I think you need to start taking your medications again. Your head
must be about ready to explode with so much blood out of circulation.

Anyone who thinks FEMA needs Hams to do its job is severely
crippled in the brain department. They laugh when a bunch of old
men show up with their talkies to help in an emergency, and to get
them off their back, they assign them to the chuck wagons, or water-boy
stations. FEMA is equipped to drive into any town and blow away
any problem. That one rig they have can instantly hook-up to the national
infrastructure outside the disaster area, that Hams are left scratching their
asses.

Hams missed the boat on microsats. They were the first in space with that
concept, and then they threw it away, and spent all their money (millions)
on the Phase-III pig that is mostly off on any pass over the US.

I've asked at our club how many are going to buy the AOR digital
voice modem (designed by a UK Ham), and they all just laughed and
asked what could it do that our repeater or BBS can't! After telling
them how it would improve long distance communications, and voice
quality in the same space as SSB, they just shrugged. Who cares!
SSB is good enough they said. Hoo-rah said the amen corner...

Sorry, Mr. Director, it's a dead hobby. Made up of dead people in line
to get their SK award from the ARRL (who hasn't changed leadership
in 20+ years).

Gene, ex-Ham

"charlesb" wrote

Tell you what, Gene... I'll send an note to the Dept of Homeland Security
and see how they feel about people deliberately interfering with hams trying
to provide alternative, independent emergency communications capability.

"Jeff Camp" wrote in message
news:_h0lb.21760$iq3.493@okepread01...
I'm not sure what you mean by "generic." In order to effect change, you
need to be specific. In order to initiate legislation or court directives,
you have to be precise in what you're asking for. I'm volunteering to help
you in your cause if you are serious.


Oh my!
A PEDANTIC and LEGALISTIC Land Line Lid at that!
"I'm going to screw up your network and you can't stop me, nyah nyah!"

--

... Hank

Hank: http://horedson.home.att.net
W0RLI: http://w0rli.home.att.net

"Jeff Camp" wrote in message
news:_h0lb.21760$iq3.493@okepread01...
I'm not sure what you mean by "generic." In order to effect change, you
need to be specific. In order to initiate legislation or court directives,
you have to be precise in what you're asking for. I'm volunteering to help
you in your cause if you are serious.


Oh my!
A PEDANTIC and LEGALISTIC Land Line Lid at that!
"I'm going to screw up your network and you can't stop me, nyah nyah!"

--

... Hank

Hank: http://horedson.home.att.net
W0RLI: http://w0rli.home.att.net

I don't think you've ever been to a drag strip old man, so I'll
pass on trying to figure out what the hell you're whining about now.

"Hank Oredson" wrote

What do you think about the guys who bring jet airplanes
to the meet and then tell you your racers are boring, slow,
and the wave of the future is airplanes. Then he gets all over
the strip and won't go away and you don't get to race anymore.

I don't think you've ever been to a drag strip old man, so I'll
pass on trying to figure out what the hell you're whining about now.

"Hank Oredson" wrote

What do you think about the guys who bring jet airplanes
to the meet and then tell you your racers are boring, slow,
and the wave of the future is airplanes. Then he gets all over
the strip and won't go away and you don't get to race anymore.

No, Hank. I just know that if you want to win the game, you have to do more
than stand on the side and take pot shots at the other team. You probably
don't have the mental horsepower to remember, but the last time you and I
had this discussion was on packet. My messages to you were going out the hf
port on my fbb system to W8AKF and your replies were going through about a
dozen internet hops to get back to my system through WB0TAX. Looks like I
had a better rf path than you did.

If you don't like something, do something about it. Don't just sit around
and whine.

73,
Jeff
N0WJP


"Hank Oredson" wrote in message
...

"Jeff Camp" wrote in message
news:_h0lb.21760$iq3.493@okepread01...
I'm not sure what you mean by "generic." In order to effect change, you
need to be specific. In order to initiate legislation or court
directives,
you have to be precise in what you're asking for. I'm volunteering to
help
you in your cause if you are serious.


Oh my!
A PEDANTIC and LEGALISTIC Land Line Lid at that!
"I'm going to screw up your network and you can't stop me, nyah nyah!"

--

... Hank

Hank: http://horedson.home.att.net
W0RLI: http://w0rli.home.att.net

No, Hank. I just know that if you want to win the game, you have to do more
than stand on the side and take pot shots at the other team. You probably
don't have the mental horsepower to remember, but the last time you and I
had this discussion was on packet. My messages to you were going out the hf
port on my fbb system to W8AKF and your replies were going through about a
dozen internet hops to get back to my system through WB0TAX. Looks like I
had a better rf path than you did.

If you don't like something, do something about it. Don't just sit around
and whine.

73,
Jeff
N0WJP


"Hank Oredson" wrote in message
...

"Jeff Camp" wrote in message
news:_h0lb.21760$iq3.493@okepread01...
I'm not sure what you mean by "generic." In order to effect change, you
need to be specific. In order to initiate legislation or court
directives,
you have to be precise in what you're asking for. I'm volunteering to
help
you in your cause if you are serious.


Oh my!
A PEDANTIC and LEGALISTIC Land Line Lid at that!
"I'm going to screw up your network and you can't stop me, nyah nyah!"

--

... Hank

Hank: http://horedson.home.att.net
W0RLI: http://w0rli.home.att.net

"Jeff Camp" wrote in message
news:xS0lb.21852$iq3.776@okepread01...
No, Hank. I just know that if you want to win the game,

What game? Why would I want to "win"?

you have to do more

I don't "have to" do anything.

than stand on the side and take pot shots at the other team. You probably
don't have the mental horsepower to remember, but the last time you and I
had this discussion was on packet. My messages to you were going out the hf
port on my fbb system to W8AKF and your replies were going through about a
dozen internet hops to get back to my system through WB0TAX. Looks like I
had a better rf path than you did.

My replies went directly to N0RVX. Right near you.
Why wouldn't he forward to you? Guess ...
You know all that, but you lie about it.

If you don't like something, do something about it. Don't just sit around
and whine.

Why? Seems you have not paid attention to what I've been doing
the past 5 years or so. Sharp stick. Poke in eye of Land Line Lid

Ya killed the RF network, good for you. Why should I care?

--

... Hank

Hank: http://horedson.home.att.net
W0RLI: http://w0rli.home.att.net

"Jeff Camp" wrote in message
news:xS0lb.21852$iq3.776@okepread01...
No, Hank. I just know that if you want to win the game,

What game? Why would I want to "win"?

you have to do more

I don't "have to" do anything.

than stand on the side and take pot shots at the other team. You probably
don't have the mental horsepower to remember, but the last time you and I
had this discussion was on packet. My messages to you were going out the hf
port on my fbb system to W8AKF and your replies were going through about a
dozen internet hops to get back to my system through WB0TAX. Looks like I
had a better rf path than you did.

My replies went directly to N0RVX. Right near you.
Why wouldn't he forward to you? Guess ...
You know all that, but you lie about it.

If you don't like something, do something about it. Don't just sit around
and whine.

Why? Seems you have not paid attention to what I've been doing
the past 5 years or so. Sharp stick. Poke in eye of Land Line Lid

Ya killed the RF network, good for you. Why should I care?

--

... Hank

Hank: http://horedson.home.att.net
W0RLI: http://w0rli.home.att.net

"Jeff Camp" wrote in message
news:xS0lb.21852$iq3.776@okepread01...

If you don't like something, do something about it. Don't just sit around
and whine.


Yes, that is precisely the attitude of packet networkers who simply refuse
to allow non-ham links within their network. It works every time, too! The
LandLine Lids get shut out - and all of a sudden, they are not such a
problem anymore. Things start working better.

This has demonstrated that as hams, we can self-police this problem in the
US very effectively. Still, a federal prohibition on inteference by persons
hooking up unwanted non-ham links within an amateur radio network would
still be a good idea.

Only the packet networks that ban non-ham links are currently growing and
advancing, so it's just a matter of time, as they say... ;-) Still,
we should not let this lead us to a complacent, tolerant attitude about what
amounts to malicious interference, especially where our ability to provide
emergency communications is being undermined.

Most of the progress so far has been made with VHF/UHF networks, but HF
still needs work and is vital to re-establishing a global all-ham radio
digital network. Hams who would like to be part of the solution in this area
should contact me at , or post at the new USPN Forum.

Right now, both the FCC and several manufacturers of amateur radio equipment
have unfavorable opinions about EchoLink and IRLP, from what I gather. Did
you read this month's Op-Ed in QST? With digital voice coming up soon, this
would be an excellent time to cut the Internet umbilical entirely so that
ham radio can resume its job of providing alternative, independent
communications. This will go far in getting the hobby back on track, while
protecting it from vandalism.

Internet forwarders are insects, parasites, blood-suckers who feed off of
and infect something several orders of magnitude greater than themselves.
Being parasites, they naturally are big proponents of the parasitic
lifestyle, frequently expressing disdain for their host and calling others
to join them in their mindless insect gluttony.

The thing they have to watch out for is Ham Radio getting irritated, and
deciding to scratch it's ass. We can do that by promoting a "No non-ham
links within a ham radio network" rule, either among ourselves through
self-policing, or more definatively through involving the federal
government. Everywhere it has been tried, it has resulted in a re-energized,
faster growing, more advanced packet radio network. You can't beat a deal
like that.

Charles Brabham, N5PVL