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![]() On May 10, 6:20 pm, AF6AY wrote: Why is the (supposed) laugh on voice expressed as "HI HI." It is the telegraphic laugh. "hi hi" is the Morse equivalent of a laugh as in Morse it sounds like someone chuckling ("hehhehhehheh hehheh"). That is ditditditdit dit it --- or dot dot dot dot dot dot. You really have to listen to it sent in Morse to appreciate its laugh like sound. It is most commonly used in CW (Morse Code), but has carried over to voice as well. Many CW expressions have carried over to voice -- such as 73 (Best Regards) and 88 (love and Kisses), etc. The origin probably dates back before radio to the telegraph days. And since Hams used Morse long before voice became practical-- the sound of the Morse characters HI HI was used to resemble a laugh sound. In some sense it is equivalent of a smiley. It's onomatopoeic -- that is the naming of a thing or action by a vocal imitation of the sound associated with it (as buzz, hiss) The definitive answer might be found in the "Dodge's The Telegraph Instructor Manual" circa 1850 to 1900..So that is my best guess -- based on what old time telegraphers have told me. Another use of HI HI is sending a greeting to a fellow Ham when vehicles pass -- four short horn beeps followed by two short horn beeps. Since many Hams have Ham License plates -- a fellow Ham is easily spotted as well as the seeing the mobile antennas. Lamont |
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K?HB wrote on Fri 11 May 2007 03:32:
On May 10, 6:20 pm, AF6AY wrote: Why is the (supposed) laugh on voice expressed as "HI HI." For the same reason that hams give "59" signal reports instead of saying "you're loud and clear", for the same reason that they say "73" instead of "best wishes", and for the same reason that they say "QSL" instead of "I got that". I disagree a bit there, having listened to lots of voice "conversations" and compared them to in-person conversations without radios. The majority of amateur radio activity is done solo by a ham using voice, CW, RTTY, data, etc. As such, many just don't have the direct personal coupling to others unless they are personal friends. A result of that is the flat, rather emotionless speech patterns one can hear. They seem to be talking to other radios, not other human beings. Other radios don't laugh or cry or express emotions. People do that. Some people in amateur radio want to emulate the professionals and assume that pros talk only in flat, emotion- less manner. That's not always the case when you get beyond the "data reporting" communications kind of things on commercial radio. Ahem, I've already been "chewed out" by an unidentified Radio Kop on HF for daring to express some slight emotion in my voice. shrug There seems to be a difference in speech patterns in ham bands above 30 MHz versus those below. The VHF and up folk tend to sound more human and have been heard to actually express a tiny bit of emotion! :-) Maybe that's just here in the southwest; I haven't taken any scanner with me on cross-country (2K mile) auto trips in the USA. These, and "hi hi", are carryovers of CW "shorthand" and have survived as a natural sort of "insiders lingo". Yes, yes, I think I know some of that... :-) I've already adapted to several kinds of different radio service lingo. My only difficulty on any of those was at around 2000 feet in a two-place single engine aircraft with the (bad alternate) instructor hollering in my right ear on flying the aircraft properly. "Clik, clik," the pilot's "roger" using the PTT switch...which I "wasn't supposed to know" according to the instructor. :-) As a newer ham you may find them unnatural or awkward to use, and the good news is that everyone will still be happy to snag your prefix in WPX, even if you don't say TKS ES GL OM HI HI.. TNX, FB OM and roger that. :-) When I figure out how to pronounce those capitalized letters, I'll use them. HI HI. :-) Regards, Len AF6AY |
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On Thu, 10 May 2007 08:26:49 -0400, Ivor Jones wrote:
Word meanings sometimes change over time. Like the word "handle".... Now that one really *does* irritate me. A handle is for opening a door. I have a *name*, ok..?! Good morning, Ivor. What in the world is the benefit of getting irritated over something as innocuous as that? I have to say that if that's the worst thing I have to get irritated about, I am a very lucky man indeed. |
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On May 12, 5:18?am, "Rick (W-A-one-R-K-T)"
wrote: On Thu, 10 May 2007 08:26:49 -0400, Ivor Jones wrote: Word meanings sometimes change over time. Like the word "handle".... Now that one really *does* irritate me. A handle is for opening a door. I have a *name*, ok..?! Good morning, Ivor. What in the world is the benefit of getting irritated over something as innocuous as that? An anonymous person wrote long ago: "Mankind invented language to satisfy his need to complain..." :-) 73, Len AF6AY |
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"Rick (W-A-one-R-K-T)" wrote in
message news ![]() On Thu, 10 May 2007 08:26:49 -0400, Ivor Jones wrote: Word meanings sometimes change over time. Like the word "handle".... Now that one really *does* irritate me. A handle is for opening a door. I have a *name*, ok..?! Good morning, Ivor. What in the world is the benefit of getting irritated over something as innocuous as that? Who knows..? It wasn't exactly a conscious decision..! Is there ever a benefit to being irritated..? I honestly don't know why it annoys me, it just does. Isn't there any silly little thing that annoys you..? I have to say that if that's the worst thing I have to get irritated about, I am a very lucky man indeed. Well if it *is* the worst thing you have to get irritated about, you certainly are :-) 73 Ivor G6URP |
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I think "handle" and "name" have different meanings.
"Handle" refers to a person's "radio name" or identification on the radio which can be different from his/her actual name. Nowadays, though, the two are almost always the same. But the term "handle" initially had that specific meaning; hence the unique word to describe it. George, K6GW "Ivor Jones" wrote in message ... wrote in message ps.com [snip] Word meanings sometimes change over time. Like the word "handle".... Now that one really *does* irritate me. A handle is for opening a door. I have a *name*, ok..?! 73 Ivor G6URP |
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On Sat, 12 May 2007 18:07:27 -0400, George wrote:
I think "handle" and "name" have different meanings. "Handle" refers to a person's "radio name" or identification on the radio which can be different from his/her actual name. Nowadays, though, the two are almost always the same. But the term "handle" initially had that specific meaning; hence the unique word to describe it. Good evening, George. I would have to disagree. Since 1963 when I was first licensed, "handle" and "name" have always meant the same thing. CB'ers took to using "handle" to mean "radio name", but hams ... except for those that came from originally being CB'ers ... always used "handle" to mean "name". Rick (my name AND my handle) |
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![]() wrote in message ... RDWeaver wrote: But something apparently has gone horribly wrong. Your numbers indicate that in the past 7 years we have lost all the gains of the 90's and are apparently sliding backwards into the 1980's hams-per- Americans ratios. This is to be expected, the big intake of the 1950s is now dying off. -- g4jci Not to mention the spread of the internet. Here we are typing instead of talking on the radio. Ed, NM2K |
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