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Old October 26th 05, 11:08 PM
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I want to thank Tom Bruhns for sending me some corrections to my rather
outdated information about NPO capacitors. First, they're no longer
being made as a sandwich of two ceramic types as I said, but with a
single ceramic. Second, they're now available in quite large values --
Tom points out that AVX has them up to 0.1 uF in 1812 SMT size. Finally,
here's some information Tom sent from an AVX data sheet that gives some
additional quantitative information about the characteristics of these
parts:

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C0G (NP0) is the most popular formulation of the “temperature-
compensating,” EIA Class I ceramic materials. Modern
C0G (NP0) formulations contain neodymium, samarium and
other rare earth oxides.
C0G (NP0) ceramics offer one of the most stable capacitor
dielectrics available. Capacitance change with temperature
is 0 ±30ppm/°C which is less than ±0.3% Δ C from -55°C
to +125°C. Capacitance drift or hysteresis for C0G (NP0)
ceramics is negligible at less than ±0.05% versus up to
±2% for films. Typical capacitance change with life is less
than ±0.1% for C0G (NP0), one-fifth that shown by most
other dielectrics. C0G (NP0) formulations show no aging
characteristics.
The C0G (NP0) formulation usually has a “Q” in excess
of 1000 and shows little capacitance or “Q” changes with
frequency. Their dielectric absorption is typically less than
0.6% which is similar to mica and most films.

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As you can see from the characteristics, modern NPO ceramic capacitors
can be used for very demanding applications, and are often the best choice.

Roy Lewallen, W7EL

Roy Lewallen wrote:

. . .

4. NPO. (Common type is C0G.) These are made from a sandwich of two
temperature compensating types with equal and opposite coefficients.
They have excellent Q and are very stable. They're good for use in
resonant circuits including oscillator tanks, high-Q filters, and other
demanding applications. Q can be very good. A common type is C0G, which
has a temperature coefficient of 0 +/-30 ppm/C.

NPO capacitors are substantially larger than "temperture stable" types,
and much larger than hi-k types. You won't typically find them in large
values.

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Old November 2nd 05, 03:19 PM
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Default High Q caps for 60 Khz loop antenna?

Tnx Roy for the factual info below.

Frank GM0CSZ / KN6WH
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You shouldn't lump "ceramic cap" into a single group and assume it has one
set of characteristics. There are many types of ceramic capacitors, with
widely varying characteristics. The four most common groups a

1. Hi-K. These are made with a class of ceramic having a very high
dielectric constant. This results in physically small capacitors which are
excellent for many RF applications such as bypassing. Their small physical
size results in a high self resonant frequency for a given capacitance.
The tradeoff is instability in nearly every other respect. They have a
very high temperature coefficient, are sensitive to humidity and physical
stress, and the capacitance varies with frequency and applied voltage. A
common type is Z5U, which has a specified maximum capacitance change of
+22 - 56% over the temperature range of +10 to +85 C.

2. "Temperature stable". These are made with ceramic which has
considerably lower dielectric constant than used for the hi-k types.
Consequently, they're larger for the same capacitance. Their temperature
coefficient is much lower, and they're much less sensitive to other
factors. They're good for many general purpose uses such as low- to
moderate-Q filters and resonant circuits, coupling, and so forth. Q can be
quite good. A common type is X7R, which has a specified maximum
capacitance change of +/- 15% over the temperature range of -55 to +125 C.

3. Temperature compensating. These are much larger yet, being made from
ceramics with a low and controlled temperature coefficient. They're
typically very stable with respect to voltage, frequency, mechanical
stress, and humidity. A common type is P2G (N150), which has a temperature
coefficient of -150 +/-30 ppm/C.

4. NPO. (Common type is C0G.) These are made from a sandwich of two
temperature compensating types with equal and opposite coefficients. They
have excellent Q and are very stable. They're good for use in resonant
circuits including oscillator tanks, high-Q filters, and other demanding
applications. Q can be very good. A common type is C0G, which has a
temperature coefficient of 0 +/-30 ppm/C.

NPO capacitors are substantially larger than "temperture stable" types,
and much larger than hi-k types. You won't typically find them in large
values.

Roy Lewallen, W7EL



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Old November 5th 05, 12:37 AM
 
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Default High Q caps for 60 Khz loop antenna?

Yep, a bunch of NPO in parallel is a good way to go. Polystyrene is
nice too. BTW you can get some very impressive amounts of capacitance
out of multilayer ceramic capacitors.

73
NEO

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