Roger Gt wrote:
The Indians would war on their Neighbors for anything they wanted.
Kill anyone who resisted and sell prisoners into slavery.

Thanks, I wondered where the USA learnt to do that.
Made a fine art of it now, haven't they?

Anthony Matonak wrote:

Fred B. McGalliard wrote:

"Anthony Matonak" wrote in message

I think the main point is that solar PV is a technology that
does not require massive infrastructure. It's something that
can be done on an individual and distributed basis. The big
power companies really don't have that much advantage over
individuals.


Sorry Anthony, but I think this is quite wrong. Solar PV requires a very
large infrastructure to build, and a substantial infrastructure to
maintain.


I don't know about that. Solar PV can be used in any size from digital
watches to powering hotels. [snip]

The point is not whether or not they can be used, but whether or not
they can be used economically and profitably.

Anthony Matonak wrote:

Fred B. McGalliard wrote:

"Anthony Matonak" wrote in message

I think the main point is that solar PV is a technology that
does not require massive infrastructure. It's something that
can be done on an individual and distributed basis. The big
power companies really don't have that much advantage over
individuals.


Sorry Anthony, but I think this is quite wrong. Solar PV requires a very
large infrastructure to build, and a substantial infrastructure to
maintain.


I don't know about that. Solar PV can be used in any size from digital
watches to powering hotels. [snip]

The point is not whether or not they can be used, but whether or not
they can be used economically and profitably.

Watson A.Name \"Watt Sun - the Dark Remover\" wrote:
Anthony Matonak wrote:

Fred B. McGalliard wrote:
Sorry Anthony, but I think this is quite wrong. Solar PV requires a very
large infrastructure to build, and a substantial infrastructure to
maintain.

I don't know about that. Solar PV can be used in any size from digital
watches to powering hotels. [snip]

The point is not whether or not they can be used, but whether or not
they can be used economically and profitably.

Oh, if that was the point then it's already been decided. Right now,
solar PV is not economical or profitable except in niche applications
not connected to the grid. Tomorrow... who knows? It does seem to be
getting cheaper all the time.

This, of course, has nothing to do with the question of "Is the
profitable use of solar PV limited to big mega-corporations?"

If we go back a couple of articles in this thread...

KR Williams wrote:
In article , box
says...
KR Williams wrote:

My guess though, is that solar cells for the individual will
never become cheaper than power from the grid, since the power
company has access to the same technology and a *lot* better
financing possibilities. ...and they don't have to have the pay-
back in my lifetime.

They have access to the tech, BUT, they also have to maintain the
distribution system. ...
All this is avoided cost on home solar.

There is still a huge advantage of scale.

Some technologies simply can not be affordably implemented on a small
homeowner scale and for them to be used you need a big company or co-op.
Solar PV is not in that category. The example of a solar powered radio
shows this. It does not require huge resources to build, buy or
maintain. The basic idea is that when it comes to solar PV installations
there really isn't much advantage of scale. A huge installation will
cost only slightly less per watt as a smaller one.

Anthony

Watson A.Name \"Watt Sun - the Dark Remover\" wrote:
Anthony Matonak wrote:

Fred B. McGalliard wrote:
Sorry Anthony, but I think this is quite wrong. Solar PV requires a very
large infrastructure to build, and a substantial infrastructure to
maintain.

I don't know about that. Solar PV can be used in any size from digital
watches to powering hotels. [snip]

The point is not whether or not they can be used, but whether or not
they can be used economically and profitably.

Oh, if that was the point then it's already been decided. Right now,
solar PV is not economical or profitable except in niche applications
not connected to the grid. Tomorrow... who knows? It does seem to be
getting cheaper all the time.

This, of course, has nothing to do with the question of "Is the
profitable use of solar PV limited to big mega-corporations?"

If we go back a couple of articles in this thread...

KR Williams wrote:
In article , box
says...
KR Williams wrote:

My guess though, is that solar cells for the individual will
never become cheaper than power from the grid, since the power
company has access to the same technology and a *lot* better
financing possibilities. ...and they don't have to have the pay-
back in my lifetime.

They have access to the tech, BUT, they also have to maintain the
distribution system. ...
All this is avoided cost on home solar.

There is still a huge advantage of scale.

Some technologies simply can not be affordably implemented on a small
homeowner scale and for them to be used you need a big company or co-op.
Solar PV is not in that category. The example of a solar powered radio
shows this. It does not require huge resources to build, buy or
maintain. The basic idea is that when it comes to solar PV installations
there really isn't much advantage of scale. A huge installation will
cost only slightly less per watt as a smaller one.

Anthony

"Clifford Heath" wrote in message
...
Roger Gt wrote:
The Indians would war on their Neighbors for anything they wanted.
Kill anyone who resisted and sell prisoners into slavery.

Thanks, I wondered where the USA learnt to do that.
Made a fine art of it now, haven't they?

I wish. If they are making a profit in war, why is our debt load increasing
so fast?

"Clifford Heath" wrote in message
...
Roger Gt wrote:
The Indians would war on their Neighbors for anything they wanted.
Kill anyone who resisted and sell prisoners into slavery.

Thanks, I wondered where the USA learnt to do that.
Made a fine art of it now, haven't they?

I wish. If they are making a profit in war, why is our debt load increasing
so fast?

In article ,
says...

"Clifford Heath" wrote in message
...
Roger Gt wrote:
The Indians would war on their Neighbors for anything they wanted.
Kill anyone who resisted and sell prisoners into slavery.

Thanks, I wondered where the USA learnt to do that.
Made a fine art of it now, haven't they?

I wish. If they are making a profit in war, why is our debt load increasing
so fast?



No, my favorite one was the "Blood for Oil" screamers.
Since we aren't getting the oil and our prices are now on the rise the
same group is now claiming that it was all a plot to raise oil prices so
"they" could reap huge profits. See how no matter what happens there is
still something to bitch about and it is always "their" fault. Sort of
like the Y2K hysteria.

Jim

In article ,
says...

"Clifford Heath" wrote in message
...
Roger Gt wrote:
The Indians would war on their Neighbors for anything they wanted.
Kill anyone who resisted and sell prisoners into slavery.

Thanks, I wondered where the USA learnt to do that.
Made a fine art of it now, haven't they?

I wish. If they are making a profit in war, why is our debt load increasing
so fast?



No, my favorite one was the "Blood for Oil" screamers.
Since we aren't getting the oil and our prices are now on the rise the
same group is now claiming that it was all a plot to raise oil prices so
"they" could reap huge profits. See how no matter what happens there is
still something to bitch about and it is always "their" fault. Sort of
like the Y2K hysteria.

Jim

On a sunny day (Tue, 20 Apr 2004 17:11:38 -0700) it happened Anthony Matonak
wrote in :

Watson A.Name \"Watt Sun - the Dark Remover\" wrote:
Anthony Matonak wrote:

Fred B. McGalliard wrote:
Sorry Anthony, but I think this is quite wrong. Solar PV requires a very
large infrastructure to build, and a substantial infrastructure to
maintain.

I don't know about that. Solar PV can be used in any size from digital
watches to powering hotels. [snip]

The point is not whether or not they can be used, but whether or not
they can be used economically and profitably.

Oh, if that was the point then it's already been decided. Right now,
solar PV is not economical or profitable except in niche applications
not connected to the grid. Tomorrow... who knows? It does seem to be
getting cheaper all the time.

This, of course, has nothing to do with the question of "Is the
profitable use of solar PV limited to big mega-corporations?"
I like it that the Dutch solar car went cross Australia in 3 days or so
with an average of over 100 km/h last year.
Now here is a very sensible application in a suitable 'solar' climate.
Those photocells were the same as used by the European Space Agency.
I would love to have a few square meters of those to play with.
JP