My wife recently had a defibrillator implanted. The folks that
manufactured it kindly sent her an email discussing the varoius bands
and field strengths it had been tested against E field and H field).
She is concerned about exposure to RF both from our mobile VHF and HF
operations, and from the un-shielded multi-gigahertz processors in her
lab. We would like to come up with an absolute (not relative) field
strength meter that we can use to evaluate field strengths (mainly E
field) at various frequencies. I could not find anything on Google.

I can cobble something together wirh an antenna, a tuned front end, a
detector, and a peak sampler, but how to calibrate it?

Any suggestions?

TNX Ed Bailen - N5KZW

Ed Bailen wrote in message . ..
My wife recently had a defibrillator implanted. The folks that
manufactured it kindly sent her an email discussing the varoius bands
and field strengths it had been tested against E field and H field).
She is concerned about exposure to RF both from our mobile VHF and HF
operations, and from the un-shielded multi-gigahertz processors in her
lab. We would like to come up with an absolute (not relative) field
strength meter that we can use to evaluate field strengths (mainly E
field) at various frequencies. I could not find anything on Google.

I can cobble something together wirh an antenna, a tuned front end, a
detector, and a peak sampler, but how to calibrate it?

Any suggestions?

TNX Ed Bailen - N5KZW

Hi Ed,
I dont think you can, not without accesss to the proper gear in a RF
shielded room (anechoic chamber?). But, and this is an educated guess,
the defibrillator would be constructed to withstand fairy massive RF
fields - ie, if you lived at the base of a 100Kw TV/ tranmitter. The
only practical thing I can suggest is, as most of these devices can be
monitered via an external pod to check operation, get your heart
specialist to have his monitoring gear on it while you fire up HF/VHF
whatever gear - you might have to do a bit of smooth talking, but what
other option is there......

I have a friend who is in a similar position, he was a TV service tech
and was told not to work on the back of TV' s because of the radiation
from the line output stage - sounds a bit like bull****, but then no
manufacturer is EVER going to say its safe to do this as it would
expose them to litigation if it didnt - sort of like dont ask the
government for pernmission to do anything as they will always cover
their backs and say no.

73 de VK3BFA Andrew.

PS - hope your wife is ok, at least she knows if anything happens it
will kick in and do a "cold restart"

Ed Bailen wrote in message . ..
My wife recently had a defibrillator implanted. The folks that
manufactured it kindly sent her an email discussing the varoius bands
and field strengths it had been tested against E field and H field).
She is concerned about exposure to RF both from our mobile VHF and HF
operations, and from the un-shielded multi-gigahertz processors in her
lab. We would like to come up with an absolute (not relative) field
strength meter that we can use to evaluate field strengths (mainly E
field) at various frequencies. I could not find anything on Google.

I can cobble something together wirh an antenna, a tuned front end, a
detector, and a peak sampler, but how to calibrate it?

Any suggestions?

TNX Ed Bailen - N5KZW

Hi Ed,
I dont think you can, not without accesss to the proper gear in a RF
shielded room (anechoic chamber?). But, and this is an educated guess,
the defibrillator would be constructed to withstand fairy massive RF
fields - ie, if you lived at the base of a 100Kw TV/ tranmitter. The
only practical thing I can suggest is, as most of these devices can be
monitered via an external pod to check operation, get your heart
specialist to have his monitoring gear on it while you fire up HF/VHF
whatever gear - you might have to do a bit of smooth talking, but what
other option is there......

I have a friend who is in a similar position, he was a TV service tech
and was told not to work on the back of TV' s because of the radiation
from the line output stage - sounds a bit like bull****, but then no
manufacturer is EVER going to say its safe to do this as it would
expose them to litigation if it didnt - sort of like dont ask the
government for pernmission to do anything as they will always cover
their backs and say no.

73 de VK3BFA Andrew.

PS - hope your wife is ok, at least she knows if anything happens it
will kick in and do a "cold restart"

First of all I'll editorialize by saying this is a paranoid fear unless she
frequently travels to areas of very high RF field intensity. Secondly, a
'wearable' instrument will be a compromise, at best. A real spectrum
analyzer with a calibrated antenna is what you need for 'accurate'
frequency-dependent measurements.
End of editorial.

The simplest way I can think of to do this job is to use the Analog Devices
8307 log detector IC. This chip has an accurate 90 dB measurement range that
goes down into the microvolt region and operates to over 1Ghz. If you built
a series of these detectors, each one with a broad bandpass filter front-end
for the appropriate frequency range, then you could measure all the log
output DC voltages with a PIC processor and light up LED indicators when a
threshold limit is exceeded. As an embellishment, you might arrange a set
of, say, 6 bar-graph LED modules oriented in a vertical position
side-by-side with each other. This would provide a crude spectrum analyzer
display.


Joe
W3JDR


"Ed Bailen" wrote in message
...
My wife recently had a defibrillator implanted. The folks that
manufactured it kindly sent her an email discussing the varoius bands
and field strengths it had been tested against E field and H field).
She is concerned about exposure to RF both from our mobile VHF and HF
operations, and from the un-shielded multi-gigahertz processors in her
lab. We would like to come up with an absolute (not relative) field
strength meter that we can use to evaluate field strengths (mainly E
field) at various frequencies. I could not find anything on Google.

I can cobble something together wirh an antenna, a tuned front end, a
detector, and a peak sampler, but how to calibrate it?

Any suggestions?

TNX Ed Bailen - N5KZW

First of all I'll editorialize by saying this is a paranoid fear unless she
frequently travels to areas of very high RF field intensity. Secondly, a
'wearable' instrument will be a compromise, at best. A real spectrum
analyzer with a calibrated antenna is what you need for 'accurate'
frequency-dependent measurements.
End of editorial.

The simplest way I can think of to do this job is to use the Analog Devices
8307 log detector IC. This chip has an accurate 90 dB measurement range that
goes down into the microvolt region and operates to over 1Ghz. If you built
a series of these detectors, each one with a broad bandpass filter front-end
for the appropriate frequency range, then you could measure all the log
output DC voltages with a PIC processor and light up LED indicators when a
threshold limit is exceeded. As an embellishment, you might arrange a set
of, say, 6 bar-graph LED modules oriented in a vertical position
side-by-side with each other. This would provide a crude spectrum analyzer
display.


Joe
W3JDR


"Ed Bailen" wrote in message
...
My wife recently had a defibrillator implanted. The folks that
manufactured it kindly sent her an email discussing the varoius bands
and field strengths it had been tested against E field and H field).
She is concerned about exposure to RF both from our mobile VHF and HF
operations, and from the un-shielded multi-gigahertz processors in her
lab. We would like to come up with an absolute (not relative) field
strength meter that we can use to evaluate field strengths (mainly E
field) at various frequencies. I could not find anything on Google.

I can cobble something together wirh an antenna, a tuned front end, a
detector, and a peak sampler, but how to calibrate it?

Any suggestions?

TNX Ed Bailen - N5KZW

I would run low power in the mobile until you can ask your cardiologist or E.P.
doc on the next office visit.

But hey, what's the worse that can happen? The defib goes off, she gets a shock
like she got kicked by a mule, then it's over. No harm done, happens so fast
you don't know it until it's over, and then you know for sure !

:^]

jw
K9RZZ

I would run low power in the mobile until you can ask your cardiologist or E.P.
doc on the next office visit.

But hey, what's the worse that can happen? The defib goes off, she gets a shock
like she got kicked by a mule, then it's over. No harm done, happens so fast
you don't know it until it's over, and then you know for sure !

:^]

jw
K9RZZ

I don't know the threshold specs involved, but you can crudely estimate
field strength if you know transmitter power. The "impedance" of free space
/ air is 377 ohms. Thus the ratio of RF field voltage and current will be
fixed and related to the power density - unless the field is distorted.

As another crude approximation, assume that (unless you know a radiation
pattern) that the unwanted signal's power is equally distributed over a
sphere or maybe a hemisphere.

The above will allow you to compute a crude approximation of field strength.

The FCC requires hams to make these calculations with transmitters above
certain power thresholds.


How close does this come to the stated "safe" field strengths? I certainly
wouldn't want to come as close as 20 dB (10 times voltage) to the stated
thresholds.


TV/FM broadcasting stations have very little field strength directly under
their tall towers. All broadcasting stations are not allowed to exceed
certain field strengths on the ground outside their fenced compounds. The
TV/FM stations in a hilltop residential area in Portland, OR, had to greatly
increase their tower heights when this rule came into effect.

de w3otc

I don't know the threshold specs involved, but you can crudely estimate
field strength if you know transmitter power. The "impedance" of free space
/ air is 377 ohms. Thus the ratio of RF field voltage and current will be
fixed and related to the power density - unless the field is distorted.

As another crude approximation, assume that (unless you know a radiation
pattern) that the unwanted signal's power is equally distributed over a
sphere or maybe a hemisphere.

The above will allow you to compute a crude approximation of field strength.

The FCC requires hams to make these calculations with transmitters above
certain power thresholds.


How close does this come to the stated "safe" field strengths? I certainly
wouldn't want to come as close as 20 dB (10 times voltage) to the stated
thresholds.


TV/FM broadcasting stations have very little field strength directly under
their tall towers. All broadcasting stations are not allowed to exceed
certain field strengths on the ground outside their fenced compounds. The
TV/FM stations in a hilltop residential area in Portland, OR, had to greatly
increase their tower heights when this rule came into effect.

de w3otc

The "impedance" of free space/ air is 377 ohms. Thus the ratio of RF field
voltage and current will be
fixed and related to the power density - unless the field is distorted.

As another crude approximation, assume that (unless you know a radiation
pattern) that the unwanted signal's power is equally distributed over a
sphere or maybe a hemisphere.

R. J. & Ed-

The calculations R. J. refers to apply to a field at a distance - called "far
field". Up close, radiation patterns are complex and not easily predicted.

For the sake of discussion, lets carry this free space impedance topic a bit
further. If you know transmitted power and the type of antenna, you can
approximate the effective radiated power. For example, a half wave dipole and
a quarter wave ground plane have about the same gain, 2.1 dB. If you are
concerned about worst-case, you should assume a handheld radio with a
rubber-duckie antenna, has the same gain as a full size ground plane. (You
could also add some gain due to reflecting surfaces, just to be safe.)

Suppose your handheld radio has five watts output. For a gain of 2.1 dB, the
effective isotropic radiated power is about 8 watts. This power illuminates
the inner surface area of a sphere equal to (4/3) Pi R-squared, where R is the
distance.

At some distance the field strength will equal an amount that will interfere
with the defibrillator. Suppose that critical field strength is one Volt per
Meter. One Volt squared, divided by 377 equals 2.7 milliWatts per square
Meter.

Working this backwards with the sphere, 4/3 Pi R-squared divided by 8 watts
equals the power (2.7 mW) per square meter at distance R. You can calculate
that the minimum distance R equals 0.072 Meters, which is less than 3 inches.
(Please don't hold any errors against me. Check it yourself!)

Since this distance is well within the near-field region, there is an
uncertainty that depends on whether there is electric coupling or magnetic
coupling. To be absolutely sure there is no interference, you could back off a
couple of wavelengths, say fifteen feet on two meters. (Others may say ten
times 3 inches would be enough.)

How does this one Volt per Meter assumption compare with the defibrillator
specifications? If the spec is higher, then there seems little to worry about.

73, Fred, K4DII