snip
Out of curiosity - are you aware of any actual enforcement actions
in the past few years, taken against people using GMRS frequencies
without a license?

snip

Google shows several violations

Example
http://www.fcc.gov/eb/FieldNotices/2...-238457A1.html

The point is -- it is the law. If you are aware of that and ignore it - you
were forwarned.

The FCC has its hands full - monitoring for idiots jamming Marine and
Aircraft frequencies and causing ship or air collisions.

But non-licensed GMRSers do occaisionally get caught -- do you really want
to be one of them???

Lamont

"The Shadow" wrote in message
...

snip
Out of curiosity - are you aware of any actual enforcement actions
in the past few years, taken against people using GMRS frequencies
without a license?

snip

Google shows several violations

Example
http://www.fcc.gov/eb/FieldNotices/2...-238457A1.html

The point is -- it is the law. If you are aware of that and ignore it -
you were forwarned.

The FCC has its hands full - monitoring for idiots jamming Marine and
Aircraft frequencies and causing ship or air collisions.

But non-licensed GMRSers do occaisionally get caught -- do you really
want to be one of them???

Lamont



also see
http://www.fcc.gov/eb/FieldNotices/2...-257949A1.html

In article ,
"The Shadow" wrote:

GMRS is NOT CB. See URL:
http://wireless.fcc.gov/services/ind...general_mobile

GMRS frequencies are UHF- FM and requires a license and a fee for
application (~ $75 ?). Use is sharply defined. Repeater operation is
permitted. There are severe penalties for non-licensed users.

Lots of details at URL:
http://www.provide.net/~prsg/wi-gmrs.htm

Lamont

Actually, GMRS has it's roots in Citizens Band, as it started out life
as Citizens Band Class A, when Citizens Band was Created in the 1960's.
It was changed to GMRS much more recently by Commission Action. At one
time ALL Citizen Band Radios were licensed, and required a License Fee
be paid, and in truth, all Citizens Band Radios are still Licensed by
the Commission, under a General Nationwide Blanket License created
when the Commission dropped the Individual Licenses, and Fees, for
those particular Radio Services.

Bruce in alaska
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In article ,
"The Shadow" wrote:

The FCC has its hands full - monitoring for idiots jamming Marine and
Aircraft frequencies and causing ship or air collisions.


Lamont

Can you document a single case, where the FCC was involved in monitoring
Marine, and, or, Aircraft Frequencies for Jammers, that caused a
collision of a ship or aircraft? No, Really? Duh, I wonder why?

Lamont, you have no clue what the FCC, does, and what it has been doing,
since the ALGORE Bloodletting.

Maybe you should get a "Clue" before you make any more Foolish
Statements......

Bruce in alaska
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"Bruce in Alaska" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"The Shadow" wrote:

GMRS is NOT CB. See URL:
http://wireless.fcc.gov/services/ind...general_mobile

GMRS frequencies are UHF- FM and requires a license and a fee for
application (~ $75 ?). Use is sharply defined. Repeater operation is
permitted. There are severe penalties for non-licensed users.

Lots of details at URL:
http://www.provide.net/~prsg/wi-gmrs.htm

Lamont

Actually, GMRS has it's roots in Citizens Band, as it started out life
as Citizens Band Class A, when Citizens Band was Created in the 1960's.
It was changed to GMRS much more recently by Commission Action. At one
time ALL Citizen Band Radios were licensed, and required a License Fee
be paid, and in truth, all Citizens Band Radios are still Licensed by
the Commission, under a General Nationwide Blanket License created
when the Commission dropped the Individual Licenses, and Fees, for
those particular Radio Services.

Bruce in alaska

Indeed Bruce all that is true but today CB is
http://wireless.fcc.gov/services/ind...ice_home&id=cb

GMRS is
http://wireless.fcc.gov/services/ind...general_mobile

Lot of differences, frequencies, modulation, useage, etc

Lamont

"Bruce in Alaska" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"The Shadow" wrote:

The FCC has its hands full - monitoring for idiots jamming Marine and
Aircraft frequencies and causing ship or air collisions.


Lamont

Can you document a single case, where the FCC was involved in monitoring
Marine, and, or, Aircraft Frequencies for Jammers, that caused a
collision of a ship or aircraft? No, Really? Duh, I wonder why?

Lamont, you have no clue what the FCC, does, and what it has been doing,
since the ALGORE Bloodletting.

Maybe you should get a "Clue" before you make any more Foolish
Statements......

Bruce in alaska
--
add path before @

We recently had a FCC spokesperson at our Ham Club and he stated the above.
I stand by my statements.

Jammers or any interfering frequency --- spurs, harmonics, intermod can
cause communication problems.

I refer you to URL:
http://www2.arrl.org/news/enforcemen...2003/0614.html

http://www2.arrl.org/news/enforcemen...2003/0712.html

http://w6yra.bol.ucla.edu/interest.htm

http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cache...lnk&cd=2&gl=us

http://www.fcc.gov/eb/Orders/

Lots more if you get a clue and use Goggle


Lamont

On Thu, 22 Nov 2007 11:46:17 -0800, "The Shadow"
wrote:

Actually, GMRS has it's roots in Citizens Band, as it started out life
as Citizens Band Class A, when Citizens Band was Created in the 1960's.
It was changed to GMRS much more recently by Commission Action. At one
time ALL Citizen Band Radios were licensed, and required a License Fee
be paid, and in truth, all Citizens Band Radios are still Licensed by
the Commission, under a General Nationwide Blanket License created
when the Commission dropped the Individual Licenses, and Fees, for
those particular Radio Services.

Bruce in alaska

Indeed Bruce all that is true but today CB is
http://wireless.fcc.gov/services/ind...ice_home&id=cb

GMRS is
http://wireless.fcc.gov/services/ind...general_mobile

Lot of differences, frequencies, modulation, useage, etc

Lamont

I will have to side with Bruce on this one. The GMRS band (formerly
Class A Citizen's Band) FRS and CB all fall under Part 95, Personal
Radio Services. Each has its own characteristics, but they are all
related to radio services for the general public as opposed to the
Amateur Radio Service under Part 97.

Dick - W6CCD

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"Dick" wrote in message
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On Thu, 22 Nov 2007 11:46:17 -0800, "The Shadow"
wrote:

Actually, GMRS has it's roots in Citizens Band, as it started out life
as Citizens Band Class A, when Citizens Band was Created in the 1960's.
It was changed to GMRS much more recently by Commission Action. At one
time ALL Citizen Band Radios were licensed, and required a License Fee
be paid, and in truth, all Citizens Band Radios are still Licensed by
the Commission, under a General Nationwide Blanket License created
when the Commission dropped the Individual Licenses, and Fees, for
those particular Radio Services.

Bruce in alaska

Indeed Bruce all that is true but today CB is
http://wireless.fcc.gov/services/ind...ice_home&id=cb

GMRS is
http://wireless.fcc.gov/services/ind...general_mobile

Lot of differences, frequencies, modulation, useage, etc

Lamont

I will have to side with Bruce on this one. The GMRS band (formerly
Class A Citizen's Band) FRS and CB all fall under Part 95, Personal
Radio Services. Each has its own characteristics, but they are all
related to radio services for the general public as opposed to the
Amateur Radio Service under Part 97.

Dick - W6CCD

Agree but hopefully some readers are now aware of the differences between
the CB and GMRS.
One poster stated that GMRS is CB simply not true.
Lamont

"The Shadow" wrote in message
...

"D. Stussy" wrote in message
...
"Steve Calvin" wrote in message
...
Sorry if this isn't the right group to ask this, if not and
someone know of a more appropriate group I'd appreciate a
pointer.

I currently have GMRS radios that are rated at "16 miles"
(yeah, maybe on the salt flats or over water, ok, we all
know about that). The are rated at 2W on the GMRS freq's
and .5w on FRS.

Why are the new "25 mile" units still rated at 2W? What's
the difference in the two radios to justify the increased
distance claims?

Can't be frequency or a change to the privacy codes or they
wouldn't work with older radios.

Increased sensitivity/filtering? Hype?

Hype and poor/deceptive advertising. Probably the advertising dept. is
clueless
as to actual specs.

2W on a unity gain antenna should have a maximum range of 1.4km (or 0.878
miles)
given the standard receive sensitivity of 0.2u.

GMRS is CB, and therefore, your better group by topic would have been
"rec.rado.cb." However, I agree with other responses that you would
probably
get a better quality response here.


GMRS is NOT CB. See URL:
http://wireless.fcc.gov/services/ind...general_mobile

WRONG! GMRS is CB. It's defined in part 95, subpart A. All of part 95 is CB.
What you're thinking of is only the 27MHz allocation - part 95, subpart D. FRS
and MURS are also in part 95, and if you read the FCC's page on each, the FCC
indicates that each is part of CB, but neither operates on 27MHz.

GMRS frequencies are UHF- FM and requires a license and a fee for
application (~ $75 ?). Use is sharply defined. Repeater operation is
permitted. There are severe penalties for non-licensed users.

It's still CB and you know it.

"Ty" wrote in message
...
Lamont,

Tell us how to "Goggle"

We need a clue.

ROTFLMAO at the stupidity.

NWOAR Tie NWOAR

Just kidding Tei

Try googling goggle

Lamont