I received the following E-mail from Paul Swart ) at
Starnet Communications about a special license fee for their X-Win32 client
software for running Linux X-Window desktop, and apps, remotely over the
Internet or a LAN connection. I would think there would be some Hams who
would be interested in contacting Paul about his proposal.

http://www.starnet.com/products/

I've tried the demo out using the Gnome desktop under Fedora Core 3 and it's
a really slick bit of work.

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"How many of these non-commercial Ham users would you say could use the
X-Win32 X server?

I'm thinking about setting up some kind of special (low-cost) license
program exclusively for this kind of use by Ham radio operators so cost
would not be any barrier. Just like we're selling lots of classroom/lab
licenses to schools at around $30. The revenue basically supports our cost
of the program, including the engineering and tech support we provide to
these users. I'm sure you have ways to make this known to others in your Ham
community so that the volume would justify putting the program in place."

Let me now if I'm onto something or whether we're talking about a handful of
people in the Ham radio community that could use our software.
__________________________________________________ ___________


--
Leland C. Scott
KC8LDO

Wireless Network
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With so much GPL-ware out there, why bother?

Let the proprietary people stick to writing Windows software and leave us
alone.

--
Gregg "t3h g33k"
http://geek.scorpiorising.ca
*Ratings are for transistors, tubes have guidelines*

On 2005-02-15, Leland C. Scott wrote:
I received the following E-mail from Paul Swart ) at
Starnet Communications about a special license fee for their X-Win32 client
software for running Linux X-Window desktop, and apps, remotely over the
Internet or a LAN connection. I would think there would be some Hams who
would be interested in contacting Paul about his proposal.

http://www.starnet.com/products/

I've tried the demo out using the Gnome desktop under Fedora Core 3 and it's
a really slick bit of work.


I can doo this all for free.. I just export my xsession from one linux
machine to another linux machine.

I can see no advantage to running an exported xsession from a *nix machine
to a windows desktop.

--
Alex / AB2RC
Linux is user friendly, however it is not idiot friendly

"Gregg" wrote in message
news:VAgQd.47616$gA4.8227@edtnps89...
With so much GPL-ware out there, why bother?

Just because plenty of people are willing to give away software for free
(which is great and should certainly be encouraged) doesn't imply that 'pay'
software can't be useful and well worth the money. There are many examples
of software out there where the free stuff still doesn't come close to
containing the functionality of the pay versions... although of course there
are also plenty of examples where the free stuff is as good or better than
the pay stuff!

On 15/02/2005 7:57 AM, AB2RC wrote:
On 2005-02-15, Leland C. Scott wrote:

I received the following E-mail from Paul Swart ) at
Starnet Communications about a special license fee for their X-Win32 client
software for running Linux X-Window desktop, and apps, remotely over the
Internet or a LAN connection. I would think there would be some Hams who
would be interested in contacting Paul about his proposal.

http://www.starnet.com/products/

I've tried the demo out using the Gnome desktop under Fedora Core 3 and it's
a really slick bit of work.

I can doo this all for free.. I just export my xsession from one linux
machine to another linux machine.

I can see no advantage to running an exported xsession from a *nix machine
to a windows desktop.

*shrug* It is certainly a handy thing to be able to do. With all the
amateur radio software available to Win32 users, it makes sense for many
to run Windows. Having the option of running X apps from a headless
server just adds more value to both systems, and is a great way to
extend the usefulness of your network.

The only problem I've run into is that these are X emulators. This
means some apps will behave strangely, or not work at all, when run in
this environment. Java Swing/AWT apps are notorious for this
(InstallAnywhere, I'm looking in your direction.)

*nix-based operating systems like Linux, *BSD and Mac OS X can benefit
from running a local X server, with the added benefit that these are
"real" X servers, allowing problematic Java apps to run.

--
clvrmnky

Heat up and unmunge email to reply.

"AB2RC" wrote in message
...
On 2005-02-15, Leland C. Scott wrote:
I received the following E-mail from Paul Swart ) at
Starnet Communications about a special license fee for their X-Win32
client
software for running Linux X-Window desktop, and apps, remotely over the
Internet or a LAN connection. I would think there would be some Hams who
would be interested in contacting Paul about his proposal.

http://www.starnet.com/products/

I've tried the demo out using the Gnome desktop under Fedora Core 3 and
it's
a really slick bit of work.


I can doo this all for free.. I just export my xsession from one linux
machine to another linux machine.

Yeah, I know about that except I don't have another Linux box to use.


I can see no advantage to running an exported xsession from a *nix machine
to a windows desktop.

Except when that is all you have access to use. I have a company laptop,
which I can't install Linux on, and is setup for Win 2K so I don't have much
choice. I'm limited in what I can carry out in the field so I don't have the
option to get another laptop, which the company won't install their software
on for me to use. And I'm not lugging around two laptops. Same goes for my
office desktop computer too, only company approved major software apps,
small utilities they don't mind so much.


--
Leland C. Scott
KC8LDO

Wireless Network
Mobile computing
on the go brought
to you by Micro$oft

"clvrmnky" wrote in message
...
users, it makes sense for many
to run Windows.

In general that is what Micro$oft is hoping to have happen, if not already.
Then Micro$oft will begin moving to a "subscription" based licensing model.
They will have to do this when the market reaches saturation and new
software sales begin dropping. They will then use the new subscription based
licensing model to keep their revenue stream going if not increase it. At
that time GPL based software will be much more appealing.
--
Leland C. Scott
KC8LDO

Wireless Network
Mobile computing
on the go brought
to you by Micro$oft

"Leland C. Scott" wrote in message
...

I can see no advantage to running an exported xsession from a *nix
machine
to a windows desktop.

Except when that is all you have access to use. I have a company laptop,

Well, there is a lot more than that. Most of us interact from time to time
with other people, and it's a Windoze/Office world out there. Sorry, that's
the way it is. You can wish all you want, and you can prattle on about how
much better open source stuff is, but the real world is Windoze/Office.
Most of us don't have the luxury of hiding in our hole and pretending that
the outside world doesn't exist.

Even if we can afford/control another box, most of us also have physical
space limitations. I only have room for just so many keyboards on my desk,
and it is a major pain in the butt to have to walk around to another desk to
get to the Linux console. (Yeah, I probably have more space than most).

I run X sessions from Cygwin on a couple of Windoze machines, and it works
quite well. Earlier in the thread there was a mention about windows
behaving weird under Windows, but I haven't seen that. Indeed, if the X
implementation is anywhere close to correct, you shouldn't see that.

But it is a huge convenience to have both the Linux *and* Windoze tools at
my fingertips.

...

If cygwin doesn't cut it, there is an application called vmware that
lets you create virtual machines on a single box.

I've seen one instance where an application running on a virtual machine
with win2k installed (physical machine was linux) actually ran faster on
the virtual machine than it did with win2k installed on the physical
machine. Doesn't make much sense, but there ya go.

virtual machines let you experiment with all kinds of OS stuff without
trashing a "production" machine. I've had virtual machines with win2k,
redhat 7.3, redhat 9, solaris x86 all on one box without shutting down
the native OS (which happened to be mac OS).

The biggest difference between virtual machines and dual boot is that
you can have 'em both running at the same time.

-j

Like Joe wrote, you CAN dual boot.
I run a quad boot: 98se, w2k, xp & rh9..for old ham apps, general
use, crashing, and complicating my life...all in that order!


On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 07:40:09 -0500, "xpyttl"
wrote:

"Leland C. Scott" wrote in message
...

I can see no advantage to running an exported xsession from a *nix
machine
to a windows desktop.

Except when that is all you have access to use. I have a company laptop,

Well, there is a lot more than that. Most of us interact from time to time
with other people, and it's a Windoze/Office world out there. Sorry, that's
the way it is. You can wish all you want, and you can prattle on about how
much better open source stuff is, but the real world is Windoze/Office.
Most of us don't have the luxury of hiding in our hole and pretending that
the outside world doesn't exist.

Even if we can afford/control another box, most of us also have physical
space limitations. I only have room for just so many keyboards on my desk,
and it is a major pain in the butt to have to walk around to another desk to
get to the Linux console. (Yeah, I probably have more space than most).

I run X sessions from Cygwin on a couple of Windoze machines, and it works
quite well. Earlier in the thread there was a mention about windows
behaving weird under Windows, but I haven't seen that. Indeed, if the X
implementation is anywhere close to correct, you shouldn't see that.

But it is a huge convenience to have both the Linux *and* Windoze tools at
my fingertips.

..