"Traveler" wrote in message
...
As in most new developments there are some who cling to the old true and

What "new development"?

tried way...you know the biggest obstacle to progress is resistance to
change. It's not just in basic things but it's true in science as well as
just trying to get an employee to do a task in a production area different
than the way he has been doing it for years.

You, like many if not most of the IRLP appologists miss the point.

As with the digital networks, once you start rely on the crutch of
a commercial service to carry your "Ham Radio" communications,
slowly but certainly the Ham Radio portion will disappear.

Now, you argue that using echolink is not using HAM radio...I beg to differ.

Beg all you like, you are still wrong.

The point was not "Are you using Ham Radio?" but rather "Did you
require the use of a commercial service to carry your communication?"

Just this morning while sitting at my computer I had a little rag chew with
one gentlemen in Tucson who was walking around with his HT...was he using
HAM radio....was I using HAM radio....was it pure HAM radio....the answer to
the first two questions is yes and the answer to the last is NO. It was a
marriage of HAM radio with the net. My opinion is that we will see much more
progress in this area.
I guess another question to you is when I use one of those silver box sets
from Kenwood, which has the circuits of the transceiver built into the
silver box but no external controls....I have to use the computer to control
the silver box...is that HAM radio?

Wrong question.
Just another stupid obfuscation.

73
Ray Herron
WA0LQT

--

... Hank

Hank: http://horedson.home.att.net
W0RLI: http://w0rli.home.att.net

"Hank Oredson" wrote

The Amateur is Progressive

Keeping their station abreast of science.

Yup. Radio science ... you did understand that, right?

Nope. Science. If they would have meant radio science,
they would have said radio science.

Stupid "dogmatic" ****.

"Hank Oredson" wrote

The Amateur is Progressive

Keeping their station abreast of science.

Yup. Radio science ... you did understand that, right?

Nope. Science. If they would have meant radio science,
they would have said radio science.

Stupid "dogmatic" ****.

You probably also think that all real HAMS should be using CW..... which by
the way might just disappear as a license requirement within the next year
or two

"Hank Oredson" wrote in message
...

"Traveler" wrote in message
...
As in most new developments there are some who cling to the old true and

What "new development"?

tried way...you know the biggest obstacle to progress is resistance to
change. It's not just in basic things but it's true in science as well
as
just trying to get an employee to do a task in a production area
different
than the way he has been doing it for years.

You, like many if not most of the IRLP appologists miss the point.

As with the digital networks, once you start rely on the crutch of
a commercial service to carry your "Ham Radio" communications,
slowly but certainly the Ham Radio portion will disappear.

Now, you argue that using echolink is not using HAM radio...I beg to
differ.

Beg all you like, you are still wrong.

The point was not "Are you using Ham Radio?" but rather "Did you
require the use of a commercial service to carry your communication?"

Just this morning while sitting at my computer I had a little rag chew
with
one gentlemen in Tucson who was walking around with his HT...was he
using
HAM radio....was I using HAM radio....was it pure HAM radio....the
answer to
the first two questions is yes and the answer to the last is NO. It was
a
marriage of HAM radio with the net. My opinion is that we will see much
more
progress in this area.
I guess another question to you is when I use one of those silver box
sets
from Kenwood, which has the circuits of the transceiver built into the
silver box but no external controls....I have to use the computer to
control
the silver box...is that HAM radio?

Wrong question.
Just another stupid obfuscation.

73
Ray Herron
WA0LQT

--

... Hank

Hank: http://horedson.home.att.net
W0RLI: http://w0rli.home.att.net

You probably also think that all real HAMS should be using CW..... which by
the way might just disappear as a license requirement within the next year
or two

"Hank Oredson" wrote in message
...

"Traveler" wrote in message
...
As in most new developments there are some who cling to the old true and

What "new development"?

tried way...you know the biggest obstacle to progress is resistance to
change. It's not just in basic things but it's true in science as well
as
just trying to get an employee to do a task in a production area
different
than the way he has been doing it for years.

You, like many if not most of the IRLP appologists miss the point.

As with the digital networks, once you start rely on the crutch of
a commercial service to carry your "Ham Radio" communications,
slowly but certainly the Ham Radio portion will disappear.

Now, you argue that using echolink is not using HAM radio...I beg to
differ.

Beg all you like, you are still wrong.

The point was not "Are you using Ham Radio?" but rather "Did you
require the use of a commercial service to carry your communication?"

Just this morning while sitting at my computer I had a little rag chew
with
one gentlemen in Tucson who was walking around with his HT...was he
using
HAM radio....was I using HAM radio....was it pure HAM radio....the
answer to
the first two questions is yes and the answer to the last is NO. It was
a
marriage of HAM radio with the net. My opinion is that we will see much
more
progress in this area.
I guess another question to you is when I use one of those silver box
sets
from Kenwood, which has the circuits of the transceiver built into the
silver box but no external controls....I have to use the computer to
control
the silver box...is that HAM radio?

Wrong question.
Just another stupid obfuscation.

73
Ray Herron
WA0LQT

--

... Hank

Hank: http://horedson.home.att.net
W0RLI: http://w0rli.home.att.net

"Traveler" wrote in message
news
You probably also think that all real HAMS should be using CW..... which
by
the way might just disappear as a license requirement within the next year
or two

Another moron who sees the Internet as the latest advance in radio
technology.

Charles Brabham, N5PVL
Director: USPacket.Net
http://www.uspacket.net

"Traveler" wrote in message
news
You probably also think that all real HAMS should be using CW..... which
by
the way might just disappear as a license requirement within the next year
or two

Another moron who sees the Internet as the latest advance in radio
technology.

Charles Brabham, N5PVL
Director: USPacket.Net
http://www.uspacket.net

You have no clue what I think. Which simply shows that
you are not paying much attention to Ham Radio.

Perhaps you could attempt to answer my simple question,
or is that too hard for you?

What "new development"?

--

... Hank

Hank: http://horedson.home.att.net
W0RLI: http://w0rli.home.att.net

"Traveler" wrote in message
news
You probably also think that all real HAMS should be using CW..... which by
the way might just disappear as a license requirement within the next year
or two

"Hank Oredson" wrote in message
...

"Traveler" wrote in message
...
As in most new developments there are some who cling to the old true and

What "new development"?

tried way...you know the biggest obstacle to progress is resistance to
change. It's not just in basic things but it's true in science as well
as
just trying to get an employee to do a task in a production area
different
than the way he has been doing it for years.

You, like many if not most of the IRLP appologists miss the point.

As with the digital networks, once you start rely on the crutch of
a commercial service to carry your "Ham Radio" communications,
slowly but certainly the Ham Radio portion will disappear.

Now, you argue that using echolink is not using HAM radio...I beg to
differ.

Beg all you like, you are still wrong.

The point was not "Are you using Ham Radio?" but rather "Did you
require the use of a commercial service to carry your communication?"

Just this morning while sitting at my computer I had a little rag chew
with
one gentlemen in Tucson who was walking around with his HT...was he
using
HAM radio....was I using HAM radio....was it pure HAM radio....the
answer to
the first two questions is yes and the answer to the last is NO. It was
a
marriage of HAM radio with the net. My opinion is that we will see much
more
progress in this area.
I guess another question to you is when I use one of those silver box
sets
from Kenwood, which has the circuits of the transceiver built into the
silver box but no external controls....I have to use the computer to
control
the silver box...is that HAM radio?

Wrong question.
Just another stupid obfuscation.

73
Ray Herron
WA0LQT

--

... Hank

Hank: http://horedson.home.att.net
W0RLI: http://w0rli.home.att.net

You have no clue what I think. Which simply shows that
you are not paying much attention to Ham Radio.

Perhaps you could attempt to answer my simple question,
or is that too hard for you?

What "new development"?

--

... Hank

Hank: http://horedson.home.att.net
W0RLI: http://w0rli.home.att.net

"Traveler" wrote in message
news
You probably also think that all real HAMS should be using CW..... which by
the way might just disappear as a license requirement within the next year
or two

"Hank Oredson" wrote in message
...

"Traveler" wrote in message
...
As in most new developments there are some who cling to the old true and

What "new development"?

tried way...you know the biggest obstacle to progress is resistance to
change. It's not just in basic things but it's true in science as well
as
just trying to get an employee to do a task in a production area
different
than the way he has been doing it for years.

You, like many if not most of the IRLP appologists miss the point.

As with the digital networks, once you start rely on the crutch of
a commercial service to carry your "Ham Radio" communications,
slowly but certainly the Ham Radio portion will disappear.

Now, you argue that using echolink is not using HAM radio...I beg to
differ.

Beg all you like, you are still wrong.

The point was not "Are you using Ham Radio?" but rather "Did you
require the use of a commercial service to carry your communication?"

Just this morning while sitting at my computer I had a little rag chew
with
one gentlemen in Tucson who was walking around with his HT...was he
using
HAM radio....was I using HAM radio....was it pure HAM radio....the
answer to
the first two questions is yes and the answer to the last is NO. It was
a
marriage of HAM radio with the net. My opinion is that we will see much
more
progress in this area.
I guess another question to you is when I use one of those silver box
sets
from Kenwood, which has the circuits of the transceiver built into the
silver box but no external controls....I have to use the computer to
control
the silver box...is that HAM radio?

Wrong question.
Just another stupid obfuscation.

73
Ray Herron
WA0LQT

--

... Hank

Hank: http://horedson.home.att.net
W0RLI: http://w0rli.home.att.net

"Hank Oredson" wrote

Perhaps you could attempt to answer my simple question,
or is that too hard for you?

What "new development"?

What you are trying to say, is that there is nothing new. It's not really a
question, it is an indictment. One of your continuing themes in this group
has been that you know what is good for everyone, and that your "religion"
is the correct one, and everyone else is going to "hell".

IRLP is nothing more than a solution to a need, that gives people an
added joy to their hobby. Like packet radio, it will probably be fun for
a few years, and then people will drop it and go off to something that is
more fun/different.

A good friend of mine used to say "I don't build repeaters anymore, because
it attracts the wrong people to the hobby." Packet radio is the same problem.
The people it attracts don't even care to adjust their hardware.

IRLP will attract the wrong people to the hobby, and the people who built it
will go off and start a new project.

It's nothing to get upset over.