So you agree that there are problems?

"G.Beat" wrote in message
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"Airy R. Bean" wrote in message
Also, for Britland, AIUI, there are problems for the man-in-the-street
having to organise his own shipping and passage through customs?
Has been handled a number of ways for Brits, Germans and French.

But it doesn't speak for the essence of Ham Radio.

"G.Beat" wrote in message
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5,000 Elecraft K2 kits sold, built and supported -- speaks for itself.

But it doesn't speak for the essence of Ham Radio.

"G.Beat" wrote in message
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5,000 Elecraft K2 kits sold, built and supported -- speaks for itself.

Airy R. Bean dribbled:
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Now what has he been reading?

Or should I say been read to him!



The level of care in the community has definitely dropped.

Airy R. Bean dribbled:
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Now what has he been reading?

Or should I say been read to him!



The level of care in the community has definitely dropped.

"Airy R. Bean" wrote in
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I wonder if we as a NG might put together a design
for an HF rig that could be built with ease by novices
and experienced constructors alike?

I'll go for that - willing to offer some webspace too.

See Gareth - I'm not all that bad.

I suggest that none of the CB-style gadgets of today's
CB-style rigs are necessary and that a reproducible design
having only the facilities of, say, the KW2000, would
provide the basis of any station.

Fine radio the KW2000. Work great. One of my club guys has
nothing more recent in his shack for HF use.

Keeping it simple will increase the chance of success.

Yup. Make it a similar project to the K1 and K2 Elecraft -
i.e. you can make it work in stages and use itself as a piece
of test gear too.

ooo 100mW output allowing the choice of PA
for CBers-Masquerading-As-Radio-Hams or
running barefoot QRP for _REAL_ Radio Hams.

Steady. You could lose my interest quickly.

Any of the established CB types in this NG are welcome to
join this discussion, I only ask that your contributions be
meaningful and not the inane sneering 'n; jeering for which
you are famous.

Sure - make it good and you never know what could come of
this. Do feel free to email me Gareth - I won't bite - have
about 50Gb of webspace doing nothing.

Leigh....

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"Airy R. Bean" wrote in
:

I wonder if we as a NG might put together a design
for an HF rig that could be built with ease by novices
and experienced constructors alike?

I'll go for that - willing to offer some webspace too.

See Gareth - I'm not all that bad.

I suggest that none of the CB-style gadgets of today's
CB-style rigs are necessary and that a reproducible design
having only the facilities of, say, the KW2000, would
provide the basis of any station.

Fine radio the KW2000. Work great. One of my club guys has
nothing more recent in his shack for HF use.

Keeping it simple will increase the chance of success.

Yup. Make it a similar project to the K1 and K2 Elecraft -
i.e. you can make it work in stages and use itself as a piece
of test gear too.

ooo 100mW output allowing the choice of PA
for CBers-Masquerading-As-Radio-Hams or
running barefoot QRP for _REAL_ Radio Hams.

Steady. You could lose my interest quickly.

Any of the established CB types in this NG are welcome to
join this discussion, I only ask that your contributions be
meaningful and not the inane sneering 'n; jeering for which
you are famous.

Sure - make it good and you never know what could come of
this. Do feel free to email me Gareth - I won't bite - have
about 50Gb of webspace doing nothing.

Leigh....

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"Airy R. Bean" wrote in
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How is the number of postings to a mail reflector an
indication of component density?

I feel this was a demonstration of the popularity and supporters
of Elecraft - not so to do with component density.



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"Airy R. Bean" wrote in
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How is the number of postings to a mail reflector an
indication of component density?

I feel this was a demonstration of the popularity and supporters
of Elecraft - not so to do with component density.



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Airy R. Bean wrote:

I have no experience of the Elecraft kits, but I suspect
that the packing density of components on their PCB's
would mediate against future maintenance and fault-finding?


No, I don't think so. Have built a K2 #4030 about 8 weeks ago
with SSB balanced modulator and DSP options. It uses no SMDs
(except one case described below) and you can get at most things
for both DC measurements or for attaching a scope probe to.
On the DSP, there is a piggy-back board pre-manufactured with
the DSP chip as an SMD. Elecraft publish a DC voltage table
to assist in trouble shooting. The email reflector had plenty
of knowldeable Elecraft owners to assist or make suggesstions
and the Elecraft post-sales support is also good.

Also built a KX1 for a white stick op ham friend. If anything,
the component density on that and the add-on boards is higher
than the K2. It uses a couple of SMDs, the main one for the DDS.
But apart from that, most things are accessible. The KX1
was an ideal rig for my friend to take on holiday since it's
small and supports eyes-free operation with CW feedback.

73, David, M0DHO