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![]() Gordin wrote: Hello I know that this may be a dumb question but I have found conflicting info about this on a few web pages. If one takes say 5 capacitors each with a value of 500wv @ 150uf and connects them in series the result wold be 2500v @ 30uf. Correct? Now if one takes another string just like the one above, and connects both strings across the output of the rectifier parallel to each other does this still give the 2500v but @ 60uf? or does the voltage drop? Thanks Others have correctly answered your question. I'll add something: one should always derate the voltage that a capacitor "sees" in a circuit from the cap's rating. Using a 500 volt cap at 500 volts is asking for trouble. (Or using 5 of them in series at 2500 volts.) If your circuit runs at 2500 volts, add at least one cap to the string. And do not forget the bleeder/equalizing resistors. You'll need 2 resistors in series per cap. I'd use 2 51K 2 watt resistors in series across each cap, to give a very good safety margin on the resistors' power dissipation and voltage exposure. Others might recommend a single 100K 2 watt resistor across each cap. But that way, each resistor "sees" about 416 volts, and dissipates a little over 1.7 watts. With two in series, each resistor "sees" about half the voltage - and the power dissipation capability is doubled. Gordon |
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![]() Bill Turner wrote: On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 05:25:02 GMT, wrote: I'd use 2 51K 2 watt resistors in series across each cap, to give a very good safety margin on the resistors' power dissipation and voltage exposure. __________________________________________________ _______ Also, avoid carbon composition resistors. They are notorious for gradually changing their resistance over time. Metal oxide film (MOF) types are much more stable over the long run. Richard, AG6K, sells them pretty reasonable. See http://www.somis.org/ Richard's resistors are 100K and are rated at three watts. With 416 volts applied per your example, they dissipate 1.7 watts, which should be a sufficient safety factor. The truly paranoid may connect four of them in a series-parallel arrangement across each capacitor. -- Bill, W6WRT QSLs via LoTW Thanks! Those are good resistors - I didn't know about the site. My paranoia extends to the caps, too. I would use 7, myself, yielding a total of 3500 volts or about 360 across each cap and resistor. That would also reduce the power the resistors would dissipate to about 1.3 watts, but the reduction in cap voltage is more important. The last one I built (for 1800V) used 6 450 volt caps and 12 51K 2w resistors. Wish I had known about that site when I built it - I would have used those resistors. |
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![]() Bill Turner wrote: On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 05:25:02 GMT, wrote: I'd use 2 51K 2 watt resistors in series across each cap, to give a very good safety margin on the resistors' power dissipation and voltage exposure. __________________________________________________ _______ Also, avoid carbon composition resistors. They are notorious for gradually changing their resistance over time. Metal oxide film (MOF) types are much more stable over the long run. Richard, AG6K, sells them pretty reasonable. See http://www.somis.org/ Richard's resistors are 100K and are rated at three watts. With 416 volts applied per your example, they dissipate 1.7 watts, which should be a sufficient safety factor. The truly paranoid may connect four of them in a series-parallel arrangement across each capacitor. -- Bill, W6WRT QSLs via LoTW Thanks! Those are good resistors - I didn't know about the site. My paranoia extends to the caps, too. I would use 7, myself, yielding a total of 3500 volts or about 360 across each cap and resistor. That would also reduce the power the resistors would dissipate to about 1.3 watts, but the reduction in cap voltage is more important. The last one I built (for 1800V) used 6 450 volt caps and 12 51K 2w resistors. Wish I had known about that site when I built it - I would have used those resistors. |
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Bill Turner wrote:
On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 05:25:02 GMT, wrote: I'd use 2 51K 2 watt resistors in series across each cap, to give a very good safety margin on the resistors' power dissipation and voltage exposure. __________________________________________________ _______ Also, avoid carbon composition resistors. They are notorious for gradually changing their resistance over time. Metal oxide film (MOF) types are much more stable over the long run. Richard, AG6K, sells them pretty reasonable. See http://www.somis.org/ The time proven method uses wire wound power resistors, with somewhat lower values (higher wattage). For 450 volt caps resistors in the 50k range are common, this will require 5 watt resistors (use 10w to be safe). The higher bleed current serves two purposes, it discharges the capacitors when the power is shut off more quickly, and reduces the peak voltage reached protecting the capacitors. High voltage capacitor strings using higher value resistors can hold a charge for several minutes, a hazard for the careless! Richard's resistors are 100K and are rated at three watts. With 416 volts applied per your example, they dissipate 1.7 watts, which should be a sufficient safety factor. The truly paranoid may connect four of them in a series-parallel arrangement across each capacitor. -- Bill, W6WRT QSLs via LoTW |
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Bill Turner wrote:
On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 05:25:02 GMT, wrote: I'd use 2 51K 2 watt resistors in series across each cap, to give a very good safety margin on the resistors' power dissipation and voltage exposure. __________________________________________________ _______ Also, avoid carbon composition resistors. They are notorious for gradually changing their resistance over time. Metal oxide film (MOF) types are much more stable over the long run. Richard, AG6K, sells them pretty reasonable. See http://www.somis.org/ The time proven method uses wire wound power resistors, with somewhat lower values (higher wattage). For 450 volt caps resistors in the 50k range are common, this will require 5 watt resistors (use 10w to be safe). The higher bleed current serves two purposes, it discharges the capacitors when the power is shut off more quickly, and reduces the peak voltage reached protecting the capacitors. High voltage capacitor strings using higher value resistors can hold a charge for several minutes, a hazard for the careless! Richard's resistors are 100K and are rated at three watts. With 416 volts applied per your example, they dissipate 1.7 watts, which should be a sufficient safety factor. The truly paranoid may connect four of them in a series-parallel arrangement across each capacitor. -- Bill, W6WRT QSLs via LoTW |
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