My first attempt at installing SP2 resulted in disaster. This was made more
complicated as my wife uses this PC for collage. Needless to say, I had to
pull an all nighter getting it back to a usable state.

I've always installed, activated the ran the network admin version
of SP2. That's the one that's 266MB. I also install MP10 from disk.
Then I go to windowsupdate.microsoft.com and get finished updating.

I also install DirectX9.0C from disk before hitting WU. BTW, there
is now a new version of DirectX. It's a SDK. I needed that to install
video Skype on W2K.

Dr.Death wrote:

"Paul Johnson" wrote in message
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Scott in Baltimore wrote:
Like in my picture, http://www.geocities.com/scott_unit_69/fans.JPG
where the air is being blown into the fins to draw heat out quickly.

Yes, that's what I'm talking about there.

That's what I want to do only using CPU fans, but I don't want them
protruding from the bottom.

Unfortunately with heatsinks and adding fans, you can't have your cake and
eat it too if the manufacturer of the heatsink didn't cast it with
installing a fan in mind. The best you can do is get a fan whose frame is
as close to the size of the heatsink's footprint as possible and screw it
into the fins.

That's why I thought about insetting then into
the heatsink. I think I may be able to mount them with the CPU heatsink
directly to the pills, but I would need to do some measuring to make sure
I can mount them without shorting anything out.

Don't jury rig your cooling, do it right. You're probably going to have to
custom-order the heatsinks to be the right size for your application.

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Scott in Baltimore wrote:

Or not. I can go into any store and pick out almost any hardware, plug
it
in, and it Just Works(tm). No screwing around with chasing down drivers:
It either Just Works(tm), or rarely, Just Doesn't. I'm an NT
administrator: It's a pain in the ass to get hardware to work under
windows compared to Linux these days.

NT is old stuff. 2000 works great and XP knows all the hardware.

2000 and XP *is* NT (and even Windows itself in the registry and some other
places refer to those versions as NT5 and NT6 respectively). And no, it
doesn't know all the hardware. If I plug something in with Windows, I've
only got about a 1 in 3 chance of it working, and even less if the machine
is not online and can't hit Windows Update to find a driver. And even at
that point, there's probably some finagling involved to make it work as
advertised or securely (well, as securely as Windows can do anything, and
keeping Windows secure is a fulltime job in itself...).

Debian works spot on on the first try for the vast majority of hardware it
supports, without going through driver hell. Plug, and you're done.

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Scott in Baltimore wrote:

Of course XP Home ****ed me off when it wanted to reactive after a week of
testing hardware.

Gah, I have that problem in Pro at work from time to time if I have to
upgrade a system too much. I can't imagine what would posses them to
implement such a draconian enforcement strategy unless they have zero
respect for their paying customers.

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"Paul Johnson" wrote in message


Another Canadian bear that thinks his way is the only way.

"Paul Johnson" wrote in message
...
Scott in Baltimore wrote:

Or not. I can go into any store and pick out almost any hardware, plug
it
in, and it Just Works(tm). No screwing around with chasing down
drivers:
It either Just Works(tm), or rarely, Just Doesn't. I'm an NT
administrator: It's a pain in the ass to get hardware to work under
windows compared to Linux these days.

NT is old stuff. 2000 works great and XP knows all the hardware.

2000 and XP *is* NT (and even Windows itself in the registry and some
other
places refer to those versions as NT5 and NT6 respectively). And no, it
doesn't know all the hardware. If I plug something in with Windows, I've
only got about a 1 in 3 chance of it working, and even less if the machine
is not online and can't hit Windows Update to find a driver. And even at
that point, there's probably some finagling involved to make it work as
advertised or securely (well, as securely as Windows can do anything, and
keeping Windows secure is a fulltime job in itself...).

Debian works spot on on the first try for the vast majority of hardware it
supports, without going through driver hell. Plug, and you're done.

--
Paul Johnson

Even with Microsoft's own products I have problems with installation. I have
a Microsoft wireless keyboard and mouse that I cannot get to work properly.
The keyboard will work but the mouse is sporadic at best.

"Paul Johnson" wrote in message
...
Dr.Death wrote:

"Paul Johnson" wrote in message
...
Scott in Baltimore wrote:
Like in my picture, http://www.geocities.com/scott_unit_69/fans.JPG
where the air is being blown into the fins to draw heat out quickly.

Yes, that's what I'm talking about there.

That's what I want to do only using CPU fans, but I don't want them
protruding from the bottom.

Unfortunately with heatsinks and adding fans, you can't have your cake and
eat it too if the manufacturer of the heatsink didn't cast it with
installing a fan in mind. The best you can do is get a fan whose frame is
as close to the size of the heatsink's footprint as possible and screw it
into the fins.

That's why I thought about insetting then into
the heatsink. I think I may be able to mount them with the CPU heatsink
directly to the pills, but I would need to do some measuring to make sure
I can mount them without shorting anything out.

Don't jury rig your cooling, do it right. You're probably going to have
to
custom-order the heatsinks to be the right size for your application.

--
Paul Johnson

Actually it is an EB63 that I built and the heat sink I used is massive.
Looks like the one Texas Star uses on their 667. I have been considering
cutting it in half, that's why I was considering the cooling fans. I think
I'll just let it be for now as I have other projects on the burner.

"Scott in Baltimore" wrote in message
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"Paul Johnson" wrote in message


Another Canadian bear that thinks his way is the only way.

Did they ever send back the person who was in the military but didn't want
to go to Iraq? I never did hear if they granted him asylum or not.