"Foxs Mercantile" wrote

You might want to read this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amateur_radio_licensing_in_the_United_States#Histo ry_of_U.S._amateur_licensing

The Extra Class license, by what ever name it held always had additional
privileges.

Jeff, where do you see, in that article or *anywhere*, that the Amateur
Extra provided additional privileges? I got my General in early 1964, and
had *all* privileges. That is, I could operate CW in the entire CW portion
of any band, and phone in the entire phone portion of any band. In 1970? I
got my Advanced to get back some of the phone portion that was taken away,
due to incentive licensing, from the Generals.

Howard N7SO

On 10/2/2014 1:40 PM, Howard Lester wrote:
Jeff, where do you see, in that article or *anywhere*, that the Amateur
Extra provided additional privileges?

Well, let's see....
The Department of Commerce created a new top-level license in
1923, the Amateur Extra First Grade, that conveyed extra operating
privileges. It required a more difficult written examination and a
code test at twenty words per minute.

In 1933, the Federal Radio Commission (FRC) reorganized amateur operator
licenses into Classes A, B and C. Class A conveyed all
amateur operating privileges, including certain reserved radio-
telephone bands.

From 1951 until the advent of incentive licensing in the late 1960s,
the Technician, Conditional and General classes shared the same written
examination and the Conditional, General, Advanced and Amateur Extra
classes shared the same operating privileges.

Note: This is your "smoking gun" a 17 year window where Extra wasn't
"extra" as far as operating privileges was concerned.

In 1968, once again, as in previously, from 1923 through 1951 (28
years) the Extra class license conveyed extra privileges.

In retrospect, it's now 2014, and a variation of Extra class license
has been available continuously since 1923 (91 years.) Of that 91 years,
74 years of having an Extra class license has meant extra privileges
for those holding that grade of license.

If anywhere in that history, you want to point a finger, it would
be the restructuring in 1951 that resulted in disincentive licensing
where a majority of General class licensees decided there was NO point
in upgrading.


that held the license



--
Jeff-1.0
wa6fwi
http://www.foxsmercantile.com

"Foxs Mercantile" wrote

Jeff, where do you see, in that article or *anywhere*, that the Amateur
Extra provided additional privileges?


If anywhere in that history, you want to point a finger, it would
be the restructuring in 1951 that resulted in disincentive licensing
where a majority of General class licensees decided there was NO point
in upgrading.

You had originally used the word "always," and that is the part that got my
attention.

On 10/3/2014 1:24 PM, Howard Lester wrote:
"Foxs Mercantile" wrote

Jeff, where do you see, in that article or *anywhere*, that the Amateur
Extra provided additional privileges?


If anywhere in that history, you want to point a finger, it would
be the restructuring in 1951 that resulted in disincentive licensing
where a majority of General class licensees decided there was NO point
in upgrading.

You had originally used the word "always," and that is the part that got
my attention.

BTW Howard, I know you're now up near the 'toga, but did you live in the
Schenectady area before going west? The name sounds familiar -- if so,
what was your call ca. 1973?
k1io ex -wb2tsk, etc.

On 10/3/2014 12:24 PM, Howard Lester wrote:
You had originally used the word "always," and that is the part
that got my attention.

Mea culpa. However, I found the information that disproved the
"Always" part, but by the same token, disproved the claim of
honorary only that was made earlier.


--
Jeff-1.0
wa6fwi
http://www.foxsmercantile.com

"Foxs Mercantile" wrote

You had originally used the word "always," and that is the part
that got my attention.

Mea culpa. However, I found the information that disproved the
"Always" part, but by the same token, disproved the claim of
honorary only that was made earlier.

And thanks for bringing to *my* attention that there *were* extra privileges
at one time for Extras.

"Fred Goldstein" wrote

BTW Howard, I know you're now up near the 'toga, but did you live in the
Schenectady area before going west? The name sounds familiar -- if so,
what was your call ca. 1973?
k1io ex -wb2tsk, etc.

No, Fred, I'm not the famous Howard Lester who passed away some 7 or 8 years
ago. I did get to meet one of his sons here; he is a ham, too. Imagine my
surprise when I saw, I think in Amateur Radio Newsline back then, that I had
become an SK! I suppose I should put a disclaimer as such in my qrz bio.
;-)

When I first moved here and went to my first Saratoga hamfest, I sported my
Arizona callsign badge with my full name on it. More than a few hams looked
at me rather quizzically.

Howard

On 10/4/2014 9:23 AM, Howard Lester wrote:
And thanks for bringing to *my* attention that there *were*
extra privileges at one time for Extras.

There still are.
http://www.arrl.org/files/file/Regulatory/Band%20Chart/Hambands_color.pdf

The 80, 40, 20 and 15 meter bands all have exclusive portions
for Extra Class licensees. The same bottom 25 KHz I remember
from the early '70s when I upgraded to Advanced.

--
Jeff-1.0
wa6fwi
http://www.foxsmercantile.com

On Sat, 4 Oct 2014 21:49:40 EDT, Foxs Mercantile
wrote:

On 10/4/2014 9:23 AM, Howard Lester wrote:
And thanks for bringing to *my* attention that there *were*
extra privileges at one time for Extras.

There still are.
http://www.arrl.org/files/file/Regulatory/Band%20Chart/Hambands_color.pdf

The 80, 40, 20 and 15 meter bands all have exclusive portions
for Extra Class licensees. The same bottom 25 KHz I remember
from the early '70s when I upgraded to Advanced.

Also, extra class licensees can get call signs in the form of 1x2
(N6AA), 2x1 (NA6A) and 2x2 (AA6AA). Advanced class can get only 2x2.
When I upgraded from Tech to Extra, I took advantage of this to trade
in my old call sign for an improved version.

--
Jeff Liebermann
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

"Foxs Mercantile" wrote

And thanks for bringing to *my* attention that there *were*
extra privileges at one time for Extras.

There still are.
http://www.arrl.org/files/file/Regulatory/Band%20Chart/Hambands_color.pdf

I didn't think I had to explain myself so explicitly.... I *know* there
still are; I *am* one. I meant that I didn't know there were additional
privileges for the Amateur Extra Class in the era before the portions of the
1950's and 1960's when there *weren't* any additional privileges.

N7SO ---- Amateur Extra