Suggest you look at:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/....amateur/about

There you will se that there are less than 100 users of this NG of
which only 10 are regular posters (of which you are one). The other
nine all hate you, so I'd say your chances are slim to none (and Slim's
on holiday).

Greteings, one and all!


Airy R.Bean wrote:

I'm not proposing anything like that. I don't know
anything about the K2.

Thereby showing the massive extent of his ignorance. Anyone propounding
to know anything about developments in amateur (not 'HAM') radio during
the past decade who doesn't know anything about the K2 is of course not
worth the space he takes up: and most certainly not the air that he
breaths.

To paraphrase poor Airy - the Ignorant Prat reveals his true nature
every time he opens his mouth.

Regards,

Mr Wibble

Mr.Westcott once again demonstrates his infantile personality.

Grow up, Mr.Westcott!

"Tim Wescott" wrote in message
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Airy R. Bean wrote:

-- the usual crap --

DON'T FEED THE TROLL!

I wonder why Mr.Reay pours scorn on a proposal
which perhaps he himself ought to have come up
with bearing in mind his regular _BOASTING_ about how
important he perceives himself to be in the training
of newcomers?

Is it because he is tetchy (to use his own phrase) that he
didn't think of the idea first?

Perhaps, bearing in mind his recent boasts about share dealings,
he has shares in Waters And Stanton?

Either way, his rather silly and infantile sneering below does seem
to suggest that he is irrelevant to the future of _REAL_ Ham Radio;
and of no value to any scheme for beginners.

"Brian Reay" wrote in message
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"mexico_zero" wrote in message
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"Airy R. Bean" wrote in message .....
is that we club together and conceive of a design snip
We wouldn't need any facilities other than were present in,
say, the KW2000 of 35 years ago snip
None of the CBer's facilities such as scanners, memories,
CAT interfaces, CTCSS and the like are necessary snip
I suggest that we consider a DSP approach for all the
baseband mod and demod, and then phasing techniques
for translating into the various bands.snip
Indeed, not a bad idea at all.
However, what is to be gained by re-inventing a (in radio terms) stone age
design?
Thinks like computer control provide added challenge and attraction to the
idea, why dismiss them? They could always be add-ons. DSP. Oh dear. I
assume this phasing technique relies on Big K.
Or maybe he just meant mixing, an existing technique not needing DSP.

Whatever you say about your K2, it is a proprietary design,
and thus no different from the YaesKenIcom products, and
therefore is off-the-shelf

The essence of Ham Radio is that we produce and maintain
our own designs and are not beholden to any commercial
operation that has its sights set on the shekels.

I'm not interested in a comparison with commercial gear. The
idea is to design a transceiver that is easily reproducible by
beginners, and which is future-proofed by having the
interface between stages well-specified so that you could,
for example, substitute your own mixing stages.

"gb" wrote in message
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"Airy R.Bean" wrote in message
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I'm not proposing anything like that. I don't know
anything about the K2.
You seem to have missed the point somewhat, if your
thoughts go straight to what you can buy off the shelf.

Not "off the shelf" product. I am very surprised that you are unaware of
Elecraft (founded in 1998) by Wayne Burdick (N6KR) and Eric Swartz (WA6HHQ).
They are the design team dedicated to "hands-on" ham radio transceivers and
accessories that can easily be built by amateurs.

I don't follow URL's from Usenet - it is a bad debating style
to send your correspondents off to do reading. if you have
something of value to say, then please say it yourself.
I guess you do not read hobby print magazine or had a contact with an
Elecraft user.
Elecraft (and its concept) of building and reparing your won equipment has
been widely covered in amateur print magazines in Europe, Far East and US.

Debating is not the point and usenet is not the forum for true debate.
Compare your stated specifications and criteria to the Elecraft K2 design
team's criteria and specs --- you shoudl discover that it meets the majority
of your stated criteria.

gb
"Airy R. Bean" wrote in message
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.....is that we club together and conceive of a design
for an HF transceiver that could form the basis of the
station of any budding Radio Ham.

We wouldn't need any facilities other than were present in,
say, the KW2000 of 35 years ago (apart from greater than
200 kHz coverage on each band!)

None of the CBer's facilities such as scanners, memories,
CAT interfaces, CTCSS and the like are necessary.

I suggest that we consider a DSP approach for all the
baseband mod and demod, and then phasing techniques
for translating into the various bands.

A power output of 5W will be more than sufficient for
any self-respecting _REAL_ Radio Hams - it is only
CBers and CBers-Masquerading-As-Radio-Hams who
need to work with BBC levels of signal strength.

Such a project could be what we need to capture the
interest of newcomers who would not then be sidetracked
into the CB-like purchasing of brand-new rigs from the
shelves of emporia, and, having, constructed their own
rigs, would feel competent to maintain those rigs, unlike
those who send them back to the emporia and thus show
themselves as closet CBers.

We _COULD_ take a lead in this NG!


... and your thoughts on the existing Elecraft K2 (which meetings you
power
output criteria), which has almost 5,000 kits of this model now sold
worldwide?
http://www.elecraft.com/

Do you desire to build upon this kit and building experience (referred to
as
"K3" designs among Elecraft builders) by adding additional features you
have
mentioned?

gb

Hmm..... only 6 replies and only one in anything that
might be construed as a positive response, and that
one was pretty defeatist.

Perhaps Ham Radio has degenerated in to becoming an offshoot
of CB Radio in Yankland as well as in Britland?

"Airy R. Bean" wrote in message
...
.....is that we club together and conceive of a design
for an HF transceiver that could form the basis of the
station of any budding Radio Ham.

We wouldn't need any facilities other than were present in,
say, the KW2000 of 35 years ago (apart from greater than
200 kHz coverage on each band!)

"Airy R.Bean" wrote in message
...
Hmm..... only 6 replies and only one in anything that
might be construed as a positive response, and that
one was pretty defeatist.

Perhaps Ham Radio has degenerated in to becoming an offshoot
of CB Radio in Yankland as well as in Britland?

The alternate conclusion of course, might well be simply that your fame
preceeds you Airhead. In truth, if you only read your own National magazine
that you profess so much dislike for, you would find that they recently
carried for some 20 months a construction article having every feature you
have supposedly considered. Done by amateurs for amateurs and surpassing in
most features, anything offered commercially at any price.

You're very good Airhead, you are the only one on any newsgroup that I
subscribe to that can raise my blood pressure just by reading your byline.
Fortunately, I am blessed with low blood pressure and can stand it, but to
absolutely preclude any possible ill side effects, you are now entering my
kill file zone. Too bad God made so many more horses asses than he did
horses.

W4ZCB

"Harold E. Johnson" wrote in message
news:iCyEd.84797$k25.40602@attbi_s53...

"Airy R.Bean" wrote in message
...
Hmm..... only 6 replies and only one in anything that
might be construed as a positive response, and that
one was pretty defeatist.

Perhaps Ham Radio has degenerated in to becoming an offshoot
of CB Radio in Yankland as well as in Britland?

The alternate conclusion of course, might well be simply that your fame
preceeds you Airhead. In truth, if you only read your own National
magazine
that you profess so much dislike for, you would find that they recently
carried for some 20 months a construction article having every feature you
have supposedly considered. Done by amateurs for amateurs and surpassing
in
most features, anything offered commercially at any price.

You're very good Airhead, you are the only one on any newsgroup that I
subscribe to that can raise my blood pressure just by reading your byline.
Fortunately, I am blessed with low blood pressure and can stand it, but to
absolutely preclude any possible ill side effects, you are now entering my
kill file zone. Too bad God made so many more horses asses than he did
horses.


Brilliant Harold, no one can dress an insult up like an American. I love
it!

ROTFLMAO !

--
Brian Reay
www.g8osn.org.uk
www.amateurradiotraining.org.uk
FP#898

A rather silly and childish broadcast (CB) from you.

Grow up, Harold.

Stupid boy.

"Harold E. Johnson" wrote in message
news:iCyEd.84797$k25.40602@attbi_s53...
"Airy R.Bean" wrote in message
...
Hmm..... only 6 replies and only one in anything that
might be construed as a positive response, and that
one was pretty defeatist.
Perhaps Ham Radio has degenerated in to becoming an offshoot
of CB Radio in Yankland as well as in Britland?
The alternate conclusion of course, might well be simply that your fame
preceeds you Airhead. In truth, if you only read your own National
magazine
that you profess so much dislike for, you would find that they recently
carried for some 20 months a construction article having every feature you
have supposedly considered. Done by amateurs for amateurs and surpassing
in
most features, anything offered commercially at any price.
You're very good Airhead, you are the only one on any newsgroup that I
subscribe to that can raise my blood pressure just by reading your byline.
Fortunately, I am blessed with low blood pressure and can stand it, but to
absolutely preclude any possible ill side effects, you are now entering my
kill file zone. Too bad God made so many more horses asses than he did
horses.

That Mr.Reay rejoices at insults but not at
technical proposals serves to illustrate once again
that nobody who holds, or who has ever held, a licence
issued under the gangrenous degeneration that is the
M3/CB Fools' Licence scheme will _EVER_ make it
into the ranks of _REAL_ Radio Hams with their gentlemanly
traditions.

"Brian Reay" wrote in message
...
Brilliant Harold, no one can dress an insult up like an American. I love
it!
ROTFLMAO !