I'm playing with super-regenerative oscillators in LTSpice.

My question concerns the 230XP valve VHF super-regenerative oscillator in
this figure 8.9:

http://www.holmea.demon.co.uk/temp/duplex.jpg

Here's figure 8.11 from the same book:

http://www.holmea.demon.co.uk/temp/iff.jpg

The text reads: "the super-regenerative oscillator in figure 8.11 is a
triode valve connected in a commonly used high-frequency circuit of the
Hartley type which relies on the internal capacities of the valve for its
operation." Why is it a Hartley when the tap is fed through an RFC?

Does the 230XP oscillator in figure 8.9 also rely on internal valve
capacities? How do these oscillators work? What is special about tuning
capacitor C in figure 8.11? What is the role of the cathode chokes?

I've been playing with JFET oscillator circuits in LTSpice and I can't get
them to oscillate unless the LC network between drain and gate creates a
phase inversion. How do these valve circuits make 0 (or 360 degrees) of
phase shift around the loop?

What is the nearest semiconductor equivalent of the above valve circuits?
Below is a JFET oscillator with feedback from drain to gate; but no reliance
on parasitic capacities, although I'm sure they affect the frequency. Is
this an LC Pierce?

http://www.holmea.demon.co.uk/temp/osc.asc

TIA
Andrew.

"Andrew Holme" wrote in message
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I'm playing with super-regenerative oscillators in LTSpice.

My question concerns the 230XP valve VHF super-regenerative oscillator in
this figure 8.9:

http://www.holmea.demon.co.uk/temp/duplex.jpg

Here's figure 8.11 from the same book:

http://www.holmea.demon.co.uk/temp/iff.jpg

The text reads: "the super-regenerative oscillator in figure 8.11 is a
triode valve connected in a commonly used high-frequency circuit of the
Hartley type which relies on the internal capacities of the valve for its
operation." Why is it a Hartley when the tap is fed through an RFC?

Does the 230XP oscillator in figure 8.9 also rely on internal valve
capacities? How do these oscillators work? What is special about tuning
capacitor C in figure 8.11? What is the role of the cathode chokes?

I've been playing with JFET oscillator circuits in LTSpice and I can't get
them to oscillate unless the LC network between drain and gate creates a
phase inversion. How do these valve circuits make 0 (or 360 degrees) of
phase shift around the loop?

What is the nearest semiconductor equivalent of the above valve circuits?
Below is a JFET oscillator with feedback from drain to gate; but no
reliance on parasitic capacities, although I'm sure they affect the
frequency. Is this an LC Pierce?

http://www.holmea.demon.co.uk/temp/osc.asc

TIA
Andrew.


I'm wondering if they're actually common-grid oscillators relying on
anode-to-cathode parasitic capacitance. This circuit oscillates:

http://www.holmea.demon.co.uk/temp/osc2.gif

Andrew Holme wrote:
I'm wondering if they're actually common-grid oscillators relying on
anode-to-cathode parasitic capacitance. This circuit oscillates:

http://www.holmea.demon.co.uk/temp/osc2.gif

A very perplexing circuit. I'm not sure the original author of this
circuit completely understood how it actually worked either! There are
at least two plausible mechanisms for the RF feedback, the plate-cathode
feedback from inter-element capacitances, or plate-grid feedback from
the tank itself through the unmarked capacitor to the grid.

I think the feedback mainly comes from the capacitor to the grid from
other side of the tank. (ie a Hartley oscillator) That cap is just a DC
blocker I believe. You could probably replace V1 with a JFET and the
circuit would work fine without a drain-source feedback capacitor.

The RFC in the cathode circuit is to prevent C1 from shunting the RF on
the cathode. This makes the plate-cathode feedback more likely,
especially as the plate circuit is floated by its own RFC. I have no
idea of the properties of a CV6 tube so I can only guess what is really
going on.

The cathode circuit looks very much like it is a self-quenching circuit,
but the diagram below suggests it is separately quenched? This is an
IFF transponder? The feedback loop is interesting, looks like reflexing
to me. I'd guess the entire circuit oscillates at the quench frequency
and the modulation is recovered by filtering that output?

I've always wanted to build a toy walkie talkie from a similar circuit.
Super-regen on RX and AM on TX by changing the source and drain
circuits on T/R.

--
Alan Yates
http://www.vk2zay.net/
The Moon is Waning Crescent (17% of Full)

"Alan Yates" wrote in message
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The cathode circuit looks very much like it is a self-quenching circuit,
but the diagram below suggests it is separately quenched? This is an IFF
transponder? The feedback loop is interesting, looks like reflexing to
me. I'd guess the entire circuit oscillates at the quench frequency and
the modulation is recovered by filtering that output?

It's an IFF responder and it's separately quenched. When lit by radar, it
emits a pulse of characteristic duration and much stronger than a passive
reflection.

The book also contains examples of the same oscillator circuit but without
the cathode choke i.e. grounded cathode.

On Sun, 4 Nov 2007 12:20:37 -0000, "Andrew Holme"
wrote:

I'm playing with super-regenerative oscillators in LTSpice.

My question concerns the 230XP valve VHF super-regenerative oscillator in
this figure 8.9:

http://www.holmea.demon.co.uk/temp/duplex.jpg

Here's figure 8.11 from the same book:

http://www.holmea.demon.co.uk/temp/iff.jpg

The text reads: "the super-regenerative oscillator in figure 8.11 is a
triode valve connected in a commonly used high-frequency circuit of the
Hartley type which relies on the internal capacities of the valve for its
operation." Why is it a Hartley when the tap is fed through an RFC?

Does the 230XP oscillator in figure 8.9 also rely on internal valve
capacities? How do these oscillators work? What is special about tuning
capacitor C in figure 8.11? What is the role of the cathode chokes?

I've been playing with JFET oscillator circuits in LTSpice and I can't get
them to oscillate unless the LC network between drain and gate creates a
phase inversion. How do these valve circuits make 0 (or 360 degrees) of
phase shift around the loop?

What is the nearest semiconductor equivalent of the above valve circuits?
Below is a JFET oscillator with feedback from drain to gate; but no reliance
on parasitic capacities, although I'm sure they affect the frequency. Is
this an LC Pierce?

Aha, that came form the unique (and now quite rare) book "Super-Regen
receivers" by JR Whitehead.

Without knowing what the RFC value is, it's hard to say what type of
oscillator it is.

There were thousands of super-regens built in the 1960's and 70's
using transistors, often OC170 and OC171, for radio control, door
openers, alarms, early CB sets and the like. I have a lot of
schematics somewhere.

There has been some more recent work done on super-regen receivers,
One was in QEX Sept-Oct 2000.

Barry