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If the interference is the result of a third order IMD product,
each 3 dB of rejection will yield a 9 dB improvement in the third order intercept point. A modest filter might yield surprising results, it isn't a linear relationship. Pete k1zjh "Surprising results" in a lab maybe. Still far short of real. An attenuator would tell you how much you really need. I used to use an HT with a dummy load instead of an antenna from Mt. Wilson to be able to talk into a box on Santiago Pk. Otherwise the HT couldn't even hear 500 WERP on-channel from the tower I could see with my own eyes. Be aware that you might only have 30 to 60 db of bolt on attenuation before case or cable leakage takes over. I used an Alinco 2m HT with a two section helical resonator outboard (most portable solution). There was 3 db of insertion loss and 20 db of rejection outside of a 3 Mhz window. This was a packet radio and resulted in a 10db improvement in performance on-channel, but this was a home station on a 6db stick 20 ft in the air. Would have been far short on a mountain though. I aslo used that combination for T-Hunting in addition to a fixed 60db pad and a switched 20/20/10db pad with double shielded coax and 4 el. Quad. My best solutions was to find places to listen from that were shielded from the major mountain tops. |
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Tio Pedro wrote: If the interference is the result of a third order IMD product, each 3 dB of rejection will yield a 9 dB improvement in the third order intercept point. A modest filter might yield surprising results, it isn't a linear relationship. For what it's worth: I used to have terrible pager-intermod problems with my Yaesu VX-5, when used with any reasonably-efficent antenna (e.g. J-pole)... pager-transmitter intermod drove it wild. This seems to be a common problem with most current-generation HTs, with their wide-open "DC to daylight" front ends whose high sensitivity (for use with lossy rubber-duck antennas) leaves them prone to being badly blasted by strong signals. The solution I settled upon was the PAR Electronics VHFTN152-158, a notch filter specifically tuned to eliminate the VHF paging band, while passing other signals. PAR claims a notch depth of 50 dB (typical) at pager frequencies, with low loss at 2M and 440 frequencies. From the look of the filter, I believe it's probably a set of three helical resonators shunted across the line. Problem solved - the VX-5 suffers no pager intermod at all that I can hear. The same filter did *not* help, though, in curing a desense problem with our repeater's remote-link receiver, which was being blasted by a newly-installed paging system located in the same building. The pager was operating up in the mid-160MHz range, outside of the PAR filter's notch. We installed a DCI cavity-bandpass filter and the problem went away. In re the OP's problem - I wonder whether it might be possible to home-brew a moderate-Q helical filter to serve as a notch? The old ARRL VHF handbook has some diagrams of this sort of thing. As Tio points out, one might not need all that deep a notch to result in an acceptable reduction in intermodulation and desense. -- Dave Platt AE6EO Friends of Jade Warrior home page: http://www.radagast.org/jade-warrior I do _not_ wish to receive unsolicited commercial email, and I will boycott any company which has the gall to send me such ads! |
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