G.Beat wrote:


Contrary to what has been posted, cotton cloth braiding machines still
exist --
even at the big wire manufacturers -- however today they are usually used
for special orders.

Now, Odis W. LeVrier OWNS a cloth braider and makes beautiful replacement
cloth wire for
antique telephones (cloth covered tinsel, cloth covered line cords, desk set
cords) Photos are on
his web page. Please contact Odis directly for your special requests or
orders - he may be able to accommodate!
http://www.houseoftelephones.com/index.htm

I think Charles Days in So. Dartmouth, Mass also makes the wire. (He
collects old textile machinery) He used to be quite regular here but I
haven't seen him posting in quite a while. He was juggling email
addresses towards the end and I recall the most recent to be
. His mailing address is on qrz.com-ham
call WA1JFD.

-Bill

David Forsyth wrote:

As far as I can see, these web sites are offering cloth-covered stranded
wire, such as would be used for hook-ups under chassis and such. I'm
looking for "D.C.C." wire such as was used for winding coils. I guess it
would be considered "magnet wire" ?

Dave
"Magnet wire" is not fabric-insulated. Instead, it has a coating of
varnish, formvar, etc. It will work well for winding coils, but it
won't look like DCC.

Bill Jeffrey

David Forsyth wrote:

As far as I can see, these web sites are offering cloth-covered stranded
wire, such as would be used for hook-ups under chassis and such. I'm
looking for "D.C.C." wire such as was used for winding coils. I guess it
would be considered "magnet wire" ?

Dave
"Magnet wire" is not fabric-insulated. Instead, it has a coating of
varnish, formvar, etc. It will work well for winding coils, but it
won't look like DCC.

Bill Jeffrey

To the best of my knowledge, the last "high-volume" use of DCC wire was
making cables for pipe organs. The pipe organ guys used it because you could
treat it as pushback wire, and that saved time due to the many thousands of
connections and conductors a typical pipe organ contains. The last
manufacturer was, I believe, the Philadelphia Insulated Wire Company.

This stuff was getting very hard to find around 1980, I have no real reason
to suspect that it is made at all any more. But, I am sure that there is a
lot of it laying around. I just don't have any!

"David Forsyth" wrote in message
...
Double Cotton-Covered ("D.C.C.") Do they still make this stuff? I would
like to obtain some for winding RF coils for homebrew radio receivers.
Anybody know of a supplier or maybe have some on hand?


thanks,

Dave

To the best of my knowledge, the last "high-volume" use of DCC wire was
making cables for pipe organs. The pipe organ guys used it because you could
treat it as pushback wire, and that saved time due to the many thousands of
connections and conductors a typical pipe organ contains. The last
manufacturer was, I believe, the Philadelphia Insulated Wire Company.

This stuff was getting very hard to find around 1980, I have no real reason
to suspect that it is made at all any more. But, I am sure that there is a
lot of it laying around. I just don't have any!

"David Forsyth" wrote in message
...
Double Cotton-Covered ("D.C.C.") Do they still make this stuff? I would
like to obtain some for winding RF coils for homebrew radio receivers.
Anybody know of a supplier or maybe have some on hand?


thanks,

Dave

On Sat, 01 Nov 2003 02:11:24 GMT, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:

The last cotton covered wire I used was around 1970. I bought a large
spool surplus to make a bunch of heavy duty degaussing coils for early
color TV sets. 300 turns of 17 AWG DCC, double enameled wire that was
surplused by Picker X-ray, and sold to Mendelson's, in Dayton Ohio. They
had hundreds of partial spools, and I think they still had some in 1987,
(The last time I was at their store in Dayton, Ohio) It was still listed
in the last belden and Alpha catalogs I received, but I would have to
dig them out to get the dates.
--

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida


Just curious. I got some spools from a friend, but don't really know
when it is an advantage to use the cotton covered wire instead of the
normal enamelled copper wire. Used it for some VLF purposes to make
lower self capacitance of coils, but appying single strand wire was
just to use what was available instead of multistranded wire

73
Jan-Martin, LA8AK
http://home.online.no/~la8ak/c.htm
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On Sat, 01 Nov 2003 02:11:24 GMT, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:

The last cotton covered wire I used was around 1970. I bought a large
spool surplus to make a bunch of heavy duty degaussing coils for early
color TV sets. 300 turns of 17 AWG DCC, double enameled wire that was
surplused by Picker X-ray, and sold to Mendelson's, in Dayton Ohio. They
had hundreds of partial spools, and I think they still had some in 1987,
(The last time I was at their store in Dayton, Ohio) It was still listed
in the last belden and Alpha catalogs I received, but I would have to
dig them out to get the dates.
--

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida


Just curious. I got some spools from a friend, but don't really know
when it is an advantage to use the cotton covered wire instead of the
normal enamelled copper wire. Used it for some VLF purposes to make
lower self capacitance of coils, but appying single strand wire was
just to use what was available instead of multistranded wire

73
Jan-Martin, LA8AK
http://home.online.no/~la8ak/c.htm
--
remove ,xnd to reply (Spam precaution!)

On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 18:09:16 GMT "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:

David Forsyth wrote:

Double Cotton-Covered ("D.C.C.") Do they still make this stuff? I would
like to obtain some for winding RF coils for homebrew radio receivers.
Anybody know of a supplier or maybe have some on hand?

Both belden and Alpha made it

How sure are you of this? I don't recall seeing it in the Belden
catalog, and when I built a Tesla coil in the 50s a Belden engineer
helped me (Belden is still located in the town where I grew up, a
GREAT field trip, BTW.) The instructions we were following called for
DCC magnet wire, but we couldn't buy any even then. The Belden
engineer even inquired to see if their prototype shop could whip up a
batch just for us, but they didn't have any way to do it by then.

I suspect that it's been 50 years since anyone in the US has made SCC,
DCC, SSC, or DSC wire.

Everyone remember those?

-
-----------------------------------------------
Jim Adney
Madison, WI 53711 USA
-----------------------------------------------

On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 18:09:16 GMT "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:

David Forsyth wrote:

Double Cotton-Covered ("D.C.C.") Do they still make this stuff? I would
like to obtain some for winding RF coils for homebrew radio receivers.
Anybody know of a supplier or maybe have some on hand?

Both belden and Alpha made it

How sure are you of this? I don't recall seeing it in the Belden
catalog, and when I built a Tesla coil in the 50s a Belden engineer
helped me (Belden is still located in the town where I grew up, a
GREAT field trip, BTW.) The instructions we were following called for
DCC magnet wire, but we couldn't buy any even then. The Belden
engineer even inquired to see if their prototype shop could whip up a
batch just for us, but they didn't have any way to do it by then.

I suspect that it's been 50 years since anyone in the US has made SCC,
DCC, SSC, or DSC wire.

Everyone remember those?

-
-----------------------------------------------
Jim Adney
Madison, WI 53711 USA
-----------------------------------------------

As I mentioned in another post, I was using good quantities of it (on a
"serious hobby" basis), in 22 - 26 awg until the late 1970's. Curiously,
until that time you could also buy DCC cable, 20 - 26 awg, conductors were
bundled in groups of 11 and the whole assembly was enclosed in PVC and
impregnated with paraffin; this cable again being a specialty item for the
pipe organ market.

I also remember silk covered wire, somewhere around here I have a small roll
of #40 silk covered. I always loved those cute little wooden rolls that old
magnet wire came on, kind of like a giant roll of thread. I am trying to
remember some of the manufacturers, maybe I'll look around and see if I
still have an old spool laying around with a label on it.

"Jim Adney" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 18:09:16 GMT "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:

David Forsyth wrote:

Double Cotton-Covered ("D.C.C.") Do they still make this stuff? I
would
like to obtain some for winding RF coils for homebrew radio receivers.
Anybody know of a supplier or maybe have some on hand?

Both belden and Alpha made it

How sure are you of this? I don't recall seeing it in the Belden
catalog, and when I built a Tesla coil in the 50s a Belden engineer
helped me (Belden is still located in the town where I grew up, a
GREAT field trip, BTW.) The instructions we were following called for
DCC magnet wire, but we couldn't buy any even then. The Belden
engineer even inquired to see if their prototype shop could whip up a
batch just for us, but they didn't have any way to do it by then.

I suspect that it's been 50 years since anyone in the US has made SCC,
DCC, SSC, or DSC wire.

Everyone remember those?

-
-----------------------------------------------
Jim Adney
Madison, WI 53711 USA
-----------------------------------------------