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"John S." wrote:
Clearly Ebay and other internet sites won't completely replace in person sales, be it a hamfest, garage sale or estate auction. But the ease of bringing large numbers of buyers and sellers together via some internet connection has had a significant impact on brick and mortar operations. The ease of transacting a sale electronically be it for a Kenwood 940 or a spinning wheel can't be ignored. And the sellers that fail to react in some way will be left behind. Yeah, right. What about the people who don't even have a computer, or don't trust online transactions? They'll never go near E-bay. -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida |
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I think Peter is pretty much right with his observations, Project sets are
plentiful in the Northeast and upper mid west, and the West coast folks are really desperate! I very seldom buy on ebay, but do keep a watch on things. The only things I ever buy are large pickup only consoles that are close by. Most of the Restored stuff I sell ends up in the deep south or on the west coast, the Cost of living is so high in California that a Nice restoration at Retail WITH shipping across country is still a bargain out there. keith "Peter Wieck" wrote in message ps.com... After reading all this, and with the recent Kutztown event in the background, as well as my three weekend finds, I am not so sure eBay has much to do with anything as to radio prices or availability. This is based on several assumptions which I will list for correction/addition/amplification: a) the west, southwest and south in general suffer from a dearth of good radios. This has been the case for the over 20 years I have been in the hobby and remains the case today. Exceptions include Florida & Maryland... stretch to make MD a 'southern' state although it is below the Mason/Dixon line. b) the Pacific northwest suffers from the same lack to a lesser degree. With this in mind, eBay has always been a presence in areas where the natural crop is limited or non-existent. This group will typically have a view of radios that is wildly distorted in price, as they start with the "everything costs $15" mentality based on shipping alone. As one moves east especially into (former) wealthier parts of it, and around older major cities (Chicago, Minneapolis, Detroit and so forth), radios become thicker and thicker until one hits the East Coast, where even the most limited multi-family garage sale will offer a few examples of *something* loosely described as being related to the hobby. Then, at Kutztown, the typical $30+shipping eBay brown bakelite radio goes in the $15-if-that range at the end-of-meet auction. And the $229-for-a-common-RCA (albeit polished to glow-in-the-dark proportions) simply does not happen. So, it is "all according to" location and opportunity. Kutztown is a free-to-the-public event held at a major Farmers' Market/Antique Market that also has weekly tables for anyone selling. Accordingly its attendance is disproportionately large and consists of a disproportionate amount of the "general public" walking through out of curiosity and because they were 'there anyway'. This would not happen at a destination-event if only because of the lack of general publicity as much as the uninterested public would never go nor have any reason to even be proximate that they might go. And, of course, the admission fee would deter those few that did happen to be straggling nearby. I will also state for the record that Kutztown had _at least_ thousands of radios in all states, of all types and in all price ranges, from high-end, high-tube-count consoles through lovingly restored tabletops through standard junk. The peripheral events are limited... no hotel-banquet-hall lectures, but those few were directly on-point and even of interest to non-radio people (The talk on Crystal sets, for example). So, from purely anecdotal evidence, it appears that those venues where the general public is not actively solicited, those venues that are 'preaching to the converted' are shrinking. Those that do solicit the general public, those that run at (apparently) a much lower key appear to be growing. The two local examples would be the DVHRC-sponsored events (Kutztown, PA) and the NJARC-sponsored events (Hazelet, NJ). Those of you that go to the NEARC events in Nashua, New Hampshire... how are they doing? I hear from some acquaintances that they are doing quite well? And I also hear that Rochester is a mere shadow of its former self? Is this true? In any case, I remain of the general belief that eBay is not a significant factor in the hobby to those in the east. And to those in the west or out-of-range of large, older population centers, it has _always_ been a factor, neither more nor less much than now. The thoughts of others are actively solicited! Peter Wieck Wyncote, PA |
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![]() "CAINE" wrote in message ups.com... anything you see sitting at a flea market late in the day, was most likely already tried on ebay, and didn't reach reserve, or got no bids. .... that could be 79% of your stuff.. sometimes you'll see stuff at flea markets that seems valuable, and underpriced, and no one is biting .... that could be 79% of your stuff ... that's cuz the marketeers already know, that particular item is hammered on ebay, too many listed, and the price is down- so they are cutting their losses and just dumping it .... that could be, yes, you guessed it 79% of your stuff marketeers will tell you, they'd rather sell it cheaper at the show, than for slightly more on ebay- because of ebay and paypal fees, and packaging work involved- .... but reviewing your ebay sales verses your not sold items maybe you should be a 'marketer' ... nitpicking assholes like DeserTBob on EBay, who want gold for a penny and free shipping .... I'll give you a penny for all your 8 tracks for free shipping!! |
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You cant touch or feel or converse as well with internet sales....nothing
beats the face to face events, if they are well run. In the antique radio world, Extravaganza is one of the best, Bolingbrook is making a strong comeback from the Elgin days, Charlotte is strong and Kutztown is overflowing into the next pavilion. All you have to do is have a good facility, be open to the general public for free or little money, and promote your show like crazy. An enforced set start time makes it more fair, as Extravaganza and Charlotte have proved. The other two should consider that... I sold at Dayton in '96 and '97. It was sliding down then even in my opinion... I only sold about $1300 worth in two days... about half that could be considered profit. Not worth it for what was essentially 4.5 days worth of work (1 day loading, 2 days there, one day RT driving, half day unloading). I had all tube era stuff.. tube sockets, capacitors, trimmers, Ham type tubes, etc, etc. All the guys stolling by had "Rice Boxes" strapped to their belts and didnt know which end of a soldering iron to hold. One guy even held up an old RCA 811 tube to show his buddy and said "I remember when we used to use these things!" His buddy'd never seen a tube I think, and he was about 35, this being back in '96. I had 100 pc bags of mylar and filter caps priced lower than anywhere, and I mean ANYWHERE. Still do. Mark Oppat "John S." wrote in message oups.com... Peter Wieck wrote: After reading all this, and with the recent Kutztown event in the background, as well as my three weekend finds, I am not so sure eBay has much to do with anything as to radio prices or availability. This is based on several assumptions which I will list for correction/addition/amplification: Internet based sales have a huge advantage over in-place sales like Dayton. Ebay and other sales sites can as we all know bring sellers from around the world at any time of the day. It just isn't possible to get that kind of coverage at an arena in Ohio. To the extent that buyer and seller are honest (and most are) internet sales work very well because money and the good to be sold have to be moved only once. It is for the exact same reason that in-person antique shows are having a hard go of it. |
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Mark Oppat wrote:
I had 100 pc bags of mylar and filter caps priced lower than anywhere, and I mean ANYWHERE. Still do. I picked up two 100-piece bags of .1 uF bypass caps for fifty cents apiece at American Science & Surplus a while back. That's more the exception than the rule there, though, because they usually know pretty much what items are worth. -- Britney Spears' Guide to Semiconductor Physics http://britneyspears.ac/lasers.htm |
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![]() John S. wrote: Peter Wieck wrote: After reading all this, and with the recent Kutztown event in the background, as well as my three weekend finds, I am not so sure eBay has much to do with anything as to radio prices or availability. This is based on several assumptions which I will list for correction/addition/amplification: Internet based sales have a huge advantage over in-place sales like Dayton. Ebay and other sales sites can as we all know bring sellers from around the world at any time of the day. It just isn't possible to get that kind of coverage at an arena in Ohio. To the extent that buyer and seller are honest (and most are) internet sales work very well because money and the good to be sold have to be moved only once. It is for the exact same reason that in-person antique shows are having a hard go of it. eBay rarely enters into my search for antiques and it anything has sharpened my abilities to find local goods. |
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![]() Michael A. Terrell wrote: "John S." wrote: Clearly Ebay and other internet sites won't completely replace in person sales, be it a hamfest, garage sale or estate auction. But the ease of bringing large numbers of buyers and sellers together via some internet connection has had a significant impact on brick and mortar operations. The ease of transacting a sale electronically be it for a Kenwood 940 or a spinning wheel can't be ignored. And the sellers that fail to react in some way will be left behind. Yeah, right. What about the people who don't even have a computer, or don't trust online transactions? They'll never go near E-bay. They will be left in the dust. I suppose those who don't have a computer or don't trust online transactions could try setting up an ether-based net using morse code. I suspect that it will be largely one-way communications though. -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida |
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I suppose next you'll attack yard sales. You're despicable.
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"John S." wrote:
They will be left in the dust. I suppose those who don't have a computer or don't trust online transactions could try setting up an ether-based net using morse code. I suspect that it will be largely one-way communications though. Like yours. Welcome to the bit bucket. -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida |
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In article om,
(known to some as Peter Wieck) scribed... After reading all this, and with the recent Kutztown event in the background, as well as my three weekend finds, I am not so sure eBay has much to do with anything as to radio prices or availability. This is based on several assumptions which I will list for correction/addition/amplification: snippety My own observations on Greed-bay vs. hamateur swap meets (and swap meets catering to electronics in general) may be found here (shameless plug alert!) http://www.bluefeathertech.com/technoid/Scrounger.html -- Dr. Anton T. Squeegee, Director, Dutch Surrealist Plumbing Institute (Known to some as Bruce Lane, KC7GR) http://www.bluefeathertech.com -- kyrrin a/t bluefeathertech d-o=t calm "Salvadore Dali's computer has surreal ports..." |
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