"Dee Flint" wrote in message
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"Jiggly" wrote in message
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The hobby has lots of people who are morbidly obese.
(See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morbid_obesity for definition)

Sadly, many of them die from weight-related causes. We lose a lot of
nice people and good operators that way.


On 02 Jun 2008 13:44:56 GMT, Bert Hyman wrote:

In "D. Stussy"
wrote:

Considering that many "hams" are grossly overweight (at least in my
geographic area), are you certain?

It's pretty clear that you've picked the wrong hobby.

Good luck.

Doing some further web surfing:

Depending on what site you visit (here's the one I used:
http://www.nclnet.org/news/2007/obes...y_06192007.htm)

Approximately 66% of Americans are overweight to obese
Approximately half of that group (or 33%) of Americans are obese to
morbidly obese.

So it is not unique to hams. I think we see it more in hams simply
because
the average age is higher and the bad habits that lead to overweight and
obesity have had more time to do their work.

Too many people deceive themselves too with "I'm just big boned" and all
those arguments. Well the healthy BMI has sufficient range to accommodate
the big boned. If you can't see your collar bone when you look in the
mirror nude, you are overweight.

That doesn't mean that there's not a higher percentage among amateur radio
operators than the general population.

D. Stussy wrote:
"Dee Flint" wrote in message


Too many people deceive themselves too with "I'm just big boned" and all
those arguments. Well the healthy BMI has sufficient range to accommodate
the big boned. If you can't see your collar bone when you look in the
mirror nude, you are overweight.

That doesn't mean that there's not a higher percentage among amateur radio
operators than the general population.


Citations on that?


- 73 de Mike N3LI -

"Michael Coslo" wrote in message
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D. Stussy wrote:
"Dee Flint" wrote in message

Too many people deceive themselves too with "I'm just big boned" and
all
those arguments. Well the healthy BMI has sufficient range to
accommodate
the big boned. If you can't see your collar bone when you look in the
mirror nude, you are overweight.

That doesn't mean that there's not a higher percentage among amateur
radio
operators than the general population.

Citations on that?

Attend any of our local frequency coordinators meetings and look for
yourself. I exclude the swap meets because there are many
non-amateur-radio-licensed individuals that attend in addition to
licenseholders.

D. Stussy wrote:
"Michael Coslo" wrote in message
...
D. Stussy wrote:
"Dee Flint" wrote in message
Too many people deceive themselves too with "I'm just big boned" and
all
those arguments. Well the healthy BMI has sufficient range to
accommodate
the big boned. If you can't see your collar bone when you look in the
mirror nude, you are overweight.
That doesn't mean that there's not a higher percentage among amateur
radio
operators than the general population.
Citations on that?

Attend any of our local frequency coordinators meetings and look for
yourself. I exclude the swap meets because there are many
non-amateur-radio-licensed individuals that attend in addition to
licenseholders.

I noticed the same thing going to church. There were a lot of Hams at
that church. I see a lot of Hams walking around downtown too. I didn't
know that so many people were Hams!

- 73 de Mike N3LI -

"D. Stussy" wrote in message
...
"Dee Flint" wrote in message
. ..
"Jiggly" wrote in message
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The hobby has lots of people who are morbidly obese.
(See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morbid_obesity for definition)

Sadly, many of them die from weight-related causes. We lose a lot of
nice people and good operators that way.


On 02 Jun 2008 13:44:56 GMT, Bert Hyman wrote:

In "D. Stussy"
wrote:

Considering that many "hams" are grossly overweight (at least in my
geographic area), are you certain?

It's pretty clear that you've picked the wrong hobby.

Good luck.

Doing some further web surfing:

Depending on what site you visit (here's the one I used:
http://www.nclnet.org/news/2007/obes...y_06192007.htm)

Approximately 66% of Americans are overweight to obese
Approximately half of that group (or 33%) of Americans are obese to
morbidly obese.

So it is not unique to hams. I think we see it more in hams simply
because
the average age is higher and the bad habits that lead to overweight and
obesity have had more time to do their work.

Too many people deceive themselves too with "I'm just big boned" and all
those arguments. Well the healthy BMI has sufficient range to
accommodate
the big boned. If you can't see your collar bone when you look in the
mirror nude, you are overweight.

That doesn't mean that there's not a higher percentage among amateur radio
operators than the general population.



Well without doing a proper statistical study, there's no way to be sure.

Just looking at people in the stores around here, it looks like the average
population is about the same as the hams (accounting for the age bracket
bias).

Of the people that I personally know that are over 50, I could count the
one's that are not overweight on the fingers of one hand.

Dee, N8UZE

"Michael Coslo" wrote in message
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D. Stussy wrote:
"Michael Coslo" wrote in message
...
D. Stussy wrote:
"Dee Flint" wrote in message
Too many people deceive themselves too with "I'm just big boned" and
all
those arguments. Well the healthy BMI has sufficient range to
accommodate
the big boned. If you can't see your collar bone when you look in the
mirror nude, you are overweight.
That doesn't mean that there's not a higher percentage among amateur
radio
operators than the general population.
Citations on that?

Attend any of our local frequency coordinators meetings and look for
yourself. I exclude the swap meets because there are many
non-amateur-radio-licensed individuals that attend in addition to
licenseholders.

I noticed the same thing going to church. There were a lot of Hams at that
church. I see a lot of Hams walking around downtown too. I didn't know
that so many people were Hams!

- 73 de Mike N3LI -

Yes I see them everywhere too: grocery store, Wal-Mart, Target, the mall.

Michigan has one of the highest rates of obesity and overweight in the
country.

Dee, N8UZE

On Wed, 28 May 2008 16:00:50 -0700, "D. Stussy"
wrote:

"Middle Aged Ham" wrote in
message news
Why are almost all the new HF ham radios so ugly? HF Ham radios use
to be a thing of beauty, but now most of them are butt ugly!

Because amateur radio operators who call themselves "hams" are ugly.



I've said for some time Hamfest should be called "Ham and Ugly Fest".

I'm not sure which has more ugly people. A Hamfest or a CB Jamboree.

The IQ is higher at the hamfest, but so is the nerd factor.

Also hamfest are more likely to have the old guy walking around with
the oxygen tank and plastic tube up his nose.

When I was young the girls thought I was nice looking and my radio was
ugly. Now my radio is nice looking, and I ain't what I use to be.

"A" wrote in message
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On Thu, 5 Jun 2008, Michael Coslo wrote:

Jiggly wrote:
The hobby has lots of people who are morbidly obese.
(See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morbid_obesity for definition)

Sadly, many of them die from weight-related causes. We lose a lot of
nice people and good operators that way.

That reminds me.....


For years we've been force fed about how we have to eat right, not smoke,
etc. How the obese ans smokers and heavy drinkers were going to be a
healthcare disaster.

Apparently that stuff takes an average of 4 years off our life. People
who live the proper life will live around 4 years longer on average.

But the kicker is this:

When they got the stats on relative life expectancy, they found the
causes of death. Those obese and smoking and hard drinkin' jerks tended
to have a quick end, while the righteous proper folk tended to have long
debilitating ends.

My Mother-in-law didn't smoke, didn't drink, and spent the lat 8 years of
her life as an dementia patient in a nursing home. I cringe every time I
think of that happening to me.

The problem with lengthening our lives is that any gains we make are at
the wrong end.

- 73 de Mike N3LI -


Some thoughts on the wisdom above: all those articles citing studies
involving statistics benefit not you, but i) the newspaper reporter making
his wages for doing this, ii) the medical school professor getting the
grants to do the work (including pay his/her salary [i.e. the school gets
its staff for free]), and iii) the bean-counter actuaries who work with
the insurance companies figuring out what premiums to charge you based on
any factors that significantly affect the mortality curves.

No doctor can plug into you any "voltmeter" (or cholesterol meter, or
weight meter, etc), and tell you because of X, YOU're going to live N more
days. You can calculate satellite orbits, miles of gas left in your car's
gas tank, and minutes of light left in a flashlight with considerable
accuracy, but in a biological animal, you can't make those kinds of
predictions unless you're talking about death being caused by bleeding at
high rates or you're in the middle of suffering a hearth attack or the
likes of that.

Now, enjoy the rest of your life as best you can (ice cream, booze, don't
smoke tobacco around me, etc) and consider that if you agonize too much
over things, then those visits to the psychiatrists will cut into your
entertainment budget AND you will be more unhappy.

73

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I've seen a lot of fit, slim, healthy and trim folks pass on in my 62 year
life. And not from car accidents, falling, electrocution, car crashes or
plane crashes. It seems that the active folks are actually worriers, more so
than we portly folks.

One thing I do know for sure is that after smoking for 35 years, quitting
was a mistake. The damage was already done to my body. The weight that I
gained after quitting has brought on myriad problems that I did not have
before, such as diabetes, high blood pressure, diabetic neuropathy, etc. Had
I just kept on smoking, chances are I would have been much better off.

If you don't smoke, don't start. If you do smoke at a good clip, think twice
before quitting. Had I to do quitting again with what I know now, no way
would I have done so. This is my seventh year having quit smoking. Now I
have this cotton picking seven year record to maintain and improve upon. And
over one hundred pounds of blubber to tote that I didn't have before I quit
smoking. I don't care what the doctors say. Being slim and smoking is lots
better than being a non smoker, but fat.

Now we need to arrange some lynching parties for the *******s that began
taxing cigarettes at a ridiculous rate.

Ed Cregger