On Mon, 03 Oct 2005 10:00:32 -0700, Caveat Lector wrote:

Had one DXer exclaim -- the only difference between a DX Net and the Packet
clusters is when using the clusters -- ya still have to break the pileup
(;-)

I know DXers that never tune, never spot, just monitor the clusters and let
someone else do the hard work -- is that DXing ?

Just some thoughts

Of course with the DX Clusters the pileups are often much larger.

Bob N7XY

I told you what I think..basically making any kind of to-do about DX'ing and
claiming only your way of DX'ing as the only True DX'ing indicates to me
that you, sir, have far too much time on your hands.

Why aren't you out there on the bands ..."tuning and listening?"

--

Charlie






"Caveat Lector" wrote in message
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One who resorts to insults in a perfectly civil discussion is really the
one who needs to get a life.

The questions posed were to elicit discussions on what a lot of DXers
espouse

Believe me there are folks that hate the nets, the lists and the clusters

And as I stated before "Whatta ya think"

--
CL -- I doubt, therefore I might be !






"Charlie" wrote in message
...
I think we can work DX however we like. Whether one listens and tunes or
watches the cluster or gets on a DX net...one still has to have the skill
and station capabilities to actually "work the DX".


IMHO saying one way or the other is "real DX'ing" and the other ways are
not is really stupid and indicates to me someone needs to get a life.

--

Charlie






"Caveat Lector" wrote in message
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I also know a DXer who has a very high country count using DX Nets ONLY
Is that DXing ?

Also know several DXers who do not return a QSL for any country they
have confirmed - Is that DXing ?

All this to stir the DX pot (NG) with some different views

Whatta ya think ?

--
CL -- I doubt, therefore I might be !






"Caveat Lector" wrote in message
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Had one DXer exclaim -- the only difference between a DX Net and the
Packet clusters is when using the clusters -- ya still have to break
the pileup (;-)

I know DXers that never tune, never spot, just monitor the clusters and
let someone else do the hard work -- is that DXing ?

Just some thoughts

--
CL -- I doubt, therefore I might be !






"Charlie" wrote in message
...
Before I was introduced to DX Cluster service I did the "old fashioned
way" of tune..tune..listen..listen. Yes it yielded results and I
snagged my share of "new ones". However once I got on DX cluster
service via 2M my country count literally skyrocketed -and- I was then
able to share the ones I found with other hams.


I prefer the "new old fashioned way" since I can share my findings
with other hams. IMHO using and contributing to the DX cluster is much
more in line with "True Ham Spirit" then the old fashioned way which
does not allow for sharing.

--

Charlie-AD5TH (DXCC 317 and counting)
www.ad5th.com






"Caveat Lector" wrote in message
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Then there are those that don't use the clusters at all, nor DX nets
or DX lists.

They do it the old fashioned way -- tune tune listen listen.

Who do you think works the DX first, and maybe puts it on the
clusters ?

Just a few of my thoughts

--
CL -- I doubt, therefore I might be !

wrote in message
ups.com...
Just a few of my thoughts...
Nowadays more and more people use webpage based dxclusters as as
source
of information. Recently i have swapped logging programs and it was
very hard to log myself into my usual cluster and had to use a
web-based cluster, indeed i couldnt react with the dxcluster at all,
just take the info spotted. I could post spots, but these went to
DXsummmit which is web based. Now i am a strong believer in
traditional
dxclusters, the guys that get these facilities up and running and
keep
them ticking over sometimes deserve a medal. The cost of them
maintaining packetradio access is not as great as in years gone by
but
the time and maintainance is still a concern. Not many people are
aware
of what is involved in keeping the cluster network running smoothly
and
preventing the abuse which can go on. Remember the websites that
provide you with a webpage of dx spots and announcements are getting
their information from the original dxcluster network.
So i say, wherever possible, support your local dxcluster by using
their facilities to the best advantage, its really all the
Cluster-sysops ask!

Kind regards and 73
Linda
http://www.gb7mbc.net

wrote:

I do tune and i do listen and i do post on the cluster when i feel
like it, this was addressed to cluster users as i know they are not
every ones cup of tea . There is no replacement for finding and chasing
your own dx ;-)


Is that similar to going fishing and refusing to use the fishfinder??

A true fisherman, applying your definition, goes to an unknown pond,
throws in a line and hook, and hopes, hopes, hopes, and then creates
stories about the one that got away.

Me, I'll use a fish finder, a thermometer, correct tackle, correct bait;
and, I'll catch fish. I'll use a cluster, packet, phone call from a
friend, s--t luck, DX-net, or watch for pileups on my 756 Pro III; and,
I'll catch DX.

If you want to be old fashioned, use a BC-610 and a pre war HRO. You
will work ATVs within 1/2 mile :-)

On Mon, 3 Oct 2005 15:57:35 -0500, "Charlie" wrote:

I told you what I think..basically making any kind of to-do about DX'ing and
claiming only your way of DX'ing as the only True DX'ing indicates to me
that you, sir, have far too much time on your hands.

Excuse me, but I just backed up through this thread and I don't see
where CL ever said anything about "his" way of working DX.


N7WS

On Mon, 3 Oct 2005 09:00:32 -0700, "Caveat Lector"
wrote:

Had one DXer exclaim -- the only difference between a DX Net and the Packet
clusters is when using the clusters -- ya still have to break the pileup
(;-)

I know DXers that never tune, never spot, just monitor the clusters and let
someone else do the hard work -- is that DXing ?


I knew of an "Honor Roll" member who was working stations when he
wasn't even on the air. "Thanks, Good Buddy."