Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
  #1   Report Post  
Old February 5th 04, 12:21 AM
Henry Kolesnik
 
Posts: n/a
Default Cardmatic update & ?

I've got one of my Hickok LS 15874 L2 Cardmatics going. I cleaned, lubed
and realigned the switch matrix as well as other switches and also found a
cold solder joint from a previous repair. About 100 of the switch matrix
pins had what looked like old paper capacitor wax on them, very sticky! I
took all the pins out, cleaned each one and the sockets. (An ultrasonic
cleaner would have been nice.) It took several attempts to get the
clearance correct, since the jam nut moved but I finally figured out a
system. Now it appears to test tubes just fine but it still has one problem
that escapes me and wonder if anyone would have any ideas. It responds per
the manual to all test cards except card 9, Gm, Low Ib. About half the time
card 9 will kick power off and I'm guessing it's because the meter kicks
backwards below zero when button 2 is pressed When it doesn't I can adjust
Low Ib per the manual and seems to work fine. However sometimes the meter
needle doesn't go below zero enough to kick the power out but when this
happens the Ib control has no effect! Any ides or tips appreciated.

73
hank wd5jfr


  #2   Report Post  
Old February 5th 04, 12:28 PM
Chris Haedt
 
Posts: n/a
Default

"Henry Kolesnik" wrote in message ...
I've got one of my Hickok LS 15874 L2 Cardmatics going. I cleaned, lubed
and realigned the switch matrix as well as other switches and also found a
cold solder joint from a previous repair. About 100 of the switch matrix
pins had what looked like old paper capacitor wax on them, very sticky! I
took all the pins out, cleaned each one and the sockets. (An ultrasonic
cleaner would have been nice.) It took several attempts to get the
clearance correct, since the jam nut moved but I finally figured out a
system. Now it appears to test tubes just fine but it still has one problem
that escapes me and wonder if anyone would have any ideas. It responds per
the manual to all test cards except card 9, Gm, Low Ib. About half the time
card 9 will kick power off and I'm guessing it's because the meter kicks
backwards below zero when button 2 is pressed When it doesn't I can adjust
Low Ib per the manual and seems to work fine. However sometimes the meter
needle doesn't go below zero enough to kick the power out but when this
happens the Ib control has no effect! Any ides or tips appreciated.

73
hank wd5jfr


I told you if you moved those jam nuts at the bottom of the reader
you'd have fun! Have you replaced ALL of the electrolytic caps? Caps
could be the cause of what you are seeing. Plus--seems like there is
also an adjustment for the sensitivity of the circuit breaker in the
machine. There are something like 50+ cards to calibrate the
machine--went through all of those?

Chris
  #3   Report Post  
Old February 5th 04, 12:28 PM
Chris Haedt
 
Posts: n/a
Default

"Henry Kolesnik" wrote in message ...
I've got one of my Hickok LS 15874 L2 Cardmatics going. I cleaned, lubed
and realigned the switch matrix as well as other switches and also found a
cold solder joint from a previous repair. About 100 of the switch matrix
pins had what looked like old paper capacitor wax on them, very sticky! I
took all the pins out, cleaned each one and the sockets. (An ultrasonic
cleaner would have been nice.) It took several attempts to get the
clearance correct, since the jam nut moved but I finally figured out a
system. Now it appears to test tubes just fine but it still has one problem
that escapes me and wonder if anyone would have any ideas. It responds per
the manual to all test cards except card 9, Gm, Low Ib. About half the time
card 9 will kick power off and I'm guessing it's because the meter kicks
backwards below zero when button 2 is pressed When it doesn't I can adjust
Low Ib per the manual and seems to work fine. However sometimes the meter
needle doesn't go below zero enough to kick the power out but when this
happens the Ib control has no effect! Any ides or tips appreciated.

73
hank wd5jfr


I told you if you moved those jam nuts at the bottom of the reader
you'd have fun! Have you replaced ALL of the electrolytic caps? Caps
could be the cause of what you are seeing. Plus--seems like there is
also an adjustment for the sensitivity of the circuit breaker in the
machine. There are something like 50+ cards to calibrate the
machine--went through all of those?

Chris
  #4   Report Post  
Old February 5th 04, 04:26 PM
Henry Kolesnik
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Chris
I am guilty of not heeding your advice on the jam nut but it was not
intentional mistake, it was the result of several attempts to get the parts
back together. But a dope slap imigh tbe in order. I'm very impressed with
engineering, design, and manufacture of the switch. Except for alignment, I
don't see any need for improvements. I'd guess the facctory had a jig for
aligment. I used a 13/64" allen wrench as a "feeler guage" after I
determined what clearance was necessary to make sure all pins were out and
how much they needed to go down so the female contacts would snap in the
grooves of the pins. It took hours but the next time it will be quicker!
As far as the 54 test cards, I can't get proper readings on 1 thru 5 as
my Cal. Cell is dead, or Card 9 but the rest are in spec! For the
calibration cell Alan Douglas's book shows a 4.7 volt Zener while the
USM-118 website has a 5.1 volt Zener and I'm trying to find out if the
difference is important.. I think I may attempt to recharge the Cal. Cell
mercury battery with my constant current source and see what happens.
The tube socket voltage and resistance readings pretty much agree with
the data in the manual. All the electrolytics pass on my Dick Smith ESR
meter.. I'm a rifleman not a shotgunner when it come to caps unless there
is evidence that most of the caps are suxpect because of manufacturer or
age. Besides, I like to know what component caused the fault. Next I
think I'll let the unit hot soak for 24 hours and look at it with a scope.
It passes the breaker tests fine so I don't think relay needs
adjustment. Since the Card 9 problem is not always repeatable it's difficult
to pinpoint. What happens on Card 9 is sometimes the meter tries to go
below zero and sometimes it kicks the unit off. I'm still trying to figure
out how this Gm balance bridge circuit works. I've colored a set of
schematics with Card 9 switches activiated and trying to get thru the maze
to see if I can pinpoint the fault.
All that being said the Cardmatic is one hell of a design for a tube
checker! I've got to get it going because I hve hundreds of tubes to check!
Any all tips appreciated.
73
hank wd5jfr

"Chris Haedt" wrote in message
om...
"Henry Kolesnik" wrote in message

...
I've got one of my Hickok LS 15874 L2 Cardmatics going. I cleaned,

lubed
and realigned the switch matrix as well as other switches and also found

a
cold solder joint from a previous repair. About 100 of the switch matrix
pins had what looked like old paper capacitor wax on them, very sticky!

I
took all the pins out, cleaned each one and the sockets. (An ultrasonic
cleaner would have been nice.) It took several attempts to get the
clearance correct, since the jam nut moved but I finally figured out a
system. Now it appears to test tubes just fine but it still has one

problem
that escapes me and wonder if anyone would have any ideas. It responds

per
the manual to all test cards except card 9, Gm, Low Ib. About half the

time
card 9 will kick power off and I'm guessing it's because the meter

kicks
backwards below zero when button 2 is pressed When it doesn't I can

adjust
Low Ib per the manual and seems to work fine. However sometimes the

meter
needle doesn't go below zero enough to kick the power out but when this
happens the Ib control has no effect! Any ides or tips appreciated.

73
hank wd5jfr


I told you if you moved those jam nuts at the bottom of the reader
you'd have fun! Have you replaced ALL of the electrolytic caps? Caps
could be the cause of what you are seeing. Plus--seems like there is
also an adjustment for the sensitivity of the circuit breaker in the
machine. There are something like 50+ cards to calibrate the
machine--went through all of those?

Chris



  #5   Report Post  
Old February 5th 04, 04:26 PM
Henry Kolesnik
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Chris
I am guilty of not heeding your advice on the jam nut but it was not
intentional mistake, it was the result of several attempts to get the parts
back together. But a dope slap imigh tbe in order. I'm very impressed with
engineering, design, and manufacture of the switch. Except for alignment, I
don't see any need for improvements. I'd guess the facctory had a jig for
aligment. I used a 13/64" allen wrench as a "feeler guage" after I
determined what clearance was necessary to make sure all pins were out and
how much they needed to go down so the female contacts would snap in the
grooves of the pins. It took hours but the next time it will be quicker!
As far as the 54 test cards, I can't get proper readings on 1 thru 5 as
my Cal. Cell is dead, or Card 9 but the rest are in spec! For the
calibration cell Alan Douglas's book shows a 4.7 volt Zener while the
USM-118 website has a 5.1 volt Zener and I'm trying to find out if the
difference is important.. I think I may attempt to recharge the Cal. Cell
mercury battery with my constant current source and see what happens.
The tube socket voltage and resistance readings pretty much agree with
the data in the manual. All the electrolytics pass on my Dick Smith ESR
meter.. I'm a rifleman not a shotgunner when it come to caps unless there
is evidence that most of the caps are suxpect because of manufacturer or
age. Besides, I like to know what component caused the fault. Next I
think I'll let the unit hot soak for 24 hours and look at it with a scope.
It passes the breaker tests fine so I don't think relay needs
adjustment. Since the Card 9 problem is not always repeatable it's difficult
to pinpoint. What happens on Card 9 is sometimes the meter tries to go
below zero and sometimes it kicks the unit off. I'm still trying to figure
out how this Gm balance bridge circuit works. I've colored a set of
schematics with Card 9 switches activiated and trying to get thru the maze
to see if I can pinpoint the fault.
All that being said the Cardmatic is one hell of a design for a tube
checker! I've got to get it going because I hve hundreds of tubes to check!
Any all tips appreciated.
73
hank wd5jfr

"Chris Haedt" wrote in message
om...
"Henry Kolesnik" wrote in message

...
I've got one of my Hickok LS 15874 L2 Cardmatics going. I cleaned,

lubed
and realigned the switch matrix as well as other switches and also found

a
cold solder joint from a previous repair. About 100 of the switch matrix
pins had what looked like old paper capacitor wax on them, very sticky!

I
took all the pins out, cleaned each one and the sockets. (An ultrasonic
cleaner would have been nice.) It took several attempts to get the
clearance correct, since the jam nut moved but I finally figured out a
system. Now it appears to test tubes just fine but it still has one

problem
that escapes me and wonder if anyone would have any ideas. It responds

per
the manual to all test cards except card 9, Gm, Low Ib. About half the

time
card 9 will kick power off and I'm guessing it's because the meter

kicks
backwards below zero when button 2 is pressed When it doesn't I can

adjust
Low Ib per the manual and seems to work fine. However sometimes the

meter
needle doesn't go below zero enough to kick the power out but when this
happens the Ib control has no effect! Any ides or tips appreciated.

73
hank wd5jfr


I told you if you moved those jam nuts at the bottom of the reader
you'd have fun! Have you replaced ALL of the electrolytic caps? Caps
could be the cause of what you are seeing. Plus--seems like there is
also an adjustment for the sensitivity of the circuit breaker in the
machine. There are something like 50+ cards to calibrate the
machine--went through all of those?

Chris





  #6   Report Post  
Old February 5th 04, 05:17 PM
Chuck Harris
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Henry Kolesnik wrote:
Chris
I am guilty of not heeding your advice on the jam nut but it was not
intentional mistake, it was the result of several attempts to get the parts
back together. But a dope slap imigh tbe in order. I'm very impressed with
engineering, design, and manufacture of the switch. Except for alignment, I
don't see any need for improvements. I'd guess the facctory had a jig for
aligment. I used a 13/64" allen wrench as a "feeler guage" after I
determined what clearance was necessary to make sure all pins were out and
how much they needed to go down so the female contacts would snap in the
grooves of the pins. It took hours but the next time it will be quicker!
As far as the 54 test cards, I can't get proper readings on 1 thru 5 as
my Cal. Cell is dead, or Card 9 but the rest are in spec! For the
calibration cell Alan Douglas's book shows a 4.7 volt Zener while the
USM-118 website has a 5.1 volt Zener and I'm trying to find out if the
difference is important.. I think I may attempt to recharge the Cal. Cell
mercury battery with my constant current source and see what happens.


Don't! At best, it won't work, at worst, it will explode. The mercury
cell is a one way reaction. It cannot be reversed.

Been there, tried that, blew it up!

-Chuck Harris
  #7   Report Post  
Old February 5th 04, 05:17 PM
Chuck Harris
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Henry Kolesnik wrote:
Chris
I am guilty of not heeding your advice on the jam nut but it was not
intentional mistake, it was the result of several attempts to get the parts
back together. But a dope slap imigh tbe in order. I'm very impressed with
engineering, design, and manufacture of the switch. Except for alignment, I
don't see any need for improvements. I'd guess the facctory had a jig for
aligment. I used a 13/64" allen wrench as a "feeler guage" after I
determined what clearance was necessary to make sure all pins were out and
how much they needed to go down so the female contacts would snap in the
grooves of the pins. It took hours but the next time it will be quicker!
As far as the 54 test cards, I can't get proper readings on 1 thru 5 as
my Cal. Cell is dead, or Card 9 but the rest are in spec! For the
calibration cell Alan Douglas's book shows a 4.7 volt Zener while the
USM-118 website has a 5.1 volt Zener and I'm trying to find out if the
difference is important.. I think I may attempt to recharge the Cal. Cell
mercury battery with my constant current source and see what happens.


Don't! At best, it won't work, at worst, it will explode. The mercury
cell is a one way reaction. It cannot be reversed.

Been there, tried that, blew it up!

-Chuck Harris
  #8   Report Post  
Old February 5th 04, 06:39 PM
Henry Kolesnik
 
Posts: n/a
Default

It's fixed, a new day respite helps. Previously I noticed that the
component board had been removed at some time becasue I could see signs of
resoldered wires on the non-component side. (At that time I found a cold
solder joint on R231.) I thought perhaps a wire had come off or someone
transposed some. Being lazy I got the high intensity light out and thought
I could see if there was a problem without taking the board out, there's
only 4 screws! But before doing that I thought I'd recheck the 10K ohm Gm
bridge resistors, pot and as I was connecting my Fluke to the10K resistor
lead I could see it was wrapped around the post but not soldered, same for
all of them. Eureka and happiness, good light helps. I took a pix and posted
it at alt.binaries.pictures.radio. I soldered 4 ends and now it works like
a champ and checks a known good 12AX7 as good. No more meter slamming
backwards on Card 9 or power kick off and the Lo Gm pot works per spec.
After more careful inspection I could see where others have tried to repair
this one because I could see other signs of soldering and component
replacements, some not so good. Since it was like this from the factory,
it had to have been continually intermittent and became a waster of gravity.
Anyway I'll be it didn't get much use and I think the condition of the
switch matrix with all the waxy stuff was becasue it was sprayed trying to
solve the no solder problem. This one is Serial No. 703 so if you have one
near that you might want to check R 402, 403, 404, and 406 for no solder!
73
hank wd5jfr

"Henry Kolesnik" wrote in message
...
I've got one of my Hickok LS 15874 L2 Cardmatics going. I cleaned, lubed
and realigned the switch matrix as well as other switches and also found a
cold solder joint from a previous repair. About 100 of the switch matrix
pins had what looked like old paper capacitor wax on them, very sticky! I
took all the pins out, cleaned each one and the sockets. (An ultrasonic
cleaner would have been nice.) It took several attempts to get the
clearance correct, since the jam nut moved but I finally figured out a
system. Now it appears to test tubes just fine but it still has one

problem
that escapes me and wonder if anyone would have any ideas. It responds

per
the manual to all test cards except card 9, Gm, Low Ib. About half the

time
card 9 will kick power off and I'm guessing it's because the meter kicks
backwards below zero when button 2 is pressed When it doesn't I can

adjust
Low Ib per the manual and seems to work fine. However sometimes the

meter
needle doesn't go below zero enough to kick the power out but when this
happens the Ib control has no effect! Any ides or tips appreciated.

73
hank wd5jfr




  #9   Report Post  
Old February 5th 04, 06:39 PM
Henry Kolesnik
 
Posts: n/a
Default

It's fixed, a new day respite helps. Previously I noticed that the
component board had been removed at some time becasue I could see signs of
resoldered wires on the non-component side. (At that time I found a cold
solder joint on R231.) I thought perhaps a wire had come off or someone
transposed some. Being lazy I got the high intensity light out and thought
I could see if there was a problem without taking the board out, there's
only 4 screws! But before doing that I thought I'd recheck the 10K ohm Gm
bridge resistors, pot and as I was connecting my Fluke to the10K resistor
lead I could see it was wrapped around the post but not soldered, same for
all of them. Eureka and happiness, good light helps. I took a pix and posted
it at alt.binaries.pictures.radio. I soldered 4 ends and now it works like
a champ and checks a known good 12AX7 as good. No more meter slamming
backwards on Card 9 or power kick off and the Lo Gm pot works per spec.
After more careful inspection I could see where others have tried to repair
this one because I could see other signs of soldering and component
replacements, some not so good. Since it was like this from the factory,
it had to have been continually intermittent and became a waster of gravity.
Anyway I'll be it didn't get much use and I think the condition of the
switch matrix with all the waxy stuff was becasue it was sprayed trying to
solve the no solder problem. This one is Serial No. 703 so if you have one
near that you might want to check R 402, 403, 404, and 406 for no solder!
73
hank wd5jfr

"Henry Kolesnik" wrote in message
...
I've got one of my Hickok LS 15874 L2 Cardmatics going. I cleaned, lubed
and realigned the switch matrix as well as other switches and also found a
cold solder joint from a previous repair. About 100 of the switch matrix
pins had what looked like old paper capacitor wax on them, very sticky! I
took all the pins out, cleaned each one and the sockets. (An ultrasonic
cleaner would have been nice.) It took several attempts to get the
clearance correct, since the jam nut moved but I finally figured out a
system. Now it appears to test tubes just fine but it still has one

problem
that escapes me and wonder if anyone would have any ideas. It responds

per
the manual to all test cards except card 9, Gm, Low Ib. About half the

time
card 9 will kick power off and I'm guessing it's because the meter kicks
backwards below zero when button 2 is pressed When it doesn't I can

adjust
Low Ib per the manual and seems to work fine. However sometimes the

meter
needle doesn't go below zero enough to kick the power out but when this
happens the Ib control has no effect! Any ides or tips appreciated.

73
hank wd5jfr




  #10   Report Post  
Old February 5th 04, 08:01 PM
Jeffrey D Angus
 
Posts: n/a
Default



Henry Kolesnik wrote:

It's fixed, a new day respite helps.


Which just undescores what I've been telling my techs all
along. VERIFY everything before you start flogging the
assembly.

Jeff

--
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin
"A life lived in fear is a life half lived."
Tara Morice as Fran, from the movie "Strictly Ballroom"

Reply
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules

Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Cardmatic update & ? Henry Kolesnik Boatanchors 14 February 8th 04 05:58 AM
ON6DP QSL-Manager Database , Update Jan_2004 Norbert Graf Dx 4 January 11th 04 06:24 PM
ON6DP QSL-Manager Database , Update Jan_2004 Norbert Graf Dx 0 January 8th 04 10:46 AM
ON6DP QSL-Manager Database, November 2003 Update Norbert Graf Dx 0 November 23rd 03 07:29 PM
ON6DP QSL-Manager Database, November 2003 Update Norbert Graf Dx 0 November 23rd 03 07:29 PM


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 05:26 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2004-2025 RadioBanter.
The comments are property of their posters.
 

About Us

"It's about Radio"

 

Copyright © 2017