that

prevents them learning it and getting a

license! That is not the issue to me. My

opinion is that there are more important things
to know than Morse to get started in ham

radio.



Yet others regard it as the foundation. Considering SOS is universal,
code can get through when no other communication will, even if one must
bang on an object. Extremely helpful in dire emergencies.

"Many" only means a large number,

numerous as defined by Mr. Webster. Pretty

subjective definition don't you think?? It

doesn't mean most or an overwhelming

number, or even 51 percent, just "a lot". CUL

in KW alley! _._

Fair enough. The matter is, there have been no reg contributors to this
group who have spoken against or try and prevented a cb'er from
obtaining a license. expressing a personal opinion of why an individual
chooses not to get licensed is not the same as speaking against another
who chooses to do so.

"I AmnotGeorgeBush" wrote in message
Being of the mindset that code prevents
cb'ers from getting licensed is your right, but it's not correct and
serves only to illustrate your own difficulty and prejudices concerning
cw.

I agree, back in the mid 70's I started studying code, what kept me from
obtaining my ham ticket was the way hams treated non hams.


The glass is half empty from your perspective, half full from mine.
There is no argument or contention among anyone that amateur radio
declined when the nocode ticket was introduced.

They could give ham tickets away for all I care. All I need is 11 meter SSB
and a 150w footwarmer.

You made the claim, the burden of proof is one you.
Touche!! You got me there! I yield!

I am only too aware of all the orthodox hams

out there!
Which has nothing to do with your original claim.

Ok, Let me rephrase my statement. Perhaps I was hasty in how I tried to
convey what I was thinking. I shall try to restate my position.
I am supportive of all those who wish to get a ham license regardless of the
class of license they wish to obtain, what they have to learn to get it, how
well they actually do on the "test", or whether they are electronics
engineers or from CB, bootleggers or otherwise. I recognize that there are
those who belittle nocodes, or those who are of a lesser priviledged license
class than themselves and certainly cb'ers. Incentive licensing should have
never happened IMHO as it seems to create a sort of caste system or
mentalilty among at least some (as opposed to "many" HA!) hams. These people
make too much noise so perhaps they are attributed with numbers in the
"many" catagory. I would like to see "many" cb'ers become hams as I would
like to see more activity on bands when they are not open as happens on cb
although there is not much choice about that if cb is the only band you
operate on. I know many cool openings are missed as usually no one is much
on the bands that are not open. I don't care if they still use cb or not
once licensed. It is all a hobby not a religion, or a way of life, so there
should be a lot of latitude given to those who participate. My roots are in
cb radio and I had a fairly short but good time there and still have 6 close
friends that went to ham radio more or less when I did in 1970. I can lookup
alls for about a dozen cb'ers from the late 60's that also became hams that
I just haven't kept in touch with. Three of us used to have callsigns that
were sequential which was fun for a while. There are certainly some aspects
of cb operating that SHOULD be imported to ham radio. You will have better
luck getting travel info on cb than a 2 meter repeater!! Cb has it all over
ham radio for local mobile operating mostly due to numbers of mobile
operators. You can't find out what the traffic jam is all about on a 2 meter
repeater very often, or what freeway conditions are like before you decide
to jump on the interstate. I could go on but will save you from more of my
rambling!

Soon the code will be dropped and it will be

easy to get a license.

It's easy to get a license now.

...Compared to when I got my (had them all)

licenses it sure as hell is!! Try taking them in

an FCC office when you know the engineer in

charge has had complaints in the past about

you bootlegging on CB!


Ha! That had to chap his ass.
Perhaps but I think he was glad! We were out of his hair really. my other
two buddies had been called by him (his name was Deitz) and he suggested
that they get ham licenses and why they should. He never called me! What was
I?? Chopped Liver?? Scared one of them to death with that call! He got rid
of his cb ( Midland 13-880), amp (Hygain(?) Afterburner) and took the
antenna down. He sure learned the code fast!!




I am not by any means anti-cw. I just do not

think proficiency in it suggests you will be sort

of a "squared away ham".


The same goes for ham licensure, period.
True story!

Nor do I think CW will die away.

Nor do I.

I do not find it to be either a reliable or valid

indicator of overall proficiency in ham radio.


Well, an indicator of advancement in the hobby is most certainly code.
I was thinking more in terms of just being sort of forced to learn it.

Perhaps you think it would be best to have a

typing test as an element for ham tests?

Nah!
GOOD! I can't type worth a dang!

Because digital modes and apparatus isn't as fascinating to the
dx-loving oldtimers compared to simply doing it yourself with nothing
but the rig, the antenna, sky, and mother nature.
Touche!

Hell! If you can't type you are gonna have a

hard time competing in contests (should you

desire to)! You pretty much have to be able to

type well to log maybe 1000 Q's in a weekend

contest into a logging program. It is not that

Morse prevents CB'ers from becoming hams!


The glass is half empty from your perspective, half full from mine.
There is no argument or contention among anyone that amateur radio
declined when the nocode ticket was introduced.

Not sure I understand that one correctly


Myself and several friends are sufficient proof

of that!


The increased number of actions taken by the FCC against nocodes
compared to the number of actions taken against other class of licenses
is proof of the decline, not your personal experiences.
Not sure if it proves a decline. Could it be that there is a larger influx
of new
no code hams and the actions taken against them is proportionate to what it
was before?
I was just saying that Morse itself does not prevent cb'ers or anyone else
from becoming a ham, it is more their state of mind about spending the time
and effort to get it down that gets in the way.



It is clearly the mindset of the learner that

prevents them learning it and getting a

license! That is not the issue to me. My

opinion is that there are more important things
to know than Morse to get started in ham

radio.



Yet others regard it as the foundation. Considering SOS is universal,
code can get through when no other communication will, even if one must
bang on an object. Extremely helpful in dire emergencies.

Yes they do, but not sure they should.


"Many" only means a large number,

numerous as defined by Mr. Webster. Pretty

subjective definition don't you think?? It

doesn't mean most or an overwhelming

number, or even 51 percent, just "a lot". CUL

in KW alley! _._

Fair enough. The matter is, there have been no reg contributors to this
group who have spoken against or try and prevented a cb'er from
obtaining a license. expressing a personal opinion of why an individual
chooses not to get licensed is not the same as speaking against another
who chooses to do so.

Likely the case, I am not a regular here so will yield to your knowledge of
that.
Of course this is rec.radio cb so I would imagine most here have some
positive
interest in cb so I would think that there would not be a whole lot of
posts that
are negative about cb or do cb bashing.
Your points are well taken, I like your style, you speak your mind! You
challenged me
to support my position or surrender it. I tried to meet you halfway and
revise it anyway!
You present things well, and I gotta think about it because of it. I could
talk to you for hours
on the radio about this stuff! I sure never spent this much time on QRZ.com
getting involved in a discussion!! See ya in the pileups!

Even if you were to state "all of the junk out there" it would not be a
mutually inclusive statement. It would not include all radios, just all
radios that are "junk" how you define junk
would be the problem! There are some really well built 40 channel rigs like
Tram, SBE to name a few. SBE had a couple early 40 channel "cooker dial"
radios not sure who else. That is a lot of little bitty channel numbers on a
dial!!! I do not recall any 23 channel radios with LED displays but there
may have been some. There were several early 23 channel radios with what
used to be called 22a and 22b channels in them. You often had to carefully
turn the dial between ch. 22 and 23 to catch the spot on the rotary switch
to be there. For a time, there was a PA spot between ch 22 and 23. This was
to disable the in between channels by giving the switch spot something else
to do. 24 position rotary switches were commonly available so were used
instead of a 23 position switch early on at least. I think the Lafayette 525
and Courier 23 were a couple of them. In the mid seventies every one wanted
apiece of the CB craze action and jumped in. Quality took an overall big
dive in the industry. I never had anyone complain about the Cobra radios The
19, 21 and 29 were very good radios if not the best in their price range.
Around here in the Seattle area there is not much activity on CB. In the
evening there are a bunch of ops on channel 8 (who mostly argue and threaten
each other) and that is about it. There is some scattered activity on
occassion but the regulars are all on ch. 8. Pretty sad compared to the
amount of activity on the late sixties! There were large groups on several
channels back then depending on the area you were in and operating
interests. It was very rich in "CB culture" back then. The only Cb I still
have is a Lafayette 625 mobile radio. It has a REAL receiver in it. Good
filtering, good adjacent channel rejection. The 23 channel radios are just
fun and memorable to me. I would like a Courier Royale or a Tram Titan 2 if
I were to become active on CB again.

Magnum my friend, I said some of the new junk out there, not all of
it. Note the word "some". Feel free to chuckle to the others on 24.
You felt the need to laugh at my expense because I like using my 23
channel radio, feel free, your not the first one. Please don't
misquote or read into what I posted.

I laughed because it was funny. You can laugh at me if you like, it's of
little consequence. Why take it personally.

Regards,
Graham

I didn't...

That's good then. Is your 23ch CB one with a cooker dial? Im not sure if
they all were or if there was a few LED readout before they changed to
40Ch?
I used to have an old Alan K350B I think it was which was quite a large
40ch
radio and that had a cooker dial so maybe there's a few out there of both
types.

Regards,
Graham

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Radio is only a Hobby. Don't let it rule your life...

73's - Graham (www.open-channel.co.uk)