(minor pruning of groups)

KØHB wrote:

"D. Stussy" wrote


[seatbelts]
Another example of the Great Dumbing Down of America.

The world is methodically being dumbed down by government efforts to protect
us from stupid people.

Stupid drivers don't recognize the dangers of speed, so they drive too fast
and kill themselves. The government regulates speed, so now more stupid
people survive.
[...]

Most people aren't willing to be this honest. But it is true -- nature
prunes itself, everywhere from the old branches on that oak tree in your
backyard, to the newly-hatched turtle who can't make it to the shoreline
before the seagull eats him up.

It's sad but true. And as usual, humans are trying to change the way
nature works.

My guess is that the dinosaurs tried that once.

ONCE.

Dave
KZ1O

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Get a copy of the New Jersey Police Manual. They are approx. $30.00 from
http://www.gannlaw.com/

If you can't the prosecutor (NJ does not use the term District Attorney) is
obligated to let you use his /hers in your defense. You should just be able
to quote the state statute.

The cop was probably trying to just give you a hard time figuring you don't
know the law. I doubt the officer will pursue this further.

73

Bob, K2NNJ

"DooDahMan" wrote in message
...

What should I do? I know for a fact that it's not illegal and this
asshole
harrassed me just cuz he was bored i suppose.

First, speak with some lawyers and the prosecutor/district attorney. If you
find you are in the right, then I would see if it's legal for you to record
everything. File a complaint against the cop and if they call you, record
what they say. They could come and lock you up, and then you could end up
with a nice nest egg.

Midwest Kid wrote:

"DooDahMan" wrote in message
...

What should I do? I know for a fact that it's not illegal and this
asshole
harrassed me just cuz he was bored i suppose.

First, speak with some lawyers and the prosecutor/district attorney. If you
find you are in the right, then I would see if it's legal for you to record
everything. File a complaint against the cop and if they call you, record
what they say. They could come and lock you up, and then you could end up
with a nice nest egg.

Let's get real and stop the BS. The police are not going to lock anyone
up for having a scanner in their vehicle of not having the belt on.
That's the most stupid thing I have read.

You most likely was stopped to for NOT being buckled up. Most states
require some other violation before they can use the belt laws. The
scanner was just an after thought when the officer seen it. The majority
of police (citizens) know nothing about radio/scanner laws. It's not a
hobby like fishing or motorcycling etc..

What you DDM should do is stop being a nut and start being polite, just
like you would expect be to done to you. The newsgroups are not the
place to ask legal questions in the first place. As was stated, get a
copy of the scanner laws and show the officer, that could help him/her
in their duties and help keep the heat off off of you and someone else
in the future.

On Mon, 8 Dec 2003 wrote:
Midwest Kid wrote:
"DooDahMan" wrote in message
...

What should I do? I know for a fact that it's not illegal and this
asshole
harrassed me just cuz he was bored i suppose.

First, speak with some lawyers and the prosecutor/district attorney. If you
find you are in the right, then I would see if it's legal for you to record
everything. File a complaint against the cop and if they call you, record
what they say. They could come and lock you up, and then you could end up
with a nice nest egg.

Let's get real and stop the BS. The police are not going to lock anyone
up for having a scanner in their vehicle of not having the belt on.
That's the most stupid thing I have read.

You most likely was stopped to for NOT being buckled up. Most states
require some other violation before they can use the belt laws. The
scanner was just an after thought when the officer seen it. The majority
of police (citizens) know nothing about radio/scanner laws. It's not a
hobby like fishing or motorcycling etc..

Then they shouldn't be trying to enforce such laws or assume that something is
illegal just because they don't like it. They have no authority to enforce a
law that doesn't exist.

What you DDM should do is stop being a nut and start being polite, just
like you would expect be to done to you. The newsgroups are not the
place to ask legal questions in the first place. As was stated, get a
copy of the scanner laws and show the officer, that could help him/her
in their duties and help keep the heat off off of you and someone else
in the future.

"RHF" wrote in message
om...
DDM,

States have to demonstrate that they are 'enforcing' the "Seat
Belt" Laws or the Federal Government can cut certain Highway
and Transportation Funding that is 'tied' to "Safer Highways"


Thank You Jimmy Carter !
= Another Big Brother,
= = Big Government Idea !
= = = Form the Democrats [.]

And we can thank Mr. Reagan for blackmailing the states in a similar fashion
to raise the drinking age to 21.. I'm not certain that Carter had anything
much to do with the federal seatbelt mandate, but he had his own
boondoggles.. the 55mph speed limit, the banning of decorative gaslights,
etc. during the Arab oil embargo, and our own oil companies claiming we were
dangerously short on reserves so that they could gouge us at the pumps (at
least Carter's Attorney General made them give some of it back in the form
of free gas).

Doesn't matter anyway which party pushes this stuff.... it's BS. The
federal government has been strongarming states to do their bidding for
years.. wonder what the next unfunded mandate will be??

Brenda Ann wrote:

"RHF" wrote in message
om...
DDM,

States have to demonstrate that they are 'enforcing' the "Seat
Belt" Laws or the Federal Government can cut certain Highway
and Transportation Funding that is 'tied' to "Safer Highways"


Thank You Jimmy Carter !
= Another Big Brother,
= = Big Government Idea !
= = = Form the Democrats [.]

And we can thank Mr. Reagan for blackmailing the states in a similar fashion
to raise the drinking age to 21.. I'm not certain that Carter had anything
much to do with the federal seatbelt mandate, but he had his own
boondoggles.. the 55mph speed limit, the banning of decorative gaslights,
etc. during the Arab oil embargo, and our own oil companies claiming we were
dangerously short on reserves so that they could gouge us at the pumps (at
least Carter's Attorney General made them give some of it back in the form
of free gas).

Doesn't matter anyway which party pushes this stuff.... it's BS. The
federal government has been strongarming states to do their bidding for
years.. wonder what the next unfunded mandate will be??

Well I sure hope that it's Log Periodic antennas (a whole set of em!) for every
short-wave DXer out there.

And the big chunk of property to put 'em on too. And of course maintainence will
be done at the cost of the taxp...... er... Government too!

"N8KDV" wrote in message
...
Doesn't matter anyway which party pushes this stuff.... it's BS. The
federal government has been strongarming states to do their bidding for
years.. wonder what the next unfunded mandate will be??

Well I sure hope that it's Log Periodic antennas (a whole set of em!) for
every
short-wave DXer out there.

And the big chunk of property to put 'em on too. And of course
maintainence will
be done at the cost of the taxp...... er... Government too!


Hey, that works for me. Every time I drive onto Kunsan AB and see the huge
log periodic antenna they have there, I get all envious..

The "55" came from Nixon. You remember him and watergate.

"ONE" term Carter was a boondoggle.

Carter needed the FREE gas to cook his peanuts.

10-4 on the unfunded mandateed laws from the Feds. They make laws that
the states are required to enforce but fail to fund them.

Brenda Ann wrote:

And we can thank Mr. Reagan for blackmailing the states in a similar fashion
to raise the drinking age to 21.. I'm not certain that Carter had anything
much to do with the federal seatbelt mandate, but he had his own
boondoggles.. the 55mph speed limit, the banning of decorative gaslights,
etc. during the Arab oil embargo, and our own oil companies claiming we were
dangerously short on reserves so that they could gouge us at the pumps (at
least Carter's Attorney General made them give some of it back in the form
of free gas).

Doesn't matter anyway which party pushes this stuff.... it's BS. The
federal government has been strongarming states to do their bidding for
years.. wonder what the next unfunded mandate will be??

wrote:

The "55" came from Nixon. You remember him and watergate.

You ruined a good rant, Pappy!

- Mike -