"Roger Hayter" wrote in message
...
gareth wrote:

"Roger Hayter" wrote in message
...
I am gratified to hear it. There are some of us who might think that
without at least some electronic design or construction effort amateur
radio was remarkably like philately.

It has the stamp of CB?

Radio operating is a perfectly respectable hobby and has its own high
skills and practical knowledge base. I see no reason to criticise it or
its practitioners. It is just not overwhelmingly interesting to me. I
do not claim my interests to be the One True AR though. And I can't
see a great deal wrong with CB for that matter, it is just a very narrow
subset of operating.

My FAQ below should help you to understand the essential difference
between the merely operator (CBer) and the _REAL_ Radio Amateur ...

-----ooooo-----



Q. What is Ham Radio?

A. Ham Radio is a technical pursuit for those who
are interested in the science of radio wave
propagation and who are also interested in the
way that their radios function. It has a long-standing
tradition of providing a source of engineers who
are born naturals.

Ham Radio awakens in its aficionados a whole-life
fascination with all things technical and gives
an all-abiding curiosity to improve one's scientific
knowledge. It's a great swimming pool, please dive in!

This excitement causes a wish to share the experience
with ones fellow man, and shows itself in the
gentlemanly traditions of Ham Radio.

Radio Hams are in a unique privileged position in that
they can construct and operate their own equipment! No-one
else has this privilege. Users, such as broadcasters,
the po lice and armed farces, CBers and mobile phone
users have to purchase ready-made gear. Manufacturers
are not licensed to operate their gear. Radio Hams
are qualified to design, build and then
operate their own pieces of equipment. They do this
with gusto, and also repair and modify their own
equipment. This is a privilege well worth the effort
to gain, and one to be jealously guarded.

The excitement that drives a Radio Ham starts with
relatively simple technologies at first, perhaps making
his own Wimshurst machine and primary cells. Small pieces
of test equipment follow, possibly multimeters and signal
generators. Then comes receivers and transmitters. It is with
the latter that communication with like-minded technically
motivated people takes off. The scope for technical
development grows with the years and now encompasses DSP
and DDS. There is also a great deal
of excitement in the areas of computer programming to
be learnt and applied.

The technical excitement motivates Radio Hams to compete
with each other to determine who has designed and manufactured
the best-quality station. This competitiveness is found in DXing,
competitions and fox-hunts.

-----ooooo----

However, beware! A Ham Radio licence is such a
desirable thing to have that there are large
numbers of people who wish to be thought of
as Radio Hams when, in fact, they are nothing
of the kind! Usually such people are a
variation of the CB Radio hobbyist; they buy their
radios off the shelf and send them back to be
repaired; they are not interested in technical discussion
and sneer at those who are; they have no idea how
their radios work inside and have no wish to find out;
they are free with rather silly personal insults.


-----ooooo-----

One infallible way to disambiguate the CB Radio Hobbyist
from the _REAL_ Radio Ham is to solicit their view of the
difference between CB Radio and Ham Radio. A Radio Ham will
perceive Ham Radio to be a technical pursuit and will
perceive CB Radio to be a social communications facility
no different in essence to a land-line telephone or a
GSM mobile in the hands of a 6-year-old. Thus a Radio Ham
could also use a CB set safe in the knowledge that
such use says no more about him than having a land-line
telephone, whilst continuing to regard Ham Radio as a separate
technical pursuit.

A CB Radio hobbyist, on the other hand, sees no difference between
Ham Radio and CB Radio. To him, they are
sisters-under-the-skin. Wrongly, the CB Radio Hobbyist then
tries to classify himself as the equal of the Radio
Ham when, in fact, he is nothing of the kind.

Ham Radio is not CB Radio and has no common ground with it!
Ham Radio is _THE_ technical pursuit for gentlemen; CB Radio
is the name for the operating hobby for those who buy their
rigs and equipment off the shelf.

-----ooooo-----

If you are the sort of person who is motivated by
a technical interest in how things work; if you took apart
malfunctioning clocks, toasters and the like and put them
right despite never having seen them working, then
a Ham Radio licence is your traditional route! There has
never been a shortage of such people, and those who gravitate
towards such an interest have always been welcomed into
our shacks and their interests fostered. There is not today,
nor has there ever been, a need to go out and encourage
and press children, children who have never expressed an
interest in Ham Radio, to come into our shacks. Such an
activity should cause eyebrows to be raised - what
normal well-adjusted adults seek the social acquaintance
of children?!

-----ooooo-----

Please remember that this FAQ is a _POSITIVE EXHORTATION_
to you to exert yourselves to join our fraternity!

Over a year ago I decided to leave uk.r.a because of all the childish,
mindless bickering and self righteous wind up comments and questions.
I've been back a week and have decided that this was probably 6 days too
long.

See you all again in another year or so, if you haven't all disappeared
up your own orifices by then.
--
Bill

In message , Bill
writes

Over a year ago I decided to leave uk.r.a because of all the childish,
mindless bickering and self righteous wind up comments and questions.

I'm beginning to suspect that no intelligent life-forms are actually
involved, and that it's all generated by computers.

I've been back a week and have decided that this was probably 6 days
too long.

See you all again in another year or so, if you haven't all disappeared
up your own orifices by then.

Well, we now have uk.r.a.m.
--
Ian

On 10/01/2016 16:17, Ian Jackson wrote:
In message , Bill
writes

Over a year ago I decided to leave uk.r.a because of all the
childish, mindless bickering and self righteous wind up comments and
questions.

I'm beginning to suspect that no intelligent life-forms are actually
involved, and that it's all generated by computers.

I've been back a week and have decided that this was probably 6 days
too long.

See you all again in another year or so, if you haven't all
disappeared up your own orifices by then.

Well, we now have uk.r.a.m.

...where you can talk about wall-wart USB supplies, meting plastics, and
how quiet UKRAM is.

Meanwhile, in one thread alone here there's been more AR technical stuff
than UKRAM has had since its inception.

But you got your Promised Land, thanks in part to a Mr M T Cole (who has
yet to show), so why don't you bugger off there and quit whingeing on here?


--
Spike

"They thought that because they had power, they had wisdom"

- with apologies to Stephen Vincent Benet

En el artículo , Roger Hayter
escribió:

I am gratified to hear it. There are some of us who might think that
without at least some electronic design or construction effort

I love home-building stuff when I get the time. Unfortunately, the
maxim that "one is busier in retirement than when one was employed, the
only difference being one no longer gets paid" is all too true.

amateur
radio was remarkably like philately. Though we would probably not admit
to that opinion in public.

Probably not.

--
(\_/)
(='.'=) Bunny says: Windows 10? Nein danke!
(")_(")

En el artículo , Bill
escribió:

See you all again in another year or so, if you haven't all disappeared
up your own orifices by then.

You may wish to try uk.radio.amateur.moderated, which was recently
created for people like you who don't wish to venture into the dinosaur-
infested cesspit that is uk.radio.amateur. Moderation ensures that
discussion is on-topic and no personal attacks are permitted.

It's low traffic at the moment only having been in existence for about
three weeks, but discussion up to now has been interesting and relevant.
Please feel free to join in.

--
(\_/)
(='.'=) Bunny says: Windows 10? Nein danke!
(")_(")

Spike wrote:

snip


But you got your Promised Land, thanks in part to a Mr M T Cole (who has
yet to show), so why don't you bugger off there and quit whingeing on here?

I wasn't aware that *I* was whinging; you, on the other hand ...

--

Roger Hayter

On 10/01/2016 22:07, Brian Reay wrote:
Spike wrote:
On 10/01/2016 16:17, Ian Jackson wrote:

Well, we now have uk.r.a.m.

..where you can talk about wall-wart USB supplies, meting plastics, and
how quiet UKRAM is.

Meanwhile, in one thread alone here there's been more AR technical stuff
than UKRAM has had since its inception.

But you got your Promised Land, thanks in part to a Mr M T Cole (who has
yet to show), so why don't you bugger off there and quit whingeing on here?

Because it is a free country and, contrary to your deeply held views, you
do not control this newsgroup or any other. Get over it.

False argument.

You have not been charged for this education in reality.

You are a source of endless amusement.


--
Spike

"They thought that because they had power, they had wisdom"

- with apologies to Stephen Vincent Benet

On 10/01/2016 22:59, Brian Reay wrote:
Spike wrote:
On 10/01/2016 22:07, Brian Reay wrote:
Spike wrote:
On 10/01/2016 16:17, Ian Jackson wrote:

Well, we now have uk.r.a.m.

..where you can talk about wall-wart USB supplies, meting plastics, and
how quiet UKRAM is.

Meanwhile, in one thread alone here there's been more AR technical stuff
than UKRAM has had since its inception.

But you got your Promised Land, thanks in part to a Mr M T Cole (who has
yet to show), so why don't you bugger off there and quit whingeing on here?

Because it is a free country and, contrary to your deeply held views, you
do not control this newsgroup or any other. Get over it.

False argument.

So you believe you control this group?

False argument compounding a false argument.

How long have you had this Napoleon complex?

Not as long as you?

Do you have a little Napoleon hat?

Nope. I don't have a Napoleon wig, either.

Perhaps you practice the 'look', the hand trucked in the coat.

I certainly don't practice 'the look' by rolling up my trouser leg and
wearing an apron.

That must look funny when you are shopping for your M&S meal deals ;-)

Having a bared breast would be far worse :-)))

Thanks for the continuing source of amusement!


--
Spike

"They thought that because they had power, they had wisdom"

- with apologies to Stephen Vincent Benet

Spike wrote:
On 10/01/2016 16:17, Ian Jackson wrote:
In message , Bill
writes

Over a year ago I decided to leave uk.r.a because of all the
childish, mindless bickering and self righteous wind up comments and
questions.

I'm beginning to suspect that no intelligent life-forms are actually
involved, and that it's all generated by computers.

I've been back a week and have decided that this was probably 6 days
too long.

See you all again in another year or so, if you haven't all
disappeared up your own orifices by then.

Well, we now have uk.r.a.m.

..where you can talk about wall-wart USB supplies, meting plastics, and how quiet UKRAM is.

Meanwhile, in one thread alone here there's been more AR technical stuff
than UKRAM has had since its inception.

But you got your Promised Land, thanks in part to a Mr M T Cole (who has
yet to show), so why don't you bugger off there and quit whingeing on here?


Gotten to.

--
STC // M0TEY // twitter.com/ukradioamateur