On Sun, 10 Aug 2003 13:06:22 +0100, Paul Burridge
wrote:

On Sun, 10 Aug 2003 10:30:03 +1200, Barry Lennox
wrote:

Still the same universe though!

How would you know?

Damm, so how many universals are there?

On Sun, 10 Aug 2003 10:30:03 +1200, Barry Lennox
wrote:

Still the same universe though!

How would you know?
--

"I believe history will be kind to me, since I intend
to write it." - Winston Churchill

On Fri, 08 Aug 2003 10:05:43 +0100, Paul Burridge
wrote:

On Fri, 08 Aug 2003 03:29:47 GMT, Eric Immel
wrote:

Paul, are you asking if anyone has been killed, then revived?

That's pretty close to what I'm getting at. What I *am* actually get
at is that theoretical physicists are coming around to the rather
extraordinary view that one cannot from one's own perspective be
killed by any sudden and dramatic life event. No matter how bad the
shock, you will always 'come around' to find that you've survived. The
tricky bit is that you'll probably have found yourself in a different
reality to the one you left. In the one you've left, observers will
see your cold, dead, smoking body lying sparko on the ground. Your
relatives will grieve, your obituary will be written. But *you* won't
know anything of that. You'll just believe you've had a lucky escape;
you'll go home and tell your friends and family all about it and years
later maybe you'll tell others via the Internet. Sounds nuts?
Incredible as it may seem, the majority of physicists currently

Well that is funky!

Got electrocuted pretty well as a teenager. Fiddling about with an
ex-Army ZC1 set I'd converted to mains, managed to take 230vac from
arm to arm for what seemed like several minutes, but was probably a
second. Was sick, shaking, sore and sweaty for a couple of hours,
still had sore muscles for several days. Not at all funny. But the
universe I came back to seemed pretty normal.

Did the NDE thing after drowning in the school pool as a kid though,
can pretty clearly recall looking down on myself, and the teacher
"bringing me back" I suspect she still wanted to hassle me about the
unfinished homework, and drowning was not going to be accepted as an
excuse! Still the same universe though!

Barry Lennox

Paul Burridge wrote:
On Fri, 08 Aug 2003 03:29:47 GMT, Eric Immel
wrote:


Paul, are you asking if anyone has been killed, then revived?


That's pretty close to what I'm getting at. What I *am* actually get
at is that theoretical physicists are coming around to the rather
extraordinary view that one cannot from one's own perspective be
killed by any sudden and dramatic life event. No matter how bad the
shock, you will always 'come around' to find that you've survived. The
tricky bit is that you'll probably have found yourself in a different
reality to the one you left. In the one you've left, observers will
see your cold, dead, smoking body lying sparko on the ground. Your
relatives will grieve, your obituary will be written. But *you* won't
know anything of that. You'll just believe you've had a lucky escape;
you'll go home and tell your friends and family all about it and years
later maybe you'll tell others via the Internet. Sounds nuts?
Incredible as it may seem, the majority of physicists currently
working in this field now believe this to be the case! And we're
talking world-class theoreticians here, not just the kooks who post to
alt.sci.theories.

For further info, try Googling for the following:
Many Worlds theory
Max Tegel
Quantum suicide experiment
Quantum Theory of Imortality
David Deutsche
Schroedinger's Cat
--

"I believe history will be kind to me, since I intend
to write it." - Winston Churchill

Does this mean that I died on the operating table during my
open heart surgery last year, and awoke in a different reality
where I am still living?

On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 20:57:23 -0400, scharkalvin
wrote:

Does this mean that I died on the operating table during my
open heart surgery last year, and awoke in a different reality
where I am still living?

Did the surgeons tell you they'd lost you for a while there? If so,
you might have been revived in that same reality in the usual way, or
else if such efforts failed, you'd then 'come round' in one of the
other remaining universes in which you didn't die, in an example the
so-called 'weak anthropic principle.'
--

"I believe history will be kind to me, since I intend
to write it." - Winston Churchill

Paul Burridge wrote:
On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 20:57:23 -0400, scharkalvin
wrote:


Does this mean that I died on the operating table during my
open heart surgery last year, and awoke in a different reality
where I am still living?


Did the surgeons tell you they'd lost you for a while there? If so,
you might have been revived in that same reality in the usual way, or
else if such efforts failed, you'd then 'come round' in one of the
other remaining universes in which you didn't die, in an example the
so-called 'weak anthropic principle.'
--

"I believe history will be kind to me, since I intend
to write it." - Winston Churchill

My surgery was actually 'text book', but my recovery was a little
rocky. My lungs filled with fluid and I was moved back into
intensive care a day after being put in a normal recovery room after
the surgery. I was on 100% O2 for a day or so, after they inserted a
needle in my back and drained the fluid (about a liter or two) I was
much better. I was seeing things because of the drugs I was on though.
When ever I closed my eyes I felt like I was floating in a crypt and I saw
gargoyles on the walls with red eyes. They gave me something to help
me relax and then the vision changed....I was now floating in a toy work
shop (north pole?) surrounded by dolls and wooden toys and model trains.
The visions disappeared when I was taken off the O2.

Paul Burridge wrote:
On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 20:57:23 -0400, scharkalvin
wrote:


Does this mean that I died on the operating table during my
open heart surgery last year, and awoke in a different reality
where I am still living?


Did the surgeons tell you they'd lost you for a while there? If so,
you might have been revived in that same reality in the usual way, or
else if such efforts failed, you'd then 'come round' in one of the
other remaining universes in which you didn't die, in an example the
so-called 'weak anthropic principle.'
--

"I believe history will be kind to me, since I intend
to write it." - Winston Churchill

My surgery was actually 'text book', but my recovery was a little
rocky. My lungs filled with fluid and I was moved back into
intensive care a day after being put in a normal recovery room after
the surgery. I was on 100% O2 for a day or so, after they inserted a
needle in my back and drained the fluid (about a liter or two) I was
much better. I was seeing things because of the drugs I was on though.
When ever I closed my eyes I felt like I was floating in a crypt and I saw
gargoyles on the walls with red eyes. They gave me something to help
me relax and then the vision changed....I was now floating in a toy work
shop (north pole?) surrounded by dolls and wooden toys and model trains.
The visions disappeared when I was taken off the O2.

On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 20:57:23 -0400, scharkalvin
wrote:

Does this mean that I died on the operating table during my
open heart surgery last year, and awoke in a different reality
where I am still living?

Did the surgeons tell you they'd lost you for a while there? If so,
you might have been revived in that same reality in the usual way, or
else if such efforts failed, you'd then 'come round' in one of the
other remaining universes in which you didn't die, in an example the
so-called 'weak anthropic principle.'
--

"I believe history will be kind to me, since I intend
to write it." - Winston Churchill

Paul Burridge wrote:
On Fri, 08 Aug 2003 03:29:47 GMT, Eric Immel
wrote:


Paul, are you asking if anyone has been killed, then revived?


That's pretty close to what I'm getting at. What I *am* actually get
at is that theoretical physicists are coming around to the rather
extraordinary view that one cannot from one's own perspective be
killed by any sudden and dramatic life event. No matter how bad the
shock, you will always 'come around' to find that you've survived. The
tricky bit is that you'll probably have found yourself in a different
reality to the one you left. In the one you've left, observers will
see your cold, dead, smoking body lying sparko on the ground. Your
relatives will grieve, your obituary will be written. But *you* won't
know anything of that. You'll just believe you've had a lucky escape;
you'll go home and tell your friends and family all about it and years
later maybe you'll tell others via the Internet. Sounds nuts?
Incredible as it may seem, the majority of physicists currently
working in this field now believe this to be the case! And we're
talking world-class theoreticians here, not just the kooks who post to
alt.sci.theories.

For further info, try Googling for the following:
Many Worlds theory
Max Tegel
Quantum suicide experiment
Quantum Theory of Imortality
David Deutsche
Schroedinger's Cat
--

"I believe history will be kind to me, since I intend
to write it." - Winston Churchill

Does this mean that I died on the operating table during my
open heart surgery last year, and awoke in a different reality
where I am still living?

On Fri, 08 Aug 2003 03:29:47 GMT, Eric Immel
wrote:

Paul, are you asking if anyone has been killed, then revived?

That's pretty close to what I'm getting at. What I *am* actually get
at is that theoretical physicists are coming around to the rather
extraordinary view that one cannot from one's own perspective be
killed by any sudden and dramatic life event. No matter how bad the
shock, you will always 'come around' to find that you've survived. The
tricky bit is that you'll probably have found yourself in a different
reality to the one you left. In the one you've left, observers will
see your cold, dead, smoking body lying sparko on the ground. Your
relatives will grieve, your obituary will be written. But *you* won't
know anything of that. You'll just believe you've had a lucky escape;
you'll go home and tell your friends and family all about it and years
later maybe you'll tell others via the Internet. Sounds nuts?
Incredible as it may seem, the majority of physicists currently
working in this field now believe this to be the case! And we're
talking world-class theoreticians here, not just the kooks who post to
alt.sci.theories.

For further info, try Googling for the following:
Many Worlds theory
Max Tegel
Quantum suicide experiment
Quantum Theory of Imortality
David Deutsche
Schroedinger's Cat
--

"I believe history will be kind to me, since I intend
to write it." - Winston Churchill