I have been getting sounds in our house that seems to come from
electronic stuff around the house.
I also listened to what sounded like voices coming from behind the
computer?

We as a Family are stumped. We have written Bell Canada as well as
call there teck support, They don't understand what voice over ip
provider?

Someone has mentioned that this could be happening to get into banks ,
homes, anything really. If you hack could you please tell me how to
fix this.

As we said we are stumped?
Thanks
Dave
Toronto, Canada

In article 547a2f1e-d012-44e8-b887-
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says...
I have been getting sounds in our house that seems to come from
electronic stuff around the house.
I also listened to what sounded like voices coming from behind the
computer?

We as a Family are stumped. We have written Bell Canada as well as
call there teck support, They don't understand what voice over ip
provider?

Someone has mentioned that this could be happening to get into banks ,
homes, anything really. If you hack could you please tell me how to
fix this.

As we said we are stumped?
Thanks
Dave
Toronto, Canada

Do you use dialup, with an internal modem? Modern
telephone systems helpfully give a voice message for a busy
signal. This would come through the sounder unit on the
modem card: voice in the computer!

I have been getting sounds in our house that seems to come from
electronic stuff around the house.
I also listened to what sounded like voices coming from behind the
computer?

Voices coming out of loudspeakers or other electronic equipment which
contains them, can occur as the result of strong radio frequency
signals. A strong enough RF signal, modulated by someone's voice, can
be picked up by the household wiring (mains cables, telephone wire,
speaker cables, etc.) and leak into the electronic equipment. Once
inside the equipment, it can be accidentally "detected" (converted
from radio frequencies back to audio) by semiconductors in the
circuitry, amplified, and played out through the equipment's speakers.

Telephones, answering machines, baby monitors, powered subwoofers,
computer speaker systems, etc. can all be prone to this. I suppose
that an internal modem card in a PC - one with a loudspeaker - could
pick up enough RF via its phone-line connection to start detecting
audio in this way.

The strong RF signal might come from any of a number of sources... all
probably fairly close to the house. Commercial AM transmitters can
cause this, as can ham-radio transmitters, and CB radios. Here in the
U.S., *legal* CB transmissions usually aren't strong enough to cause
problems, but some CB operators use illegal high-power amplifiers that
can boost the signal far enough to cause this sort of inadvertent
pickup.

I don't know what the law is about this sort of problem in Canada.
Here in the U.S., the FCC generally considers it to be a defect in the
equipment which is picking up the RF - if a device isn't *supposed* to
be a radio, it shouldn't *behave" like a radio, is their thinking.
It's referred to as "undesired operation", and the "Part 15" notice
which comes with most consumer electronic devices says that the device
"must accept radio frequency interference, including that which causes
undesired operation."

There are several ways to address the problem:

- Replace the RF-sensitive devices with better-designed devices that
don't have the problem.

- Add RF filters or chokes to the phone lines, speaker cables, power
lines, etc. to block the RF before it enters the equipment.

- Find the person or company whose transmitters are generating the RF,
and ask them to stop (they'll probably refuse, as they often have
a perfectly good legal license to transmit).

- Live with it.

- Move.

If you can find which pieces of equipment are picking up the RF (and,
in doing so, confirm that this is the problem) you can likely correct
the problem with some clamp-on ferrite chokes, and/or a telephone-line
RF filter (a DSL mini-filter may well do the job).

See http://www.palomar-engineers.com/RFI_Kit/rfi_kit.html for a kit of
ferrite components specifically intended for this sort of household
problem.

I'm not sure what connection there might be between the voices/noises
you are hearing, and any "voice over IP provider". Your message isn't
clear whether you actually have telephone service over IP, or whether
you think someone else's voice-over-IP service is affecting you
accidentally (very unlikely, in my opinion).

--
Dave Platt AE6EO
Friends of Jade Warrior home page: http://www.radagast.org/jade-warrior
I do _not_ wish to receive unsolicited commercial email, and I will
boycott any company which has the gall to send me such ads!

Dave,

Give us a little more information:

- are the sounds continuous? or only happen at certain times of the day?
- is it really voices? what does it sound like?
- "seems to come from electronic stuff around the house?" What kinds of
stuff? Only the PC?

- do you hear the sound even when the "stuff" is turned off? Some very
strong signals can by heard through stereo speakers even if the stereo is
not running.
- "coming from BEHIND the computer?" In other words, not from the computer's
speakers but somewhere else on the computer?
- How is your PC connected to the Internet: dial-up over phone lines? Cable
TV modem? Phone company DSL?

A few troubleshooting hints:

Some people living near Radio or TV stations can hear those stations in
electronic devices (phones, stereos, computer speakers). IF the sounds are
continuous, that may be the source.

If the sounds are not continuous, but only heard once in a while, the sounds
are more likely coming from some intermittent source. Perhaps a taxi cab or
trucking company radio, a local CB or Ham radio operator... something like
that.

Can you actually hear a voice, or does it sound like "Donald Duck?" If the
voice is intelligible, it is more likely a CB operator running AM (amplitude
modulation, the dominant mode on CB); whereas if it sounds like "Donald
Duck" talking, it may be a Ham Radio running SSB (single sideband, the
dominant mode on amateur radio).

As Dave Pratt mentioned in his excellent reply, there are ways to filter out
unwanted stray RF energy.... but first you need to understand the source and
how/where it is getting into your "stuff".

In my opinion, there is no way that VoIP (Voice over IP) could cause this
problem... for a whole bunch of geeky reasons. You need to look somewhere
else for the culprit.
--
-larry
K8UT
"gumbyridespokey" wrote in message
...
I have been getting sounds in our house that seems to come from
electronic stuff around the house.
I also listened to what sounded like voices coming from behind the
computer?

We as a Family are stumped. We have written Bell Canada as well as
call there teck support, They don't understand what voice over ip
provider?

Someone has mentioned that this could be happening to get into banks ,
homes, anything really. If you hack could you please tell me how to
fix this.

As we said we are stumped?
Thanks
Dave
Toronto, Canada

hey OM:

I know the fix;get about 100ft roll of chicken wire. around your
computer built a small closet sized room with a door all from the
chicken wire. when you bring in the power lines put emi filters and
hash filters on the AC line. when bringing in the coax cable to the
modem put clamp on ferrite filters over the coax. use the shortest
possible lan cable to the computer from the modem. and then make sure
you ground the chicken wire to a good cold water pipe

another thing voip phone service can't be demodulated with anything
but a voip box. the modulation techniques they are using can't
demodulated except with a voip box. And when they are in RF form the
cable modem has to demodulate the cable signals.

73 OM

de n8zu


On Jun 8, 9:07*am, "Larry Gauthier \(K8UT\)"
wrote:
Dave,

Give us a little more information:

- are the sounds continuous? or only happen at certain times of the day?
- is it really voices? what does it sound like?
- "seems to come from electronic stuff around the house?" What kinds of
stuff? Only the PC?

- do you hear the sound even when the "stuff" is turned off? Some very
strong signals can by heard through stereo speakers even if the stereo is
not running.
- "coming from BEHIND the computer?" In other words, not from the computer's
speakers but somewhere else on the computer?
- How is your PC connected to the Internet: dial-up over phone lines? Cable
TV modem? Phone company DSL?

A few troubleshooting hints:

Some people living near Radio or TV stations can hear those stations in
electronic devices (phones, stereos, computer speakers). IF the sounds are
continuous, that may be the source.

If the sounds are not continuous, but only heard once in a while, the sounds
are more likely coming from some intermittent source. Perhaps a taxi cab or
trucking company radio, a local CB or Ham radio operator... something like
that.

Can you actually hear a voice, or does it sound like "Donald Duck?" If the
voice is intelligible, it is more likely a CB operator running AM (amplitude
modulation, the dominant mode on CB); whereas if it sounds like "Donald
Duck" talking, it may be a Ham Radio running SSB (single sideband, the
dominant mode on amateur radio).

As Dave Pratt mentioned in his excellent reply, there are ways to filter out
unwanted stray RF energy.... but first you need to understand the source and
how/where it is getting into your "stuff".

In my opinion, there is no way that VoIP (Voice over IP) could cause this
problem... for a whole bunch of geeky reasons. You need to look somewhere
else for the culprit.
--
-larry
K8UT"gumbyridespokey" wrote in message

...

I have been getting sounds in our house that seems to come from
electronic stuff around the house.
I also listened to what sounded like voices coming from behind the
computer?

We as a Family are stumped. We have written Bell Canada as well as
call there teck support, They don't understand what voice over ip
provider?

Someone has mentioned that this could be happening to get into banks ,
homes, anything really. If you hack could you please tell me how to
fix this.

As we said we are stumped?
Thanks
Dave
Toronto, Canada

In article
,
raypsi wrote:

another thing voip phone service can't be demodulated with anything
but a voip box. the modulation techniques they are using can't
demodulated except with a voip box. And when they are in RF form the
cable modem has to demodulate the cable signals.

BS... there are plenty of Computer Apps that can demod VoIP streams,
and None of those are VoIP Boxes......

On Jun 12, 3:45*pm, You wrote:


there are plenty of Computer Apps that can demod VoIP streams,
and None of those are VoIP Boxes......

Hey OM:

Plenty? Name 5 of those so called computer apps.

73 OM

de n8zu

raypsi wrote:
On Jun 12, 3:45Â*pm, You wrote:


there are plenty of Computer Apps that can demod VoIP streams,
and None of those are VoIP Boxes......

Hey OM:

Plenty? Name 5 of those so called computer apps.

73 OM

de n8zu

Go to freshmeat.net and type VOIP in the search box.


--
Jim Pennino

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On Jun 15, 1:15 am, wrote:
raypsi wrote:
On Jun 12, 3:45 pm, You wrote:

there are plenty of Computer Apps that can demod VoIP streams,
and None of those are VoIP Boxes......

Hey OM:

Plenty? Name 5 of those so called computer apps.

73 OM

de n8zu

Go to freshmeat.net and type VOIP in the search box.


Hey OM:

That's rich, a hacker putting a SIP program that can access a VIOP
stream then somehow miraculously transduce the SIP VIOP into acoustic
energy out the back of his computer.

All those programs you need a sound card and speakers or headphones.
But hey maybe the hacker is using the modulating the case fans to make
audio out the back of his computer.? He didn't say the voices were
coming out his speakers.

How else is audio voices coming out the back of his computer? And
through out his house? He sure doesn't have SIP VIOP software in his
CD player?

Just tell me how to get SIP VIOP software into my cd player?

73 OM

de n8zu

"raypsi" wrote in message
...
On Jun 15, 1:15 am, wrote:
raypsi wrote:
On Jun 12, 3:45 pm, You wrote:

there are plenty of Computer Apps that can demod VoIP streams,
and None of those are VoIP Boxes......

Hey OM:

Plenty? Name 5 of those so called computer apps.

73 OM

de n8zu

Go to freshmeat.net and type VOIP in the search box.


Hey OM:

That's rich, a hacker putting a SIP program that can access a VIOP
stream then somehow miraculously transduce the SIP VIOP into acoustic
energy out the back of his computer.

All those programs you need a sound card and speakers or headphones.
But hey maybe the hacker is using the modulating the case fans to make
audio out the back of his computer.? He didn't say the voices were
coming out his speakers.

How else is audio voices coming out the back of his computer? And
through out his house? He sure doesn't have SIP VIOP software in his
CD player?

Just tell me how to get SIP VIOP software into my cd player?

73 OM

de n8zu


It's not uncommon for AM radio or CB to be induced into wiring and
demodulated simply by rectification. The result may be strong enough to
activate computer or stereo speakers or the little transducer on dial-up
modem cards or even metal flashing in the house.