On Sun, 31 May 2009 11:16:42 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On May 31, 10:06*am, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

http://www.hdtvprimer.com/ANTENNAS/comparing.html
Unfortunately, the SS-1000 and SS-1000 are not listed.

Sure it is but it's called 'Square Shooter'

Sorry, typo error. I mean't the SS-1000 and SS-2000 (amplified). It
does list the "Sharp Shooter" which is a different indoor antenna.

What's inside the SS-1000 and some really weird "gain" tests:
http://www.hdtvexpert.com/pages/squareshot.htm

As I said, I use it 35 miles out from Mt Wilson (Los Angeles) and have
it split 4 ways - no preamps. I do have Line Of Sight (just barely)

Yes, but the original poster may not have such an ideal location.

Also, bad guess on the beamwidth. It's 54 (channel 69) to 95 (channel
7) degrees. Sorry.

You're right, it isn't very directional but it has a reasonable front-
to-back ratio.

It varies with frequency. It's only 2.6dB at channel 10. See specs
below.

All I can say is I've been using Winegard antennas since 1974 and have
found them to be well built good performers and have never been
disappointed with their products. Also, any friends who took my advice
were never disappointed with either the antannas OR me.

I try to avoid shopping by brand. Even the best manufacturers have
their lemons and losers. Right now, the advertising trend is to
replace your existing antenna with an HD or Digital TV antenna,
whatever that means. Also, to make it look like a DBS dish, which is
generally accepted by most HOA.

Specs and details:
http://www.winegarddirect.com/pdf/spec_ss1000-ss2000.pdf
http://www.winegarddirect.com/squareshooter-ss1000-ss2000/winegard-square-shooter.htm
http://www.winegarddirect.com/viewitem~p~ss-1000~d~Winegard-SS1000-SquareShooter-UHF-Only-DigitalAnalogHDTV-Antenna-System-(SS1000)~post~.htm
I don't see much to complain about in the design and construction of
this antenna. However, whether it's suitable for the OP's location
and application is unknown.

--
Jeff Liebermann
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

Yes, but the original poster may not have such an ideal location.

TV Fool azimuth plot:

http://i44.tinypic.com/2a4wghx.jpg

Was considering 3 antennae with wide reception angles pointed generally at
45, 140, 310 deg. Only 3 are LOS (15, 18, 33)

Pretty flat terrain, no tall structures nearby . Top of the mast: 14 ft. agl.


Thanks.
--
Al, the usual

On Sun, 31 May 2009 14:04:50 -0700, Usual Suspect
wrote:

Yes, but the original poster may not have such an ideal location.

TV Fool azimuth plot:
http://i44.tinypic.com/2a4wghx.jpg

Nice plot. Kinda looks like you'll need a rotator. The -3dB
beamwidth varies from 54 to 95 degrees. At best, 3 antennas will
cover 3*95 = 285 degrees. At worst, 3*54 = 162 degrees.

Was considering 3 antennae with wide reception angles pointed generally at
45, 140, 310 deg. Only 3 are LOS (15, 18, 33)

What are the ranges and approximate signal strengths? Looks like 18
and 33 can be covered with one antenna pointed at about 250 degrees. A
second antenna at 45 degrees *MIGHT* catch the largest number of
channels. However, there's no optimum location for a 3rd antenna to
catch all the remaining stations. You'll probably have to pick and
choose among the relatively strong ones and take what you can get.
With a UHF only antenna, stations 2-13 are problematic (or
impossible). If you're going to run multiple antennas, you'll
probably need an antenna switch, 3 tower mounted amplifiers, and 3
coax cable runs. If you try to combine then with a power splitter,
you'll get interaction between antennas and an ugly and unpredictable
pattern.

With an indoor antenna of any sorts, which ones can you receive
(including the weak ones)? With only 4dBi of antenna gain, I don't
think you'll be able to dig the ones you can't receive out of the
noise.

Pretty flat terrain, no tall structures nearby . Top of the mast: 14 ft. agl.

They let you have a 14 ft mast and you're worried about the antenna
police? Might as well go for broke. Install a real yagi antenna,
tower mounted amplifier, and rotator. For the tower amp, I recommend
a Channel Master 7777.
http://www.channelmasterintl.com/amplifiers.html
For an antenna, whatever you can find. The bigger and uglier the
anenna, the better it works. See specs at:
http://www.hdtvprimer.com/ANTENNAS/comparing.html

If you're not sure, buy just one antenna, hang it out the window on a
broom stick, and see what it does. If you're close, continue with
your proposed ideas. If it looks hopeless, give up before you burn
any more money.


--
Jeff Liebermann
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On May 31, 11:52*am, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sun, 31 May 2009 11:16:42 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
On May 31, 10:06*am, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
http://www.hdtvprimer.com/ANTENNAS/comparing.html
Unfortunately, the SS-1000 and SS-1000 are not listed.

Sure it is but it's called 'Square Shooter'

Sorry, typo error. *I mean't the SS-1000 and SS-2000 (amplified). *It
does list the "Sharp Shooter" which is a different indoor antenna.

What's inside the SS-1000 and some really weird "gain" tests:
http://www.hdtvexpert.com/pages/squareshot.htm

It's antenna 'M', the Square Shooter

As I said, I use it 35 miles out from Mt Wilson (Los Angeles) and have
it split 4 ways - no preamps. I do have Line Of Sight (just barely)

Yes, but the original poster may not have such an ideal location.

And that is why I point out my line of sight condidtion at 35 miles

Also, bad guess on the beamwidth. *It's 54 (channel 69) to 95 (channel
7) degrees. *Sorry.

You're right, it isn't very directional but it has a reasonable front-
to-back ratio.

It varies with frequency. *It's only 2.6dB at channel 10. *See specs
below.

I don't expect it to be usable where I'm at for channels 7,9,11 and
13. I'll try it and if / when it fails, I'll tie in the VHF of the
Winegard in the garage eaves. Hopefully its VHF performance will make
the grade under the roof 'chaff'. If the wife would put up with the
all channel garage antenna on the roof, it would certainly be fine BUT
she doesn't want to look at it, hence the SS-1000 at least for the
UHF.

All I can say is I've been using Winegard antennas since 1974 and have
found them to be well built good performers and have never been
disappointed with their products. Also, any friends who took my advice
were never disappointed with either the antannas OR me.

I try to avoid shopping by brand. *Even the best manufacturers have
their lemons and losers. *Right now, the advertising trend is to
replace your existing antenna with an HD or Digital TV antenna,
whatever that means. *Also, to make it look like a DBS dish, which is
generally accepted by most HOA.

Specs and details: *
http://www.winegarddirect.com/pdf/spec_ss1000-ss2000.pdf
http://www.winegarddirect.com/squareshooter-ss1000-ss2000/winegard-sq...
http://www.winegarddirect.com/viewitem~p~ss-1000~d~Winegard-SS1000-Sq...
I don't see much to complain about in the design and construction of
this antenna. *However, whether it's suitable for the OP's location
and application is unknown.

--
Jeff Liebermann * *

You won't find any new Sony at our house but you will find 4 Gigabyte
motherboards with AMD processors, 3 old Technics receivers, 8 Advent
speakers, Canon cameras and a lot of who knows what. When one of the
brands falls short I'll re-evaluate but for now I'm happy.

G²