KB6NU's Ham Radio Blog

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Announcing the 2016 Michigan QSO Party

Posted: 07 Apr 2016 11:15 AM PDT
http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/kb6nu...m_medium=email

As those of you who have read my blog before know, Im a big booster of
state QSO parties. Well, the Michigan QSO Party is happening on Saturday,
April 16, from 1600Z to 0400Z. Â*

As I did last year, I plan to operate with the University of Michigan
Amateur Radio Club. They have an ongoing rivalry with the Michigan State
University Amateur Radio Club. Theres even a trophy thats held by the
winner of the competition, in the spirit of the Paul Bunyan Trophy, which
goes to the winner of the U-M/MSU football game. Its called the Ole Log,
and as you can see from the picture above, it kind of looks like the state
of Michigan.Â*Last year, we trounced the MSU team, and we plan to do it
again this year.
At any rate, I hope that youll consider participating, and if you do, that
youll listen for us. Our callsignÂ*is W8UM.
Heres the announcement from our Division Director, WA8EFK:
Just Have Some Fun!!!!!

Chance to get on the air
Single Op, Multi Op, Mobile, EOC
Be the station others want to work
Maybe activate a rare county?
Excellent Club Activity
Reason to get together as group
Join the fun in the “EOC� station category
Excellent Training opportunity!
Get new members on the air!
Friendly Competition

Let’s all help make Michigan “radio-activeâ€� on the 16th ofÂ*April!!!!
Get your local EOC on the air and show the emergency management teamÂ*how
amateur radio can benefit their efforts!!!
The 2016 Michigan QSO Party, sponsored by the Mad River Radio Club, isÂ*from
1600Z April 16 until 0400Z April 17. Â*
Stations may operate the full 12 hours. Phone and CW on
80/40/20/15/10Â*meters. Â*Single-op, multi-op, and mobile categories. Â*Â*Work
stationsÂ*once per band and mode. Â*MI-to-MI QSOs allowed. Work portables
andÂ*mobiles again as they change county, state or province. Â*Exchange
QSOÂ*number and location (county for MI stations, state/province or DX
forÂ*others). Â*
Suggested frequencies:

CW-3545, 7045, 14045, 21045, 28045;

Phone-3825,Â*7200, 14250, 21300, 28450. Â*
One point per phone QSO, two points per CWÂ*QSO. Â*Count multipliers once per
mode.
Multipliers are MI counties for all entries, plus states, provinces andÂ*DX
for MI entries only. Â*Final score is total Â*QSO points times
totalÂ*multipliers. Â*
Submit logs no later than 30 days after the contest. Â*Electronic logsÂ*in
Cabrillo format are submitted via the Log Submittal page on the MiQPÂ*web
site http://www.miqp.org/submitLogFileMiQP.html. Â*Mail paper logsÂ*with
summary sheets to: Mad River Radio Club, c/o Dave Pruett, 2727Â*Harris Road,
Ypsilanti, MI 48198. Â*
For full rules, along with free logging software, log and summaryÂ*sheets,
see http://www.miqp.org.

The post Announcing the 2016 Michigan QSO Party appeared first on KB6NUs
Ham Radio Blog.

On 4/8/2016 12:59 PM, KB6NU via rec.radio.amateur.moderated Admin wrote:

KB6NU's Ham Radio Blog

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Announcing the 2016 Michigan QSO Party

Posted: 07 Apr 2016 11:15 AM PDT
http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/kb6nu...m_medium=email


As those of you who have read my blog before know, Im a big booster of
state QSO parties. Well, the Michigan QSO Party is happening on
Saturday, April 16, from 1600Z to 0400Z.

As I did last year, I plan to operate with the University of Michigan
Amateur Radio Club. They have an ongoing rivalry with the Michigan State
University Amateur Radio Club. Theres even a trophy thats held by the
winner of the competition, in the spirit of the Paul Bunyan Trophy,
which goes to the winner of the U-M/MSU football game. Its called the
Ole Log, and as you can see from the picture above, it kind of looks
like the state of Michigan. Last year, we trounced the MSU team, and we
plan to do it again this year.
At any rate, I hope that youll consider participating, and if you do,
that youll listen for us. Our callsign is W8UM.
Heres the announcement from our Division Director, WA8EFK:
Just Have Some Fun!!!!!

Chance to get on the air
Single Op, Multi Op, Mobile, EOC
Be the station others want to work
Maybe activate a rare county?
Excellent Club Activity
Reason to get together as group
Join the fun in the “EOC� station category
Excellent Training opportunity!
Get new members on the air!
Friendly Competition

Let’s all help make Michigan “radio-active� on the 16th of April!!!!
Get your local EOC on the air and show the emergency management team how
amateur radio can benefit their efforts!!!
The 2016 Michigan QSO Party, sponsored by the Mad River Radio Club,
is from 1600Z April 16 until 0400Z April 17.
Stations may operate the full 12 hours. Phone and CW on
80/40/20/15/10 meters. Single-op, multi-op, and mobile categories.
Work stations once per band and mode. MI-to-MI QSOs allowed. Work
portables and mobiles again as they change county, state or province.
Exchange QSO number and location (county for MI stations,
state/province or DX for others).
Suggested frequencies:

CW-3545, 7045, 14045, 21045, 28045;

Phone-3825, 7200, 14250, 21300, 28450.
One point per phone QSO, two points per CW QSO. Count multipliers once
per mode.
Multipliers are MI counties for all entries, plus states, provinces
and DX for MI entries only. Final score is total QSO points times
total multipliers.
Submit logs no later than 30 days after the contest. Electronic logs in
Cabrillo format are submitted via the Log Submittal page on the MiQP web
site http://www.miqp.org/submitLogFileMiQP.html. Mail paper logs with
summary sheets to: Mad River Radio Club, c/o Dave Pruett, 2727 Harris
Road, Ypsilanti, MI 48198.
For full rules, along with free logging software, log and
summary sheets, see http://www.miqp.org.

The post Announcing the 2016 Michigan QSO Party appeared first on KB6NUs
Ham Radio Blog.

To the moderators of rec.radio.amateur.moderated; Please stop posting
these blog echos here. I'd like to see this group be a useful place to
discuss homebrew equipment, but your posts drown out any useful content
that might happen.

Can't you stick to your own moderated group? You have managed to kill
it off with virtually no postings other than the blog echos you seem
obsessed with.

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Rick

rickman wrote:
The post Announcing the 2016 Michigan QSO Party appeared first on KB6NUs
Ham Radio Blog.

To the moderators of rec.radio.amateur.moderated; Please stop posting
these blog echos here. I'd like to see this group be a useful place to
discuss homebrew equipment, but your posts drown out any useful content
that might happen.

Can't you stick to your own moderated group? You have managed to kill
it off with virtually no postings other than the blog echos you seem
obsessed with.

It appears you do not understand "moderated newsgroups"...

When someone, e.g. KB6NU, posts a message to multiple newsgroups that
include a moderated group, e.g.:
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.moderated,rec.radio.amateur.home brew
the news posting software will recognize this and instead of posting
it will mail the message to the moderator of the moderated group, who
will then post the message in both groups.

So, when you see a multiposted message in a moderated and non-moderated
group, it will appear like it is being posted by the moderator, but in
reality there is someone else who has originally submitted the message.

In this case that may be KB6NU or someone else who likes to relay those
blog messages to usenet, but the poster is not necessarily related
to the moderator of the group.

On 4/8/2016 4:19 PM, Rob wrote:
rickman wrote:
The post Announcing the 2016 Michigan QSO Party appeared first on KB6NUs
Ham Radio Blog.

To the moderators of rec.radio.amateur.moderated; Please stop posting
these blog echos here. I'd like to see this group be a useful place to
discuss homebrew equipment, but your posts drown out any useful content
that might happen.

Can't you stick to your own moderated group? You have managed to kill
it off with virtually no postings other than the blog echos you seem
obsessed with.

It appears you do not understand "moderated newsgroups"...

When someone, e.g. KB6NU, posts a message to multiple newsgroups that
include a moderated group, e.g.:
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.moderated,rec.radio.amateur.home brew
the news posting software will recognize this and instead of posting
it will mail the message to the moderator of the moderated group, who
will then post the message in both groups.

So, when you see a multiposted message in a moderated and non-moderated
group, it will appear like it is being posted by the moderator, but in
reality there is someone else who has originally submitted the message.

In this case that may be KB6NU or someone else who likes to relay those
blog messages to usenet, but the poster is not necessarily related
to the moderator of the group.


Incorrect on several counts. First of all, this is not a moderated
newsgroup. Second of all, if you look at the headers, it is NOT KB6NU
who is posting to the group - it is panix.com.

And even if this were a moderated newsgroup, moderation does NOT change
who the poster is. Otherwise all messages to a moderated newsgroup
would have the moderator's id. And even postings to unmoderated
newsgroups would have the moderator's id. This is proven false simply
because rickman's posting also went to r.r.a.m, yet it has his info as
the poster.

And finally, panix.com is well-known for taking blog postings off the
internet (not always with the poster's permission, which is a copyright
violation) and posting them in multiple newsgroups.

So it seems rickman is correct, and it is you who doesn't understand how
usenet works.


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Remove the "x" from my email address
Jerry, AI0K

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Rob wrote:

rickman wrote:
The post Announcing the 2016 Michigan QSO Party appeared first on KB6NUs
Ham Radio Blog.

To the moderators of rec.radio.amateur.moderated; Please stop posting
these blog echos here. I'd like to see this group be a useful place to
discuss homebrew equipment, but your posts drown out any useful content
that might happen.

Can't you stick to your own moderated group? You have managed to kill
it off with virtually no postings other than the blog echos you seem
obsessed with.

It appears you do not understand "moderated newsgroups"...

When someone, e.g. KB6NU, posts a message to multiple newsgroups that
include a moderated group, e.g.:
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.moderated,rec.radio.amateur.home brew
the news posting software will recognize this and instead of posting
it will mail the message to the moderator of the moderated group, who
will then post the message in both groups.

So, when you see a multiposted message in a moderated and non-moderated
group, it will appear like it is being posted by the moderator, but in
reality there is someone else who has originally submitted the message.

In this case that may be KB6NU or someone else who likes to relay those
blog messages to usenet, but the poster is not necessarily related
to the moderator of the group.

Firstly we do know they are related and work together. Secondly, it is
the choice of moderators to allow cross-posts to their newsgroup: many
don't.

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Roger Hayter

On 4/8/2016 7:03 PM, Roger Hayter wrote:
Rob wrote:

rickman wrote:
The post Announcing the 2016 Michigan QSO Party appeared first on KB6NUs
Ham Radio Blog.

To the moderators of rec.radio.amateur.moderated; Please stop posting
these blog echos here. I'd like to see this group be a useful place to
discuss homebrew equipment, but your posts drown out any useful content
that might happen.

Can't you stick to your own moderated group? You have managed to kill
it off with virtually no postings other than the blog echos you seem
obsessed with.

It appears you do not understand "moderated newsgroups"...

When someone, e.g. KB6NU, posts a message to multiple newsgroups that
include a moderated group, e.g.:
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.moderated,rec.radio.amateur.home brew
the news posting software will recognize this and instead of posting
it will mail the message to the moderator of the moderated group, who
will then post the message in both groups.

So, when you see a multiposted message in a moderated and non-moderated
group, it will appear like it is being posted by the moderator, but in
reality there is someone else who has originally submitted the message.

In this case that may be KB6NU or someone else who likes to relay those
blog messages to usenet, but the poster is not necessarily related
to the moderator of the group.

Firstly we do know they are related and work together. Secondly, it is
the choice of moderators to allow cross-posts to their newsgroup: many
don't.

I found my reply to the original message showed up in r.r.a.m, so either
the reply escaped moderation or the moderators have moderated their
policies on moderation. lol

I've sent messages before that attempted to discuss the nature of the
group and they were rejected because they were meta-discussions...
discussions about the mechanism of discussion.

I was actually trying to see if I could get some conversations going in
r.r.a.m and started with saying something like, "I don't see many
conversations here". That was the content that caused my post to be
rejected. I can see why no one posts in r.r.a.m. I don't get why they
need to trash r.r.a.h as well. It has a chance of getting useful
discussions going.

--

Rick

Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 4/8/2016 4:19 PM, Rob wrote:
rickman wrote:
The post Announcing the 2016 Michigan QSO Party appeared first on KB6NUs
Ham Radio Blog.

To the moderators of rec.radio.amateur.moderated; Please stop posting
these blog echos here. I'd like to see this group be a useful place to
discuss homebrew equipment, but your posts drown out any useful content
that might happen.

Can't you stick to your own moderated group? You have managed to kill
it off with virtually no postings other than the blog echos you seem
obsessed with.

It appears you do not understand "moderated newsgroups"...

When someone, e.g. KB6NU, posts a message to multiple newsgroups that
include a moderated group, e.g.:
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.moderated,rec.radio.amateur.home brew
the news posting software will recognize this and instead of posting
it will mail the message to the moderator of the moderated group, who
will then post the message in both groups.

So, when you see a multiposted message in a moderated and non-moderated
group, it will appear like it is being posted by the moderator, but in
reality there is someone else who has originally submitted the message.

In this case that may be KB6NU or someone else who likes to relay those
blog messages to usenet, but the poster is not necessarily related
to the moderator of the group.


Incorrect on several counts. First of all, this is not a moderated
newsgroup. Second of all, if you look at the headers, it is NOT KB6NU
who is posting to the group - it is panix.com.

Apparently you did not even bother to read it... the messages are
posted to TWO newsgroups, one moderated and one not moderated. That
leads to the mechanism I describe.

Rob wrote:

Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 4/8/2016 4:19 PM, Rob wrote:
rickman wrote:
The post Announcing the 2016 Michigan QSO Party appeared first on KB6NUs
Ham Radio Blog.

To the moderators of rec.radio.amateur.moderated; Please stop posting
these blog echos here. I'd like to see this group be a useful place to
discuss homebrew equipment, but your posts drown out any useful content
that might happen.

Can't you stick to your own moderated group? You have managed to kill
it off with virtually no postings other than the blog echos you seem
obsessed with.

It appears you do not understand "moderated newsgroups"...

When someone, e.g. KB6NU, posts a message to multiple newsgroups that
include a moderated group, e.g.:
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.moderated,rec.radio.amateur.home brew
the news posting software will recognize this and instead of posting
it will mail the message to the moderator of the moderated group, who
will then post the message in both groups.

So, when you see a multiposted message in a moderated and non-moderated
group, it will appear like it is being posted by the moderator, but in
reality there is someone else who has originally submitted the message.

In this case that may be KB6NU or someone else who likes to relay those
blog messages to usenet, but the poster is not necessarily related
to the moderator of the group.


Incorrect on several counts. First of all, this is not a moderated
newsgroup. Second of all, if you look at the headers, it is NOT KB6NU
who is posting to the group - it is panix.com.

Apparently you did not even bother to read it... the messages are
posted to TWO newsgroups, one moderated and one not moderated. That
leads to the mechanism I describe.

It *could* happen. Or, as I believe is the case, the originators could
(with the permission of the moderators!) include in the original message
the approval headers needed for its display in the moderated group,
bypassing any direct involvement of the group moderators. And bypassing
submission to the moderation email address.



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Roger Hayter

On 4/9/2016 4:19 AM, Rob wrote:
Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 4/8/2016 4:19 PM, Rob wrote:
rickman wrote:
The post Announcing the 2016 Michigan QSO Party appeared first on KB6NUs
Ham Radio Blog.

To the moderators of rec.radio.amateur.moderated; Please stop posting
these blog echos here. I'd like to see this group be a useful place to
discuss homebrew equipment, but your posts drown out any useful content
that might happen.

Can't you stick to your own moderated group? You have managed to kill
it off with virtually no postings other than the blog echos you seem
obsessed with.

It appears you do not understand "moderated newsgroups"...

When someone, e.g. KB6NU, posts a message to multiple newsgroups that
include a moderated group, e.g.:
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.moderated,rec.radio.amateur.home brew
the news posting software will recognize this and instead of posting
it will mail the message to the moderator of the moderated group, who
will then post the message in both groups.

So, when you see a multiposted message in a moderated and non-moderated
group, it will appear like it is being posted by the moderator, but in
reality there is someone else who has originally submitted the message.

In this case that may be KB6NU or someone else who likes to relay those
blog messages to usenet, but the poster is not necessarily related
to the moderator of the group.


Incorrect on several counts. First of all, this is not a moderated
newsgroup. Second of all, if you look at the headers, it is NOT KB6NU
who is posting to the group - it is panix.com.

Apparently you did not even bother to read it... the messages are
posted to TWO newsgroups, one moderated and one not moderated. That
leads to the mechanism I describe.


I did read it, and no, it did not lead to the mechanism you described.
Rickman's post was also to a moderated and a non-moderated newsgroup,
and did not show up as panix.com.

And you obviously did not even read my response.

So before you jump to conclusions and criticize others, you need to know
how things work.

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Remove the "x" from my email address
Jerry, AI0K

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On Sat, 9 Apr 2016, rickman wrote:

On 4/8/2016 7:03 PM, Roger Hayter wrote:
Rob wrote:

rickman wrote:
The post Announcing the 2016 Michigan QSO Party appeared first on KB6NUs
Ham Radio Blog.

To the moderators of rec.radio.amateur.moderated; Please stop posting
these blog echos here. I'd like to see this group be a useful place to
discuss homebrew equipment, but your posts drown out any useful content
that might happen.

Can't you stick to your own moderated group? You have managed to kill
it off with virtually no postings other than the blog echos you seem
obsessed with.

It appears you do not understand "moderated newsgroups"...

When someone, e.g. KB6NU, posts a message to multiple newsgroups that
include a moderated group, e.g.:
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.moderated,rec.radio.amateur.home brew
the news posting software will recognize this and instead of posting
it will mail the message to the moderator of the moderated group, who
will then post the message in both groups.

So, when you see a multiposted message in a moderated and non-moderated
group, it will appear like it is being posted by the moderator, but in
reality there is someone else who has originally submitted the message.

In this case that may be KB6NU or someone else who likes to relay those
blog messages to usenet, but the poster is not necessarily related
to the moderator of the group.

Firstly we do know they are related and work together. Secondly, it is
the choice of moderators to allow cross-posts to their newsgroup: many
don't.

I found my reply to the original message showed up in r.r.a.m, so either the
reply escaped moderation or the moderators have moderated their policies on
moderation. lol

I've sent messages before that attempted to discuss the nature of the group
and they were rejected because they were meta-discussions... discussions
about the mechanism of discussion.

Yes, I was surprised your post appeared. My experience is that if they
reject it, the post is lost despite the cross-posting, so any replies I
make, I take out the moderated newsgroup.

Michael

I was actually trying to see if I could get some conversations going in
r.r.a.m and started with saying something like, "I don't see many
conversations here". That was the content that caused my post to be
rejected. I can see why no one posts in r.r.a.m. I don't get why they need
to trash r.r.a.h as well. It has a chance of getting useful discussions
going.

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Rick