On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 13:46:17 -0800, Roy Lewallen
wrote:

Cecil Moore wrote:
Roy Lewallen wrote:

Cecil Moore wrote:

The IEEE Spectrum reports that cell phone use for ten years
results in a benign tumor that causes hearing loss.


Which issue was that? I'd like to read the article.


December 2004, page 20: "Cellphones Linked To Brain Tumors"
"No tumors were associated with less than 10 years of
cellphone use." There will be about 50 million people with
10 years of cellphone use in 1907. I won't be one of them.

Thanks. Here's what the article really said:

"Researchers at the Karolinska Institute of Environmental Medicine, in
Stockholm, Sweden, have found an association between long-term cellphone
use and a rare, benign tumor, causing concern among radiation
specialists and epidemiologists, though they emphasize that the results
haven't been replicated yet. Scientists now eagerly await results from
other studies under way around the world.

*Snip*
Roy Lewallen, W7EL

Just curious, did the study take into account putting vinyl phone
cases against skin, being warmed up & subsequently out-gassing
carcinogens that were then absorbed through the skin & into the blood
stream???

Enquiring Minds Want to Know-

Howard.


p.s.- Just what are "double the odds" for this "rare" cancer? Any
chance they're within the statistical noise floor?? EMWtK.

H.E.

"Cecil Moore" wrote in message
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I assume you mean deaf? Few people have used cell phones
for ten years already.

You in the USA already? ;-)

Already I have used an already mobile phone for well over ten years already.
(not too sure how to punctuate that in the USA vernacular) ;-)
I see no signs of ill health in either myself, or my daughter already. We
both went with Orange about the same time. ( A British mobile phone network)
Now Orange work at about 1.8 Gig? At that time, that was about the highest
frequency phone system that was going. Now we have systems that work at 3
gigabyte? already. Or do they operate at even higher frequencies already?
I'm not to sure already.

Right! I'm off to bed already. ;-)

Dave

"Dave" wrote in message
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"Cecil Moore" wrote in message
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I assume you mean deaf? Few people have used cell phones
for ten years already.

You in the USA already? ;-)

Already I have used an already mobile phone for well over ten years
already.
(not too sure how to punctuate that in the USA vernacular) ;-)
I see no signs of ill health in either myself, or my daughter already. We
both went with Orange about the same time. ( A British mobile phone
network)

Isn't Orange an offshoot of Hutchinsion Telecom which was, I think, from
Hong Kong?

Now Orange work at about 1.8 Gig? At that time, that was about the highest
frequency phone system that was going. Now we have systems that work at 3
gigabyte? already. Or do they operate at even higher frequencies already?
I'm not to sure already.

Right! I'm off to bed already. ;-)

Actually Dave, Cecil's use of "already" was quite appropriate. Just
because it may not be 'our' English doesn't make it incorrect- for good or
ill US and UK English are diverging. Languages change. In fact, there is
some evidence the US English is nearer to old English than current UK usage.

--
Brian Reay
www.g8osn.org.uk
www.amateurradiotraining.org.uk
FP#898

"Howard Eisenhauer" wrote in message
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Just curious, did the study take into account putting vinyl phone
cases against skin, being warmed up & subsequently out-gassing
carcinogens that were then absorbed through the skin & into the blood
stream???

Enquiring Minds Want to Know-


Not to mention using the MP3 or Radio features with the volume too high. Or
RSI in the thumbs due to over texting.

Even worse, terminal boredom watching phone geeks comparing features. What
is wrong with a basic phone?
Some things are best simple:

Mobilephones (Proud owner of a Nokia 3310.)
Watches ( I don't even like quartz watches, give me a mechanical automatic
any day.)
Razors (why do people like electric razors?)
Toothbrushes (electric toothes, I ask you).

--
Brian Reay
www.g8osn.org.uk
www.amateurradiotraining.org.uk
FP#898

It found that people who used cellphones for more than 10 years doubled
their risk of developing the tumor, a benign condition affecting one in
100 000 people. . ."

I bet that driving a car to work every day raises the likelihood of a
multiude of serious health illnesses by an order of magnitude, and those
risks are a lot greater than 1 in 100,000 to begin with!

A lot people don't seem to reailze that lifestyle choices (where you live,
what you eat, etc.) have a vastly greater influence on their likelihood of
coming down with some dreaded disease than most forms of new technology
do...

(Although I am all for continuing research so that appropriate levels for
polluting gases, EM radiation emissions, etc. can be set... but of course
'the appropriate level' is at least as much if not more a political problem
than a technical problem.)

"Brian Reay" wrote in message
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Some things are best simple:

Mobilephones (Proud owner of a Nokia 3310.)

I'm sold on wireless Internet connectivity, sorry. WiFi/WiMax's coverage is
still a drop in the bucket compared to WCDMA/GPRS/EDGE coverage.

Watches ( I don't even like quartz watches, give me a mechanical automatic
any day.)

I like mechnical watches, but there's something to be said for dual time
zones, chronographs, count down alarms, etc. too!

Razors (why do people like electric razors?)

Mainly laziness; the last thing I want to do when I'm still groggy in the
morning is deal with changing a double-edged razor blade.

Toothbrushes (electric toothes, I ask you).

I'd speculate that _most_ people do a better job of cleaning with an
electric toothbrush than with a 'manual...'

"Joel Kolstad" wrote in message
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"Brian Reay" wrote in message
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Some things are best simple:

Mobilephones (Proud owner of a Nokia 3310.)

I'm sold on wireless Internet connectivity, sorry. WiFi/WiMax's coverage
is
still a drop in the bucket compared to WCDMA/GPRS/EDGE coverage.

Must be a big phone just to get the label on it ;-)

Watches ( I don't even like quartz watches, give me a mechanical
automatic
any day.)

I like mechnical watches, but there's something to be said for dual time
zones, chronographs, count down alarms, etc. too!

I can't imagine how I live without then. Nice mechanical hands that move, a
nice tick, and not having to wind it up. If cars were as reliable as a
Rolex, garages would be out of business.


Razors (why do people like electric razors?)

Mainly laziness; the last thing I want to do when I'm still groggy in the
morning is deal with changing a double-edged razor blade.

Don't you have those snazzy clip in dual (or even triple) bladed beasts. Do
them in the dark.

Plus, a proper wet shave lasts all day. An electric tickle about 4 hours.

Toothbrushes (electric toothes, I ask you).

I'd speculate that _most_ people do a better job of cleaning with an
electric toothbrush than with a 'manual...'

I've heard that before. However, there is also the case for 'up and down'
motion (no innuendo intended) and electric toothbrushes are rotary.
--
Brian Reay
www.g8osn.org.uk
www.amateurradiotraining.org.uk
FP#898

Dave wrote:

We
both went with Orange about the same time. ( A British mobile phone network)


Eh? Orange is almost wholly owned by France Telecom. Hardly British!!


--
Chris

In article , Spike
writes
On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 21:16:01 +0000, Prometheus
wrote:

...... in fact give the large proportion of the
population using such devices the stats would indicate some tumours in
less than ten years. Where are they?

Firstly, you have to ask yourself what is meant by 'ten years of use'.

Does it mean

- owning one for ten tears?
- having it switched on for ten years?
- using it for x hours a day for ten years?

The meaning of 'ten years' hasn't been made clear so far, at least on
this ng.

True, owning for ten years but never switching on can be no worse then
any other lump of plastic and metal. Having it switched on but not
making any calls is also of minimal risk. Using for X hours per day
might be meaningful but if X is not defined it is of little value, we
also need to know what proportion of users suffer adverse effect. If the
proportion is little different to that in non-mobile phone users then
use of mobile phones can not be considered significant.

Then you need to take into account of the mechanics of tumour
initiation and development. There are thought to be five or six events
in the initiation and growth of a tumour to the stage where it can be
clinically diagnosed. Only one of these is associated with the
causative factor, which will have its own rate of effectiveness, and
so will each of the remaining steps.

Again information not published.

Unless the statistics have been very carefully researched and
manipulated, and they may well have been, the numbers reported should
be treated with some caution....

Give the lack of atestable figures I prefer distrust to caution.
--
Ian G8ILZ

In article , Brian Reay
writes
Even worse, terminal boredom watching phone geeks comparing features.

An anthropomorphic study of the lesser witted geek should be
interesting, one must ask is the species viable?

What
is wrong with a basic phone?

Unless you need the extra features, nothing. I have a digital camera
which is much better than any in a phone, my pocket radio is better than
any phone, my handheld computer is better than any phone. My mobile
phone is smaller than any phone containing "feature" I seldom want to
carry around.

Some things are best simple:

However not automatically so.

Mobilephones (Proud owner of a Nokia 3310.)

Depends if you NEED more than speech.

Watches ( I don't even like quartz watches, give me a mechanical
automatic
any day.)

My analogue quarts is more rugged and accurate but I do have to change
the battery every three years so I do have some sympathy for a
mechanical automatic.

Razors (why do people like electric razors?)

Perhaps they find the vibration of an electric shaver to be auto-erotic,
I prefer the closer shave obtained with a real razor.

Toothbrushes (electric toothes, I ask you).

Depends on the type; the reciprocating rotary head are more effective
than an ordinary brush, the vibrating etc. are a waste of time.

I take an engineering approach and select equipment to be effective
rather than simply rejecting anything that is not traditional (otherwise
you would have to reject all phones and use runners).

--
Ian G8ILZ