I've been an amateur operator for a little over a year now and one of
my favorite parts of the hobby is soaking up stories from previous
decades. One of the things I'm curious about is professional HF work.
I've heard it mentioned in passing that when the early trans-Atlantic
cables went down they would shift to HF circuits as available to try
and pick up the slack.

So, what else is out there. I know the military has always been
heavily invested in radio gear, but what else was (and is?) there? I'd
love to hear from anyone who ever brought home a paycheck for working
the airwaves.

Jon
KC2PNF

On May 8, 7:15 am, BNB Sound wrote:


So, what else is out there.


Commercial shipping and aviation, press (AP, UPI, Reuters, etc.),
weather stations, outback schools in Austrailia and Canada, shortwave
broadcasters, rural telephone systems (an HF radio link existed into a
South Dakota Indian reservation into the 1970's), government
communications in large countries such as China and Russia, public
marine telephone, and more. Pick up a copy of a "SWL Directory" and
you'll be amazed!

73, RDW

On Tue, 8 May 2007 03:15:51 EDT, BNB Sound wrote in .com:
I've been an amateur operator for a little over a year now and one of
my favorite parts of the hobby is soaking up stories from previous
decades. One of the things I'm curious about is professional HF work.
I've heard it mentioned in passing that when the early trans-Atlantic
cables went down they would shift to HF circuits as available to try
and pick up the slack.

So, what else is out there. I know the military has always been
heavily invested in radio gear, but what else was (and is?) there? I'd
love to hear from anyone who ever brought home a paycheck for working
the airwaves.

When I was stationed at Camp Drake, Japan, some time after Len left,
we were still using HF circuits to ship data (60 Baud TTY, 2400 Baud
"high speed data", and other stuff slower than 2400 Baud) to various
places around the world. I was there 2 years, starting in Jan '68. The
TX and RX sites were in Kashiwa and Owada, though I can't remember
which was which.

We also used HF circuits at Osan AB, ROK, and some other places where
I was stationed. Never a hint of Morse, though; it was all TTY and
synchronous data.

You do know about the Coastie CW op's pages at
http://www.radiomarine.org/tales.html? These are gripping, and in
one case I found them hair-raising.

I, too, would love to hear from non-military, non-amateur HF users.

--
Mike Andrews, W5EGO

Tired old sysadmin

"Mike Andrews" wrote on Tue, 8 May 2007 11:11:15
EDT:

On Tue, 8 May 2007 03:15:51 EDT, BNB Sound wrote

I've been an amateur operator for a little over a year now and one of
my favorite parts of the hobby is soaking up stories from previous
decades. One of the things I'm curious about is professional HF work.
I've heard it mentioned in passing that when the early trans-Atlantic
cables went down they would shift to HF circuits as available to try
and pick up the slack.
So, what else is out there. I know the military has always been
heavily invested in radio gear, but what else was (and is?) there? I'd
love to hear from anyone who ever brought home a paycheck for working
the airwaves.

When I was stationed at Camp Drake, Japan, some time after Len left,
we were still using HF circuits to ship data (60 Baud TTY, 2400 Baud
"high speed data", and other stuff slower than 2400 Baud) to various
places around the world. I was there 2 years, starting in Jan '68. The
TX and RX sites were in Kashiwa and Owada, though I can't remember
which was which.

Kashiwa was the transmitter site built on an old WWII airfield with
about two square miles of mostly wire antennas (lots of rhombics),
NE of Tokyo. Owada (for Camp Owada) originally was a shared
USA-USAF receiver site with maybe twice the antenna field size
scattered over numerous small farms NNW of Tokyo. Army built
most of it and control was transferred to USAF in 1963. In 1978
nearly everything was given back to the Japanese government.
Parts of "Owada" receiving site was still active a decade later but
under control of the US Intelligence Agencies as an intercept site.
[no public info on such work :-) ]

We also used HF circuits at Osan AB, ROK, and some other places where
I was stationed. Never a hint of Morse, though; it was all TTY and
synchronous data.

True. Even during WWII the teleprinter was the majority
communications medium for the military, regardless of the stories
that have circulated on morse code use from that War. The center
for Army worldwide communications was Fort Detrick, MD, or radio
callsign WAR (Washington Army Radio). :-) There were separate
transmitter (Woodbridge, VA) and receiver (La Plata, MD) sites with
the control center at Ft. Detrick being primarily a TTY tape relay
unit feeding the Pentagon and 70-odd TTY trunk circuits to major
communications centers worldwide. Tape relay folks used the
network identifier rather than radio callsign. WAR had "RUEP" at
Fort Detrick while Far East Command HQ in Tokyo had "RUAP."
[TTY node IDs always began with "R" but I never found out why...]

TTY was much preferred for several reasons: It was fast, 60 or
100 words per minute with electromechanical terminals; it would
have a printed record at both Tx and Rx relay nodes; it could be
on punched paper tape with printing, ideal for human relaying to
other terminals; it could be encrypted-decrypted on-line or off-line,
vital during hostile times such as the Cold War. Note: The USA
rolling-key encryption system used from WWII until the capture
of the USS Pueblo was never known to have been broken by any
foreign intelligence service. TTYs never needed bathroom breaks,
were "fed" only when paper and ribbons reached their end, and
could work 24 hours a day. The USA, USN, and USAF operated
their parts of the Defense Communications System 24/7...and
there were trade-offs between all branches on the HF circuits,
each branch helping the other out of local problem situations.

Between the end of WWII and towards the beginning of the
1980s the worldwide military radio communications networks
were immense, larger than the combined resources of all USA
civilian radio communications networks. The Army's networks
in Europe, primarily Germany, are illustrated on the excellent
historical site (1945 to 1989) www.usarmygermany.com by
Walter Elkins. In the Far East of 1962 the Signal Corps had

http://sujan.hallikainen.org/Broadca...phabetSoup.pdf

By 1970 the US military had a better overall organization and
new kinds of equipment. Troposcatter (on low microwaves) was
replacing short-haul (under 400 miles) HF radio circuits. LOS
microwave links were replacing more and more land wire circuits.
AUTOVON (automatic voice) and AUTODIN (automatic digital)
circuits came into being, integrated with civilian communications
infrastructure. By 1980 the military satellites were beginning to
take over the really long-haul HF circuits, offering huge bandwidth
capability and thus very fast throughput. Add to that the buried
and underwater fiber-optic cables of civilian companies leasing
space to the government and military, available throughputs into
the GigaBit region. HF radio was relegated to a standby/back-up
role where it remains to this day. Radiation-hardened comm sats
are the medium of choice for the US military now.

The Defense Switched Network (DSN) was formed out of the old
AUTOVON and AUTODIN with the Internet protocols and became
the "government's own Internet" with the added capability of very
robust encryption and the ability to tie in directly with the existing
communications infrastructure or be used directly with comm sats.
That eliminated the old HF torn-tape message system and
subsequent delays of manual relaying of p-tape. In addition, all
DSN nodes can be alerted with "Flash" priority warnings or
messages, all at the same time, something not possible with the
older HF relay system.

You do know about the Coastie CW op's pages at
http://www.radiomarine.org/tales.html? These are gripping, and in
one case I found them hair-raising.

I, too, would love to hear from non-military, non-amateur HF users.

One could go to the more affluent private boat owners who do
deep-water sailing. They use HF SSB away from harbors. Not
much radio-related "hair raising" stuff there, except maybe
what is shown on "CSI: Miami." :-)

The first chapter of the "Collins Sideband Book" by Pappenfus,
Bruene, and Schoenike shows an AT&T SSB map with direct
and switched links to worldwide locations, circa 1960. I count
about 122 stations on that map worldwide. Considering that each
commercial SSB circuit of the time could carry two voice and
eight TTY channels simultaneously, that's fairly large. On the
other hand the service was 24/7 and rather routine, not much
emotion-raising (except to the users of such services).

HF use today, other than amateur, CB, and government, is
relegated to maritime radio on deep water routes (SSB voice
and data), air carrier long-route-over-water communications
(SSB voice), BC (AM and digital voice-music), some comms
services that haven't upgraded to sats or fiber-optics, and
RF ID stations in stores. It's a changed radio world
compared to a half century ago.

73, Len AF6AY

On May 9, 11:07 am, AF6AY wrote:
"Mike Andrews" wrote on Tue, 8 May 2007 11:11:15
EDT:





On Tue, 8 May 2007 03:15:51 EDT, BNB Sound wrote

The first chapter of the "Collins Sideband Book" by Pappenfus,
Bruene, and Schoenike shows an AT&T SSB map with direct
and switched links to worldwide locations, circa 1960. I count
about 122 stations on that map worldwide. Considering that each
commercial SSB circuit of the time could carry two voice and
eight TTY channels simultaneously, that's fairly large. On the
other hand the service was 24/7 and rather routine, not much
emotion-raising (except to the users of such services).

does much if any of this survive to your knowledge?

On May 9, 9:02 am, an old freind wrote:
On May 9, 11:07 am, AF6AY wrote:
"Mike Andrews" wrote on Tue, 8 May 2007 11:11:15
EDT:

On Tue, 8 May 2007 03:15:51 EDT, BNB Sound wrote
The first chapter of the "Collins Sideband Book" by Pappenfus,
Bruene, and Schoenike shows an AT&T SSB map with direct
and switched links to worldwide locations, circa 1960. I count
about 122 stations on that map worldwide. Considering that each
commercial SSB circuit of the time could carry two voice and
eight TTY channels simultaneously, that's fairly large. On the
other hand the service was 24/7 and rather routine, not much
emotion-raising (except to the users of such services).

does much if any of this survive to your knowledge?

Not a great deal of it is publicized so it is hard to say. Most of
the government and military HF stations have changed from
massive terminals to much smaller ones for specific agencies.
Those can be seen in websites carrying SHARES information.
The government conversion to ALE techniques has changed
the nature of stations' operations and reduced the need for
large stations with fixed wire antennas.

The commercial communications world has gone over to
(largely) fiber-optic, extremely broadband carriers for
thousands of voice circuits, hundreds of data circuits, and
dozens of video-audio circuits on one routing...plus the
communications satellite transponder relay services. Note:
at present - and for several years - all the available slots in
the geosynchronous orbit have been filled by commsats.
Note: Much of the underwater cable service has been or
will be soon replaced by "pumped" (self-amplifying) fiber-
optic cable.

Communications such as ARINC stations for relaying HF
from air carriers on long routes still exist in the same number.
So do the private-boat, commercial boat HF relay services.
The availability of HF communications for small stations in
commercial work has caused a shift from reliance on the
bigger mass-communications carriers to individual company
stations.

Yes, one can still hear "other" radio signals outside of the
ham bands. There still exist the strange hum-roar of 12 KHz
commercial SSB here and there on HF but those are far less
numerous than they were three to four decades ago. There's
lots more 'new' sounds of all the various TORs that "others"
use on HF and, once in a while, a rare CW signal. :-)

Thousands of old HF stations for non-ham use have been
closed down worldwide and equipment dismantled or just
junked. Some of the USA transcontinental microwave (FM)
long-distance relay system are still in use and up (visible
to anyone driving cross-country) but fiber-optics and very
high-speed digital time-multiplexed carrier services carry
much of the long-distance telephone signals if not relayed
via commsats. Such is longer-lived and more reliable.

It's difficult for many to reconcile the changes that have
happened in communications in just a half century but
that's how it went down. On a more consumer-oriented
basis, the broadcasting industry is generally wondering
what will become of all those old analog TV transmitters
after the transition to HDTV in the USA. There's no easy
answer for that, either.

73, Len AF6AY

"BNB Sound" wrote in message
oups.com...
I've been an amateur operator for a little over a year now and one of
my favorite parts of the hobby is soaking up stories from previous
decades. One of the things I'm curious about is professional HF work.
I've heard it mentioned in passing that when the early trans-Atlantic
cables went down they would shift to HF circuits as available to try
and pick up the slack.

So, what else is out there. I know the military has always been
heavily invested in radio gear, but what else was (and is?) there? I'd
love to hear from anyone who ever brought home a paycheck for working
the airwaves.

My great uncle was a professional morse operator originally in the RAF but
then as a civilian on weather research aircraft that monitored clouds and
weather for weather forecasting. He used to send the reports to the ground
via HF.
Then he did some time with the civilian search and rescue service manning a
base station which was also on HF (coordinating the rescue helicopters and
aircraft).

both the United States eastern missle test range and western missle test
range have modern HF sites that are operated by civilian contracters.
Computer Sciences Raytheon operates the eastern test range.

Henry

Sir/Mam,

I have brought home the "paycheck" for just under 30 years.....mostly x-band
SatCom.

An electrical engineer by profession, I have also been heavily envolved wit
HF, meteror burst, line of sight et al.

The jjobs are out there....most all are Government...US "and"
others....almost all require security clearances.

check federal employment registers...."civil service".....etc. !

Henry

This is all great stuff. I read every page of the stories from the
Coast Guard. Every ham has favorite experiences on the air. Does
anyone have any favorite experiences from working on the air?

73,
Thanks and keep 'em coming,
KC2PNF
Jon