Hi all, can you help me on this problem please?
My friend who lives not to far off from me has his PC`s wired up to the
Internet via wireless, this includes mouse, keyboard, and of course
Internet.
The neighbour who lives next door has a 14 element Yagi 2 mtr beam on
his roof alongside other antenna.
Since this has been put up every time it is switched on and operated (I
would think) it knocks out the wireless Internet and mouse and keyboard.
And also the telephones that are also wireless. (I think they are the
digital type)
Is there any thing that can be done?
He has approached the neighbour but he wont have any of it and simply
will not listen.
This has only happend since all the equipment has been installed on the
roof.


TIA.

"Wolfgang Fartbubble" wrote in message
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Hi all, can you help me on this problem please?
My friend who lives not to far off from me has his PC`s wired up to the
Internet via wireless, this includes mouse, keyboard, and of course
Internet.
The neighbour who lives next door has a 14 element Yagi 2 mtr beam on his
roof alongside other antenna.
Since this has been put up every time it is switched on and operated (I
would think) it knocks out the wireless Internet and mouse and keyboard.
And also the telephones that are also wireless. (I think they are the
digital type)
Is there any thing that can be done?
He has approached the neighbour but he wont have any of it and simply will
not listen.
This has only happend since all the equipment has been installed on the
roof.

Assuming the licensed amateur station has been installed with all applicable
measures taken to reduce RFI, then there is not a whole lot of recourse for
the guy with all the unlicensed wireless stuff other than to buy wireless
stuff that has better filtering.

Wolfgang Fartbubble wrote:
He has approached the neighbour but he wont have any of it and simply
will not listen.

In the majority of the world (including the US and the UK) the 2.4GHz
ISM band is available for wireless use by unlicensed users on a
secondary basis. That means that wireless users may not interfere with
others, and must tolerate any interference received.

In this case the licensed neighbor is under no legal obligation to do
anything to correct the interference.

Wolfgang Fartbubble wrote in news:T6Rwg.10251
:

Hi all, can you help me on this problem please?
My friend who lives not to far off from me has his PC`s wired up to the
Internet via wireless, this includes mouse, keyboard, and of course
Internet.
The neighbour who lives next door has a 14 element Yagi 2 mtr beam on
his roof alongside other antenna.
Since this has been put up every time it is switched on and operated (I
would think) it knocks out the wireless Internet and mouse and
keyboard.
And also the telephones that are also wireless. (I think they are the
digital type)
Is there any thing that can be done?
He has approached the neighbour but he wont have any of it and simply
will not listen.
This has only happend since all the equipment has been installed on the
roof.


TIA.


It is highly unlikely that the neighbor's 2M ham equipment is causing
any of your friend's problems. It sounds to me like there has been
little evidence to indicate otherwise, other than the physical presence
of antennas on the roof.

A more likely cause for your friend's problems is that a neighbor
(maybe even the ham) has computer wireless networking equipment of some
kind, and this is interfering with your friend's network. Or, it could
be cordless telephones that also operate in the wireless network
frequencies.

You really need to get more facts as to what is actually happening in
your friend's house and do some research before blaming the ham. It
could be him, but more likely it is another cause. To bad the ham is
not cooperative as this could probably get him off the hook for the
cause.

Good luck.

Ed K7AAT

On 23 Jul 2006 21:34:33 GMT, Ed
wrote:

Wolfgang Fartbubble wrote in news:T6Rwg.10251
:

Hi all, can you help me on this problem please?
My friend who lives not to far off from me has his PC`s wired up to the
Internet via wireless, this includes mouse, keyboard, and of course
Internet.
The neighbour who lives next door has a 14 element Yagi 2 mtr beam on
his roof alongside other antenna.
Since this has been put up every time it is switched on and operated (I
would think) it knocks out the wireless Internet and mouse and
keyboard.
And also the telephones that are also wireless. (I think they are the
digital type)
Is there any thing that can be done?
He has approached the neighbour but he wont have any of it and simply
will not listen.
This has only happend since all the equipment has been installed on the
roof.


TIA.


It is highly unlikely that the neighbor's 2M ham equipment is causing
any of your friend's problems. It sounds to me like there has been
little evidence to indicate otherwise, other than the physical presence
of antennas on the roof.

A more likely cause for your friend's problems is that a neighbor
(maybe even the ham) has computer wireless networking equipment of some
kind, and this is interfering with your friend's network. Or, it could
be cordless telephones that also operate in the wireless network
frequencies.

You really need to get more facts as to what is actually happening in
your friend's house and do some research before blaming the ham. It
could be him, but more likely it is another cause. To bad the ham is
not cooperative as this could probably get him off the hook for the
cause.

Good luck.

Ed K7AAT

I agree. I run 100-watts to a 20-element 2-meter beam, and there is
no interference to my wireless network, wireless phones, wireless
keyboards or wireless mice. And none of my neighbors have reported
any problems either. Does this happen when the ham is not even home?

Dick - W6CCD

Wolfgang Fartbubble wrote in news:T6Rwg.10251
:

Hi all, can you help me on this problem please?
My friend who lives not to far off from me has his PC`s wired up to the
Internet via wireless, this includes mouse, keyboard, and of course
Internet.
The neighbour who lives next door has a 14 element Yagi 2 mtr beam on
his roof alongside other antenna.
Since this has been put up every time it is switched on and operated (I
would think) it knocks out the wireless Internet and mouse and keyboard.
And also the telephones that are also wireless. (I think they are the
digital type)
Is there any thing that can be done?
He has approached the neighbour but he wont have any of it and simply
will not listen.
This has only happend since all the equipment has been installed on the
roof.


TIA.

Hmmmmm........ What bands does your friends equipment use? From the
information you have given, you have no reason to select the ham next door
as the cause, other than he has a 2 meter antenna on his property. The
equipment in your freinds own home could be part of the problem. e.g. If
the cordless phones are 2.4 Ghz they could be killing the Internet
connection whenever the phone rings. The mouse and keyboard could be
bluetooth devices and they also work in the same band. Then there is the
possibiltiy that someone in the neighbourhood also has a wireless network
running on the same channel, or 2.4Ghz cordless phones and that could be
the cause of some of his grief. It requires much more investigation that
you seem to have done before you can say the guy with the ham antenna is
the cause. Two meters is a long way from the ISM 2.4Ghz band. It would be
highly unlikely that equipment in the 2 meter band would interfere with
2.4 Ghz equipment.

I am also surprised the ham is being uncooperative, but if he was
approached in an adversarial manner, that could explain it. I'm sure he is
well aware that the devices of which you speak are Part 15 and that he
does not have any obligation to mitigate the problem even if he is the
cause. Most hams would at least help investigate the problem if nothing to
clear his good name.

You can use Netstumbler to check for orther networks in the neighbourhood.
Download it from:

http://www.netstumbler.com/downloads/

Install and run it on a wirelessly connected computer (preferably a
laptop), It will very quickly show what wireless networks are around the
location. You might be amazed at how many there are !!!

Hope it helps a bit.


--
Panzer

Panzer240 wrote:
Wolfgang Fartbubble wrote in news:T6Rwg.10251
:

Hi all, can you help me on this problem please?
My friend who lives not to far off from me has his PC`s wired up to the
Internet via wireless, this includes mouse, keyboard, and of course
Internet.
The neighbour who lives next door has a 14 element Yagi 2 mtr beam on
his roof alongside other antenna.
Since this has been put up every time it is switched on and operated (I
would think) it knocks out the wireless Internet and mouse and keyboard.
And also the telephones that are also wireless. (I think they are the
digital type)
Is there any thing that can be done?
He has approached the neighbour but he wont have any of it and simply
will not listen.
This has only happend since all the equipment has been installed on the
roof.


TIA.

Hmmmmm........ What bands does your friends equipment use? From the
information you have given, you have no reason to select the ham next door
as the cause, other than he has a 2 meter antenna on his property. The
equipment in your freinds own home could be part of the problem. e.g. If
the cordless phones are 2.4 Ghz they could be killing the Internet
connection whenever the phone rings. The mouse and keyboard could be
bluetooth devices and they also work in the same band. Then there is the
possibiltiy that someone in the neighbourhood also has a wireless network
running on the same channel, or 2.4Ghz cordless phones and that could be
the cause of some of his grief. It requires much more investigation that
you seem to have done before you can say the guy with the ham antenna is
the cause. Two meters is a long way from the ISM 2.4Ghz band. It would be
highly unlikely that equipment in the 2 meter band would interfere with
2.4 Ghz equipment.

I am also surprised the ham is being uncooperative, but if he was
approached in an adversarial manner, that could explain it. I'm sure he is
well aware that the devices of which you speak are Part 15 and that he
does not have any obligation to mitigate the problem even if he is the
cause. Most hams would at least help investigate the problem if nothing to
clear his good name.

You can use Netstumbler to check for orther networks in the neighbourhood.
Download it from:

http://www.netstumbler.com/downloads/

Install and run it on a wirelessly connected computer (preferably a
laptop), It will very quickly show what wireless networks are around the
location. You might be amazed at how many there are !!!

Hope it helps a bit.


Ok thank you all for your kind replies.

He was approached with kindness, but sadly he is the type that is above
many laws and not just Amateur Radio.

I shall send my friend a link to netstumbler as you suggest, who knows
this may give him some help.

Many thanks all.

Mike.

Dick wrote:
On 23 Jul 2006 21:34:33 GMT, Ed
wrote:

Wolfgang Fartbubble wrote in news:T6Rwg.10251
:

Hi all, can you help me on this problem please?
My friend who lives not to far off from me has his PC`s wired up to the
Internet via wireless, this includes mouse, keyboard, and of course
Internet.
The neighbour who lives next door has a 14 element Yagi 2 mtr beam on
his roof alongside other antenna.
Since this has been put up every time it is switched on and operated (I
would think) it knocks out the wireless Internet and mouse and
keyboard.
And also the telephones that are also wireless. (I think they are the
digital type)
Is there any thing that can be done?
He has approached the neighbour but he wont have any of it and simply
will not listen.
This has only happend since all the equipment has been installed on the
roof.


TIA.

It is highly unlikely that the neighbor's 2M ham equipment is causing
any of your friend's problems. It sounds to me like there has been
little evidence to indicate otherwise, other than the physical presence
of antennas on the roof.

A more likely cause for your friend's problems is that a neighbor
(maybe even the ham) has computer wireless networking equipment of some
kind, and this is interfering with your friend's network. Or, it could
be cordless telephones that also operate in the wireless network
frequencies.

You really need to get more facts as to what is actually happening in
your friend's house and do some research before blaming the ham. It
could be him, but more likely it is another cause. To bad the ham is
not cooperative as this could probably get him off the hook for the
cause.

Good luck.

Ed K7AAT

I agree. I run 100-watts to a 20-element 2-meter beam, and there is
no interference to my wireless network, wireless phones, wireless
keyboards or wireless mice. And none of my neighbors have reported
any problems either. Does this happen when the ham is not even home?

Dick - W6CCD


Hi, yes it only happens when he is at home.
This has only happened since the antenna has been put up on the roof.,
never before.

Mike.

"Wolfgang Fartbubble" wrote in message
news


Hi, yes it only happens when he is at home.
This has only happened since the antenna has been put up on the roof.,
never before.

Mike.

Still does not prove that it comes from the ham's setup. It could be merely
coincidental. Something else may have happened in the area that is the
problem. Coincidences do happen.

"Dee Flint" wrote in message
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"Wolfgang Fartbubble" wrote in message
news


Hi, yes it only happens when he is at home.
This has only happened since the antenna has been put up on the roof.,
never before.

Mike.

Still does not prove that it comes from the ham's setup. It could be
merely coincidental. Something else may have happened in the area that is
the problem. Coincidences do happen.

FWIW, The last time I put up a tower with antennas, I left the feedlines and
rotor control cables coiled and tie-wrapped to the side of the tower for a
week.... I got a dozen complaints..... turned out that there was an
unauthorized and *very* illegal CB station on the next block over. The CB'er
ended up in a real world of hurt.... this was in family housing on a Navy
base. Between the Navy, and the FCC.... well, lets just say that he can't
even go near a transmitter for a very long time.

-n6ojn