what's up with eham? haven't been able to hit the
site for several days from here in the dallas area?

larry
kd5foy

In article ,
larry d clark wrote:

what's up with eham? haven't been able to hit the
site for several days from here in the dallas area?

I don't know the underlying cause, but I do see the same outage here.
The server for "eham.net" doesn't respond to pings, although the two
machines with immediately-adjacent IP addresses do.

Looks as if the server's off the air.

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Dave Platt AE6EO
Hosting the Jade Warrior home page: http://www.radagast.org/jade-warrior
I do _not_ wish to receive unsolicited commercial email, and I will
boycott any company which has the gall to send me such ads!

Dave Platt wrote:

Looks as if the server's off the air.

Couldn't happen to nicer people in my opinion. When I complained that they
had Google ads on their site which directly supported BPL, the owner of the
site told me that BPL was an INTERNET technology and since his site was
RADIO related, it wasn't his concern.

He also said that without Google ads, he could not keep the site alive,
so he choose Google and BPL.

Geoff.


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IL Voice: (07)-7424-1667 IL Fax: 972-2-648-1443 U.S. Voice: 1-215-821-1838
Visit my 'blog at http://geoffstechno.livejournal.com/

In article ,
(known to some as Geoffrey S. Mendelson) scribed...

Dave Platt wrote:

Looks as if the server's off the air.

Couldn't happen to nicer people in my opinion. When I complained that they
had Google ads on their site which directly supported BPL, the owner of the
site told me that BPL was an INTERNET technology and since his site was
RADIO related, it wasn't his concern.

boggle

Sheesh... If the site comes back up, I'm yanking my account. I must
not have seen the ads thanks to my ad blockers...

He also said that without Google ads, he could not keep the site alive,
so he choose Google and BPL.

Fooey. There have to be other ads he can have up there without
supporting a spectrum-destructive technology.


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(Known to some as Bruce Lane, KC7GR)
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"Salvadore Dali's computer has surreal ports..."

On 2006-05-24, Dave Platt wrote:

I don't know the underlying cause, but I do see the same outage here.
The server for "eham.net" doesn't respond to pings, although the two
machines with immediately-adjacent IP addresses do.

I did get through yesterday morning, but incredibly slow. Now (Wed
night), I'm getting "The connection was refused when attempting to
contact www.eham.net", despite successful pings to server. This
sometimes due to max number of connections has been reached.

More info:

http://toolbar.netcraft.com/site_rep...//www.eham.net

nb

"Dr. Anton T. Squeegee" wrote in message
.. .
In article ,
(known to some as Geoffrey S. Mendelson) scribed...

Dave Platt wrote:

Looks as if the server's off the air.

Couldn't happen to nicer people in my opinion. When I complained that
they
had Google ads on their site which directly supported BPL, the owner of
the
site told me that BPL was an INTERNET technology and since his site was
RADIO related, it wasn't his concern.

boggle

Sheesh... If the site comes back up, I'm yanking my account. I must
not have seen the ads thanks to my ad blockers...

He also said that without Google ads, he could not keep the site alive,
so he choose Google and BPL.

Fooey. There have to be other ads he can have up there without
supporting a spectrum-destructive technology.



The website owner doesn't choose the ads to appear, Google does that
automatically, based on keywords.
But Google adSense has a filter option to trash any undesired ad. A simple
matter to put the "offending" ad in the filter list.

Eham has been a valuable resource for hams. With the high cost of running a
Mega Site such as eham, I suggest we support the site, otherwise it may go
away.

You will notice a lot of the Ham Megasites are using Google AdSense. Why?
It is bloody expensive to run a megasite. When the site gets popular, a
"Normal" provider will add outrageous costs for excess bandwidth, forcing a
web master to get a server. Servers ain't cheap. There are other costs as
well, main provider, link checkers, domain name costs, computer maintenance,
anti-virus checkers, software, etc.This says nothing about the Web Master's
labor to keep the site running. Many of the mega sites are free - such a
deal.

AND - you buy a magazine -- full of ads, Movie rental - full of ads, cable
TV - full of ads, etc.
I suspect the ads income on Mega Sites don't come near the covering the cost
of running a Mega Site. Even if it did, so what - you don't have to click on
the ads or read them. Can't do that with magazines (;-)

The BPL ads -- maybe run your own Anti-BPL ad Huh

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CL -- I doubt, therefore I might be !

Caveat Lector wrote:
The BPL ads -- maybe run your own Anti-BPL ad Huh

You miss the point.

ALL Google ads are BPL adds. Google uses the money they get from Adsense
to finance BPL networks. That's right, Google invested a lot of money in
BPL. Using Adsense supports BPL, using Google supports BPL, buying Google
stock supports BPL.

Got it? Google and BPL are connected.

As for supporting those sites, "you pays your money and you makes your choice".
A click on a Google Adsense ad helps pay for BPL. There are other online
"click here" advertising companies. He chose Google. I chose not to support
him.

IMHO it's like running a pro-enviornmentweb site and using the proceeds
from advertising to fund toxic waste dumping.

Geoff.

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IL Voice: (07)-7424-1667 IL Fax: 972-2-648-1443 U.S. Voice: 1-215-821-1838
Visit my 'blog at http://geoffstechno.livejournal.com/

"Geoffrey S. Mendelson" wrote in message
...
Caveat Lector wrote:
The BPL ads -- maybe run your own Anti-BPL ad Huh

You miss the point.

ALL Google ads are BPL adds. Google uses the money they get from Adsense
to finance BPL networks. That's right, Google invested a lot of money in
BPL. Using Adsense supports BPL, using Google supports BPL, buying Google
stock supports BPL.

Got it? Google and BPL are connected.

As for supporting those sites, "you pays your money and you makes your
choice".
A click on a Google Adsense ad helps pay for BPL. There are other online
"click here" advertising companies. He chose Google. I chose not to
support
him.

IMHO it's like running a pro-enviornmentweb site and using the proceeds
from advertising to fund toxic waste dumping.

Geoff.

--
Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel N3OWJ/4X1GM
IL Voice: (07)-7424-1667 IL Fax: 972-2-648-1443 U.S. Voice:
1-215-821-1838
Visit my 'blog at http://geoffstechno.livejournal.com/

Well if I boycotted every biz that had policies I disagree with, wouldn't be
alot left.

So your quarrel is with Goggle not e-ham.

Strange but just about every major Ham web site is now using Google AdSense.

Guess you will have to start up your own Ham website

BTW -- when you buy consumer products, do you determine where the product
was made, if made in a country that you disagree with their policies, do you
boycott the product and store ???

Can't imagine you are not buying gasoline, some of their policies are in
question.

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CL -- I doubt, therefore I might be !






"Caveat Lector" wrote in message
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"Geoffrey S. Mendelson" wrote in message
...
Caveat Lector wrote:
The BPL ads -- maybe run your own Anti-BPL ad Huh

You miss the point.

ALL Google ads are BPL adds. Google uses the money they get from Adsense
to finance BPL networks. That's right, Google invested a lot of money in
BPL. Using Adsense supports BPL, using Google supports BPL, buying Google
stock supports BPL.

Got it? Google and BPL are connected.

As for supporting those sites, "you pays your money and you makes your
choice".
A click on a Google Adsense ad helps pay for BPL. There are other online
"click here" advertising companies. He chose Google. I chose not to
support
him.

IMHO it's like running a pro-enviornmentweb site and using the proceeds
from advertising to fund toxic waste dumping.

Geoff.

--
Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel N3OWJ/4X1GM
IL Voice: (07)-7424-1667 IL Fax: 972-2-648-1443 U.S. Voice:
1-215-821-1838
Visit my 'blog at http://geoffstechno.livejournal.com/

Well if I boycotted every biz that had policies I disagree with, wouldn't
be alot left.

So your quarrel is with Goggle not e-ham.

Strange but just about every major Ham web site is now using Google
AdSense.

Guess you will have to start up your own Ham website

ALL Google ads are BPL adds. Google uses the money they get from Adsense
to finance BPL networks. That's right, Google invested a lot of money in
BPL. Using Adsense supports BPL, using Google supports BPL, buying Google
stock supports BPL.

Got it? Google and BPL are connected.
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I am not a supporter of BPL .......full stop.
Apart from that , in the UK (A)DSL is widely available ,so BPL (or PLC)
is not an issue eg a threat to Amateur Radio in this part of the world.
However there is BPL and BPL.
Most of us on this NG know that ARRL is fighting against the
introduction of 'certain BPL systems' which pollute the HF and up
spectrum ,but NOT BPL in principle.
On the ARRL premises Motorola have installed a BPL system that according
to ARRL does not pollute the spectrum .

So when addressing Google's support for BPL , it seems only sensible to
adopt a more balanced opinion .
Google is an effective search engine ,that's why I use it. There is no
other reason.

Frank GM0CSZ / KN6WH