As long as they can keep getting paid, they'll keep doing it. It's like
the war on drugs - it's like stopping the tide.

Maybe there should be a law against buying things from spammers.

And a law against knowingly providing credit card, banking, or Internet (web
hosting, email) services to spammers.

Especially the last of these.

Rich Grise wrote:

The main problem is the morons that comprise the 4 percent that actually
buy crap from the spammers.

FOUR PERCENT! That's a phenomenal return, even for a pre-qualified
mailing list.

As long as they can keep getting paid, they'll keep doing it. It's like
the war on drugs - it's like stopping the tide.

Sigh.
Rich

We should just declare all spammers as terrorist and turn the world's
military loose on them. They obviously use "Weapons of Massive
Disruption"!

--
Beware of those who post from srvinet.com!

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

"Rich Grise" wrote in message
news
On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 05:53:50 -0800, Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun, the
Dark
"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message

The bandwidth problem here is getting worse. If you don't go
broadband you might as well give up accessing the net until
midnight.
Also, newer web design software is so bloated some servers crawl to
the
point they don't have the capacity or bandwidth to do their job.

Must've been sht Spam Queen. Bitch.
http://spam.surferbeware.com/spam-spam-queen.htm

The main problem is the morons that comprise the 4 percent that
actually
buy crap from the spammers.

FOUR PERCENT! That's a phenomenal return, even for a pre-qualified
mailing list.

As long as they can keep getting paid, they'll keep doing it. It's
like
the war on drugs - it's like stopping the tide.

Sigh.
Rich

Make everyone take the Boulder Pledge.

On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 21:39:33 -0800, Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun, the Dark

Make everyone take the Boulder Pledge.

WTF "Boulder Pledge?"

Tks,
R

On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 20:52:20 -0500, the renowned "mc"
wrote:


"Tim Shoppa" wrote in message
roups.com...

So I use the search on DigiKey,
check the price, then search by
the exact part number on
Mouser to see if the price is
much lower.

I'd feel guilty doing that, but I cannot fault you for being thrifty
:-)

Why feel guilty for getting competitive bids? It's standard practice.

Bugs me that they don't let you sort by price when you do a search.
Obviously an intentional omission.


Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"
Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com
Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com

On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 22:40:42 -0500, mc wrote:


As long as they can keep getting paid, they'll keep doing it. It's like
the war on drugs - it's like stopping the tide.

Maybe there should be a law against buying things from spammers.

And a law against knowingly providing credit card, banking, or Internet (web
hosting, email) services to spammers.

Especially the last of these.

There already are, if not laws, at least terms of service that prohibit
sending spam - in the US. They don't have any effect on the spammers in,
say, Elbonia, however. This is why I'm in favor of some kind of central
"spammer-list", where people can download the week's list of what IPs
should be just dropped at the firewall. I have a "Blacklist" now that's
8585 entries long. Would you like me to post it?

I don't actually need it, though, since I don't go online with Windoze
any more, and I don't answer spam. It's kinda weird, though, to get
empty popups. ;-) (the sponsoring page can have a little popup script,
that opens a second window, and tries to show a page from a blacklisted
spammer.)

Thanks,
Rich

In (rec.radio.amateur.homebrew), Rich Grise wrote:
On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 21:39:33 -0800, Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun, the Dark

Make everyone take the Boulder Pledge.

WTF "Boulder Pledge?"

Google can be _your_ friend, too.

"Under no circumstances will I ever purchase anything offered to me
as the result of an unsolicited e-mail message. Nor will I forward
chain letters, petitions, mass mailings, or virus warnings to large
numbers of others. This is my contribution to the survival of the
online community."

http://www.panix.com/~tbetz/boulder.shtml

--
Mike Andrews, W5EGO

Tired old sysadmin

"mc" wrote in message
...

As long as they can keep getting paid, they'll keep doing it. It's
like
the war on drugs - it's like stopping the tide.

Maybe there should be a law against buying things from spammers.

Well, WTF? There's already a law against spamming, and it doesn't do
any good. Why would _you_ think your law would do any better????

And a law against knowingly providing credit card, banking, or
Internet (web
hosting, email) services to spammers.

Especially the last of these.

Well, every ISP or ASP has a clause against spamming in their policy.
But the problem is they ignore it, and sign 'pink' contracts with
spammers. The worst offender by far is UUNet - part of MCI (was
Worldcom) See www.spamhaus.org.

One big problem is that no one wants to bite the hand that feeds them.
The UUNet system supplies connectivity to so many ISPs - it's
everywhere - that disabling it would put a serious dent in the
connectivity in the U.S. Like, 800 pound gorillas tend to get their
way, don'tcha know. :-O

Speaking of connectivity. Yesterday I was walking down the street and
noticed the manhole covers had the XO ground off, and replaced by Level
3. The FO companies spent zillions of dollars putting all that FO in
the ground, and they couldn't get enough of it leased to pay the loans.
So the only alternatives were either bankruptcy or merger. Perhaps this
is why the ISPs are too lenient on letting the spammers keep on
spamming. Money talks, and big money talks loudly. :-/

Wow. I just watched Sunday Morning (CBS). They had a piece on the guy
who invented the intermittent windshield wipers. Turned out he
eventually won $20 million from Chyrsler and $10 million from Ford for
stealing his idea, but ended up paying most of it to the lawyers. For
those who don't know, it's a SCR and a few other electronic parts that
trigger the W-W intermittently.

One thing is certain: the world would be _much_ better off if the LEAs
would enforce the existing laws. That sentence implies that they are
not being enforced at all. Well, we get an occasional sensational
headline that says, "Spammer Convicted"
(http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,118493,00.asp).
But they say there are only a couple hundred spammers that are
reponsible for most of the spam; if the FTC would simply crack down on a
few score, or even a few dozen, it would put a serious dent in the spam
traffic. I'm not holding my breath, tho.

Someone should start a donation fund to pay for law enforcement
personnel to track down, arrest and prosecute spammers. I heard that
Microsoft and some other agency have a reward out for spammers. If
people would just put up the money, the spammers could be decimated.

"Rich Grise" wrote in message
news
On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 22:40:42 -0500, mc wrote:


As long as they can keep getting paid, they'll keep doing it. It's
like
the war on drugs - it's like stopping the tide.

Maybe there should be a law against buying things from spammers.

And a law against knowingly providing credit card, banking, or
Internet (web
hosting, email) services to spammers.

Especially the last of these.

There already are, if not laws, at least terms of service that
prohibit
sending spam - in the US. They don't have any effect on the spammers
in,
say, Elbonia, however.

The spammers are here, in the U.S. The laws don't have much of an
effect on them, either.

This is why I'm in favor of some kind of central "spammer-list",

That's already being done. It's called the SBL. www.spamhaus.org There
are many others, too. Been that way for many years.

where people can download the week's list of what IPs
should be just dropped at the firewall. I have a "Blacklist" now
that's
8585 entries long. Would you like me to post it?

No, your list isn't a current list; you have to delete the
non-functioning records from the list, too.

[snip]
Thanks,
Rich

"Mike Andrews" wrote in message
...
In
(rec.radio.amateur.homebrew), Rich Grise wrote:
On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 21:39:33 -0800, Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun, the
Dark

Make everyone take the Boulder Pledge.

WTF "Boulder Pledge?"

Google can be _your_ friend, too.

"Under no circumstances will I ever purchase anything offered to me
as the result of an unsolicited e-mail message. Nor will I forward
chain letters, petitions, mass mailings, or virus warnings to large
numbers of others. This is my contribution to the survival of the
online community."

http://www.panix.com/~tbetz/boulder.shtml

--
Mike Andrews, W5EGO

Tired old sysadmin

Thank you. And thank you, Roger Ebert. ;-)

(Watch him and Roeper tonight, Sunday, on ABC.)