Here-Here I agree,and while we're at it,lets stop beating this dead horse?
ttyl de dave-n2rhl

"Phil - N1KI" wrote in message
...

I don't think it is called illegal, I think it is called capitalism. QSL
managers must put their time and effort into checking logs, filling out
cards,
stuffing envelopes, etc. I always include a little extra beyond postage
to
help defray some of the managers' costs, and I certainly do not expect
them to
send me any change. If you provide an IRC to pay for first class postage,
why
should you care whether the manager pays postage out of his pocket and
then
sells the IRC to another person as long as you get your card?

Derek may be a little opinionated (and I usually agree with his opinions)
and
outspoken, but I certainly would not call him unethical. Instead of
slamming
these guys, we should be thanking them for making confirming contacts so
much
easier.



In article om, "Dee D.
Flint" wrote:

"Derek Wills" wrote in message
...
I'm looking to buy some IRC's. I'm mainly interested in
the new larger size ones. Does anyone have some to sell?

Best bet is the Post Office. Though in some areas you'll
have to get them to special order them.

I disagree - why pay $1.75 at the PO when QSL managers will
sell them for 80c to $1 each? The poster did the right
thing by asking here. Also try QSL managers of recent
expeditions or managers of busy stations. I sold my last
lot for 80c each, but now that I'm not an active manager
I'm hanging on to my last 100 or so for my own QSLing.


And where do the QSL managers get them so cheap? From hams who send
them?
Why aren't the QSL managers using them as intended, that is to send a QSL
direct to the ham that provided that IRC and the envelope. Are the QSL
managers keeping the IRCs and sending the QSLs via the bureau? That
would
be quite unethical.

One of the perks of being a QSL manager is that you get a
steady supply of IRCs, but I wouldn't do it just for that!


There shouldn't be any IRCs left over for the manager. The hams who send
them are doing so to get direct QSL responses. So how do you have an
excess??

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


Spammers - reply freely and often to my e-mail address
Everyone else - look me up on qrz.com

Peace - Those rare moments in history when everyone is rearming....

wrote in message
...
On Mon, 05 Jan 2004 03:09:39 GMT, "Dee D. Flint"
wrote:

Some one bought them at post office prices originally. And somewhere
along
the line the QSL manager has to buy postage. If he is buying postage for
$0.80 and selling the IRCs for $1 that is probably illegal.

Dee Dee. Scurry on back over to QRZ.Com and argue with the repeater
geeks, where your inexperience with ham radio doesn't stick out so
much, like it does here.

You been smokin' RG59 again?

73, Jim KH2D


While I may not be knowledgeable on the subject of IRCs, if you will check
the FCC database, you will find that I have been an Extra class operator
since 1993. I have a good bit of experience with ham radio overall just not
with IRCs. So check your facts before slinging mud.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

wrote in message
...
On Mon, 05 Jan 2004 03:09:39 GMT, "Dee D. Flint"
wrote:

Some one bought them at post office prices originally. And somewhere
along
the line the QSL manager has to buy postage. If he is buying postage for
$0.80 and selling the IRCs for $1 that is probably illegal.

Dee Dee. Scurry on back over to QRZ.Com and argue with the repeater
geeks, where your inexperience with ham radio doesn't stick out so
much, like it does here.

You been smokin' RG59 again?

73, Jim KH2D


While I may not be knowledgeable on the subject of IRCs, if you will check
the FCC database, you will find that I have been an Extra class operator
since 1993. I have a good bit of experience with ham radio overall just not
with IRCs. So check your facts before slinging mud.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

"Walt Davidson" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 05 Jan 2004 03:09:39 GMT, "Dee D. Flint"
wrote:

Some one bought them at post office prices originally. And somewhere
along
the line the QSL manager has to buy postage. If he is buying postage for
$0.80 and selling the IRCs for $1 that is probably illegal.

I can't believe I'm reading this.

Enough already! I - and countless thousands of hams - have used IRCs
as a form of "ham radio international currency" for almost 50 years.
As well as paying for postage and QSL manager expenses, they are also
often used to pay for awards, etc.

Find something worthwhile to whine about, OM.

73 de G3NYY

Who's whining? I'm simply asking questions about something that on the
surface has the appearance of impropriety. It is better to ask an
apparently stupid question than to remain in ignorance.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

"Walt Davidson" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 05 Jan 2004 03:09:39 GMT, "Dee D. Flint"
wrote:

Some one bought them at post office prices originally. And somewhere
along
the line the QSL manager has to buy postage. If he is buying postage for
$0.80 and selling the IRCs for $1 that is probably illegal.

I can't believe I'm reading this.

Enough already! I - and countless thousands of hams - have used IRCs
as a form of "ham radio international currency" for almost 50 years.
As well as paying for postage and QSL manager expenses, they are also
often used to pay for awards, etc.

Find something worthwhile to whine about, OM.

73 de G3NYY

Who's whining? I'm simply asking questions about something that on the
surface has the appearance of impropriety. It is better to ask an
apparently stupid question than to remain in ignorance.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

"Phil - N1KI" wrote in message
...

I don't think it is called illegal, I think it is called capitalism. QSL
managers must put their time and effort into checking logs, filling out
cards,
stuffing envelopes, etc. I always include a little extra beyond postage
to
help defray some of the managers' costs, and I certainly do not expect
them to
send me any change. If you provide an IRC to pay for first class postage,
why
should you care whether the manager pays postage out of his pocket and
then
sells the IRC to another person as long as you get your card?

Derek may be a little opinionated (and I usually agree with his opinions)
and
outspoken, but I certainly would not call him unethical. Instead of
slamming
these guys, we should be thanking them for making confirming contacts so
much
easier.


I was questioning something that did not appear at the time to make any
sense. All of us should be willing to ask such questions even if we have to
take a little heat as a result of it. Afterall if we accepted everything at
face value, a lot of people would be falling for that Nigerian thing making
the rounds on email.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

"Phil - N1KI" wrote in message
...

I don't think it is called illegal, I think it is called capitalism. QSL
managers must put their time and effort into checking logs, filling out
cards,
stuffing envelopes, etc. I always include a little extra beyond postage
to
help defray some of the managers' costs, and I certainly do not expect
them to
send me any change. If you provide an IRC to pay for first class postage,
why
should you care whether the manager pays postage out of his pocket and
then
sells the IRC to another person as long as you get your card?

Derek may be a little opinionated (and I usually agree with his opinions)
and
outspoken, but I certainly would not call him unethical. Instead of
slamming
these guys, we should be thanking them for making confirming contacts so
much
easier.


I was questioning something that did not appear at the time to make any
sense. All of us should be willing to ask such questions even if we have to
take a little heat as a result of it. Afterall if we accepted everything at
face value, a lot of people would be falling for that Nigerian thing making
the rounds on email.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

On Tue, 06 Jan 2004 03:00:26 GMT, "Dee D. Flint"
wrote:


While I may not be knowledgeable on the subject of IRCs......

Obviously. Now run on back over to QRZ.com and argue with the
Morse Code Monkeys.

73, Jim KH2D

On Tue, 06 Jan 2004 03:00:26 GMT, "Dee D. Flint"
wrote:


While I may not be knowledgeable on the subject of IRCs......

Obviously. Now run on back over to QRZ.com and argue with the
Morse Code Monkeys.

73, Jim KH2D

Dee D. Flint wrote:
"Walt Davidson" wrote in message

SNIP

.. If he is buying postage for
$0.80 and selling the IRCs for $1 that is probably illegal.


SNIP

Dee, you can go to the local Post Office, USPS, and buy a sheet of $0.37
stamps for $37.00.

You are now free to sell them for whatever you want or for whatever the
market will bear. Happens all the time and it is legal!!

In the USA UPS sells $0.37 stamps all the time for $0.40!! Hmmm...

IRCs are simply an international exchange medium for a first class
letter. In the USA that's a 1 ounce [28 gram] letter in much of Europe
it is for a 3/4 ounce [20 gram] latter. Free market rules.

DD, W1MCE