I'm in the process of installing JNOS 111f for Linux and have run into a
problem. When a user sends a message to another local user, the system
responds with a "Msg queued" message, but the message is never delivered.
If I log in as Sysop, I can't see any messages. If I look in the
/spool/mqueue I can see all the messages sitting there.

Anyone have any suggestions on where to start?

Thanks,
Jeff
N0WJP

"charlesb" wrote

Hope this helps!

It doesn't. Your argument is much that of a Mac user when asked
a PC question. They say buy a Mac, and then list a bunch of
generalities while bashing the PC.

"charlesb" wrote

Hope this helps!

It doesn't. Your argument is much that of a Mac user when asked
a PC question. They say buy a Mac, and then list a bunch of
generalities while bashing the PC.

"Gene Storey" wrote in message
news:5Xwkb.1932$5c2.310@okepread03...
"charlesb" wrote

Hope this helps!

It doesn't. Your argument is much that of a Mac user when asked
a PC question. They say buy a Mac, and then list a bunch of
generalities while bashing the PC.


Not really. The guy wanted to know how to get the JNOS software to behave
and I gave an honest answer as to how I would solve the problem. - I would
round-file the JNOS software, and go from there.

I used to test and review packet software, and found JNOS to be the very
lousiest excuse for packet radio software I had ever seen. Despite that, I
did manage to get it working, at least good enough so that I could test its
functionality for a fair review, so I am familiar with the unnecessary
head-aches and poor on-the-air performance this guy is putting up with.

I gave the guy a little historical info about the software he was using, and
pointed the way to more modern software that will do a better job with a lot
less trouble. I was working on the assumption that the guy was not a
masochist, but just wanted a reliable packet radio BBS that would work
without constant massaging and tinkering, or embarassing malfunctions that
lose people's messages.

I suppose that you are free to run me down for trying to help the guy out,
but notice that I won't say a single word about you being an obvious
"protocol warrior", still stuck back in the 1980's.

Charles Brabhan, N5PVL

"Gene Storey" wrote in message
news:5Xwkb.1932$5c2.310@okepread03...
"charlesb" wrote

Hope this helps!

It doesn't. Your argument is much that of a Mac user when asked
a PC question. They say buy a Mac, and then list a bunch of
generalities while bashing the PC.


Not really. The guy wanted to know how to get the JNOS software to behave
and I gave an honest answer as to how I would solve the problem. - I would
round-file the JNOS software, and go from there.

I used to test and review packet software, and found JNOS to be the very
lousiest excuse for packet radio software I had ever seen. Despite that, I
did manage to get it working, at least good enough so that I could test its
functionality for a fair review, so I am familiar with the unnecessary
head-aches and poor on-the-air performance this guy is putting up with.

I gave the guy a little historical info about the software he was using, and
pointed the way to more modern software that will do a better job with a lot
less trouble. I was working on the assumption that the guy was not a
masochist, but just wanted a reliable packet radio BBS that would work
without constant massaging and tinkering, or embarassing malfunctions that
lose people's messages.

I suppose that you are free to run me down for trying to help the guy out,
but notice that I won't say a single word about you being an obvious
"protocol warrior", still stuck back in the 1980's.

Charles Brabhan, N5PVL

Thanks for the suggestions, Charles, but FBB is the whole reason I'm looking
at JNOS. I ran it for several years and found it to be very unreliable and
unable to integrate with gateway software. I used FBB to run the local
packet BBS here in Omaha and to forward on VHF, UHF, HF, and the internet.
FBB is great for talking to other FBB systems, but not too good at talking
to anything else.

And yes, I plan to gateway this system through the internet. I'll hold on
to my ham license, though. I need it for my 10-15 hours I spend each week
on HF either on 7.261 or working cw on the low end of 40.

And speaking of obsolete systems, where would I buy a copy of DOS if I
wanted to run FBB? I haven't seen one for almost 10 years.

73,
Jeff
N0WJP


"charlesb" wrote in message
...

"Gene Storey" wrote in message
news:5Xwkb.1932$5c2.310@okepread03...
"charlesb" wrote

Hope this helps!

It doesn't. Your argument is much that of a Mac user when asked
a PC question. They say buy a Mac, and then list a bunch of
generalities while bashing the PC.


Not really. The guy wanted to know how to get the JNOS software to behave
and I gave an honest answer as to how I would solve the problem. - I would
round-file the JNOS software, and go from there.

I used to test and review packet software, and found JNOS to be the very
lousiest excuse for packet radio software I had ever seen. Despite that, I
did manage to get it working, at least good enough so that I could test
its
functionality for a fair review, so I am familiar with the unnecessary
head-aches and poor on-the-air performance this guy is putting up with.

I gave the guy a little historical info about the software he was using,
and
pointed the way to more modern software that will do a better job with a
lot
less trouble. I was working on the assumption that the guy was not a
masochist, but just wanted a reliable packet radio BBS that would work
without constant massaging and tinkering, or embarassing malfunctions that
lose people's messages.

I suppose that you are free to run me down for trying to help the guy out,
but notice that I won't say a single word about you being an obvious
"protocol warrior", still stuck back in the 1980's.

Charles Brabhan, N5PVL

Thanks for the suggestions, Charles, but FBB is the whole reason I'm looking
at JNOS. I ran it for several years and found it to be very unreliable and
unable to integrate with gateway software. I used FBB to run the local
packet BBS here in Omaha and to forward on VHF, UHF, HF, and the internet.
FBB is great for talking to other FBB systems, but not too good at talking
to anything else.

And yes, I plan to gateway this system through the internet. I'll hold on
to my ham license, though. I need it for my 10-15 hours I spend each week
on HF either on 7.261 or working cw on the low end of 40.

And speaking of obsolete systems, where would I buy a copy of DOS if I
wanted to run FBB? I haven't seen one for almost 10 years.

73,
Jeff
N0WJP


"charlesb" wrote in message
...

"Gene Storey" wrote in message
news:5Xwkb.1932$5c2.310@okepread03...
"charlesb" wrote

Hope this helps!

It doesn't. Your argument is much that of a Mac user when asked
a PC question. They say buy a Mac, and then list a bunch of
generalities while bashing the PC.


Not really. The guy wanted to know how to get the JNOS software to behave
and I gave an honest answer as to how I would solve the problem. - I would
round-file the JNOS software, and go from there.

I used to test and review packet software, and found JNOS to be the very
lousiest excuse for packet radio software I had ever seen. Despite that, I
did manage to get it working, at least good enough so that I could test
its
functionality for a fair review, so I am familiar with the unnecessary
head-aches and poor on-the-air performance this guy is putting up with.

I gave the guy a little historical info about the software he was using,
and
pointed the way to more modern software that will do a better job with a
lot
less trouble. I was working on the assumption that the guy was not a
masochist, but just wanted a reliable packet radio BBS that would work
without constant massaging and tinkering, or embarassing malfunctions that
lose people's messages.

I suppose that you are free to run me down for trying to help the guy out,
but notice that I won't say a single word about you being an obvious
"protocol warrior", still stuck back in the 1980's.

Charles Brabhan, N5PVL

"Jeff Camp" wrote in message
news:5OJkb.21408$iq3.18773@okepread01...
Thanks for the suggestions, Charles, but FBB is the whole reason I'm
looking
at JNOS. I ran it for several years and found it to be very unreliable
and
unable to integrate with gateway software. I used FBB to run the local
packet BBS here in Omaha and to forward on VHF, UHF, HF, and the internet.
FBB is great for talking to other FBB systems, but not too good at talking
to anything else.

Well, to tell the truth, Jeff, you are the second person I've ever heard
talk about FBB BBS software being "unreliable". The other complainer was a
LandLine Lid, too, so I'll assume it's the non-ham stuff that you are having
trouble with.

You can imagine how broke up I must be, over you experiencing difficulties
while trying to screw up.

And yes, I plan to gateway this system through the internet. I'll hold on
to my ham license, though. I need it for my 10-15 hours I spend each week
on HF either on 7.261 or working cw on the low end of 40.

Don't count on your messages being delivered to or by the genuine amateur
radio stations in the BBS forwarding net. Gateway stations have caused so
much damage to the fowarding network that many BBS forwarders are now
refusing to handle traffic either coming from or going into any LandLine Lid
system. Several of the more destructive LansdLine Lid stations have been
isolated this way, to reduce the amount of damage that they can do.

There are now large sections of the country where non-ham stuff is not
allowed to participate in the Ham Radio network at all. Your messages will
not be delivered there. LandLine Lid stations there can chat with each other
on the Internet, as usual, but are not allowed to disrupt the activities of
genuine amateur radio packet network. You will probably be "forwarding" (
internet chatting) with some of these lonely, out of place LandLine Lid
stations, keeping a miserable trickle of messages going for them.

Remember that the packet radio HF forwarding network is an association of
amateur radio operators who work to implement HF digital links. Your non-ham
links are not welcome amongst these hams who are trying to use radio, and
your operation within that group with your non-ham links will- to the extent
that it is tolerated - cause disruption within the network, making it harder
for hams to use radio as intended for this purpose.

- But you already know all that, Jeff, and don't care. That's the kind of
"ham" that you are, aren't you?

You know, this kind of destructive, disruptive LandLine Lid "protocol war"
behavior was bad enough back in the 1980's... Back then, it decimated the
existing HF forwarding network and disrupted packet communications across
the USA, and it was all chalked up to "protocol wars", as if that was any
justification for deliberately disrupting amateur radio communications.
These days, with the ARRL affiliated with Homeland Security, your
disruptive, anti-ham activities may have a little bit more serious
consequences that they might have had ten years ago.

I sincerely hope that it does. You are an insect, Jeff, that really deserves
to be squashed. I consider anybody who deliberately denigrates and undercuts
the ham digital network as you intend to do, during this time of war against
terrorism to be beneath contempt. What used to be despicable enough as
"protocol warrior" behavior back in the 1980's can now end up costing
people's lives and property, disrupting our ability to as hams to provide
emergency communications in the event of a terrorist attack or disaster.

There is literally no excuse for the disruptive, destructive activity you
propose.

Charles Brabham, N5PVL
Director: USPacket.Net
http://www.uspacket.net

"Jeff Camp" wrote in message
news:5OJkb.21408$iq3.18773@okepread01...
Thanks for the suggestions, Charles, but FBB is the whole reason I'm
looking
at JNOS. I ran it for several years and found it to be very unreliable
and
unable to integrate with gateway software. I used FBB to run the local
packet BBS here in Omaha and to forward on VHF, UHF, HF, and the internet.
FBB is great for talking to other FBB systems, but not too good at talking
to anything else.

Well, to tell the truth, Jeff, you are the second person I've ever heard
talk about FBB BBS software being "unreliable". The other complainer was a
LandLine Lid, too, so I'll assume it's the non-ham stuff that you are having
trouble with.

You can imagine how broke up I must be, over you experiencing difficulties
while trying to screw up.

And yes, I plan to gateway this system through the internet. I'll hold on
to my ham license, though. I need it for my 10-15 hours I spend each week
on HF either on 7.261 or working cw on the low end of 40.

Don't count on your messages being delivered to or by the genuine amateur
radio stations in the BBS forwarding net. Gateway stations have caused so
much damage to the fowarding network that many BBS forwarders are now
refusing to handle traffic either coming from or going into any LandLine Lid
system. Several of the more destructive LansdLine Lid stations have been
isolated this way, to reduce the amount of damage that they can do.

There are now large sections of the country where non-ham stuff is not
allowed to participate in the Ham Radio network at all. Your messages will
not be delivered there. LandLine Lid stations there can chat with each other
on the Internet, as usual, but are not allowed to disrupt the activities of
genuine amateur radio packet network. You will probably be "forwarding" (
internet chatting) with some of these lonely, out of place LandLine Lid
stations, keeping a miserable trickle of messages going for them.

Remember that the packet radio HF forwarding network is an association of
amateur radio operators who work to implement HF digital links. Your non-ham
links are not welcome amongst these hams who are trying to use radio, and
your operation within that group with your non-ham links will- to the extent
that it is tolerated - cause disruption within the network, making it harder
for hams to use radio as intended for this purpose.

- But you already know all that, Jeff, and don't care. That's the kind of
"ham" that you are, aren't you?

You know, this kind of destructive, disruptive LandLine Lid "protocol war"
behavior was bad enough back in the 1980's... Back then, it decimated the
existing HF forwarding network and disrupted packet communications across
the USA, and it was all chalked up to "protocol wars", as if that was any
justification for deliberately disrupting amateur radio communications.
These days, with the ARRL affiliated with Homeland Security, your
disruptive, anti-ham activities may have a little bit more serious
consequences that they might have had ten years ago.

I sincerely hope that it does. You are an insect, Jeff, that really deserves
to be squashed. I consider anybody who deliberately denigrates and undercuts
the ham digital network as you intend to do, during this time of war against
terrorism to be beneath contempt. What used to be despicable enough as
"protocol warrior" behavior back in the 1980's can now end up costing
people's lives and property, disrupting our ability to as hams to provide
emergency communications in the event of a terrorist attack or disaster.

There is literally no excuse for the disruptive, destructive activity you
propose.

Charles Brabham, N5PVL
Director: USPacket.Net
http://www.uspacket.net

"Jeff Camp" wrote in message
news:5OJkb.21408$iq3.18773@okepread01...

And speaking of obsolete systems, where would I buy a copy of DOS if I
wanted to run FBB? I haven't seen one for almost 10 years.


I didn't say it was newer, I said it was more reliable and did not require
so much tinkering. You can get copiies of DOS all over the place. Try an
interenet search, or get somebody to show you how to do one.

Charles Brabham, N5PVL