On 11 Aug 2006 18:54:53 -0700, "an old friend"
wrote:

Al Klein wrote:
On 11 Aug 2006 15:21:54 -0700, "an old friend"
wrote:

you are rude and abusive

No, I'm just biblical - I don't suffer fools gladly.

you are just rude and abusivise and as for biblical you are not
following the injunction to not bear false witness against your
neighboor either

That the truth hurts doesn't make it a lie.

Al Klein wrote:
On 11 Aug 2006 18:54:53 -0700, "an old friend"
wrote:

Al Klein wrote:
On 11 Aug 2006 15:21:54 -0700, "an old friend"
wrote:

you are rude and abusive

No, I'm just biblical - I don't suffer fools gladly.

you are just rude and abusivise and as for biblical you are not
following the injunction to not bear false witness against your
neighboor either

That the truth hurts doesn't make it a lie.
that only applies if you tell the truth

you don't it is just that simple

it is not a sign sign of any superior knowledge to know that is a
particular circut is Collpitts or hartley ocilator no can that
difference by learned in any way other than memorization

On 12 Aug 2006 09:57:19 -0700, "an old friend"
wrote:

it is not a sign sign of any superior knowledge to know that is a
particular circut is Collpitts or hartley ocilator

It's a sign of having learned it.

no can that
difference by learned in any way other than memorization

You still don't understand the difference between memorizing facts and
memorizing answers.

Al Klein wrote:
On 12 Aug 2006 09:57:19 -0700, "an old friend"
wrote:

it is not a sign sign of any superior knowledge to know that is a
particular circut is Collpitts or hartley ocilator

It's a sign of having learned it.
a sign of havigng learned something of NO value

no can that
difference by learned in any way other than memorization

You still don't understand the difference between memorizing facts and
memorizing answers.
at pesent their is no different when I learn the text of the right
answer to a given I leraned the answer to that question

there is no difference, none at all,

for some of the materail the only rational way of approuching it is
memorization, for other section you can learn some part of the
underlying theroy and use it but short of the Full course of Eltromatic
Theroy I hadin colledge you don't learn much

can you describe and USE Maxwell's equation? I can I found the
knowledge very helpfull on the rf safety question in the pools,
butstill useless without memorizing certain facts that have set as
arbitary level in the regs

the fact I need to an rf eval at at 51 watts on 2m is not something I
can know from guasses equation although guass' law allow me to easily
undertsand theprocess of doing the eval

I have a question for " an old friend ".

I noticed that you have a difficult time with writing the English
language, with regards to spelling and grammar, etc, but you do try to get
the thought across. I have a dyslexic daughter with the same problem, and
her teachers in grade school used to flunk her thinking she did not know
answers to the test questions, when actually, she really did know and
understand, but was afraid to write them out because of her dyslexia and the
resultant laughter and snickering that followed. When we all caught on to
this finally, we demanded that she be tested aurally, where she was asked
the questions out loud, and responded verbally with the answers instead of
writing things out. This made a hell of a difference in assessing her
learning and understanding during her education in the early years. As her
father, I was hard on her because of the frustration she caused us at first
when we did not understand what was really happening, and I still feel
guilty about it to this day.

Are you a native North American, or are you an immigrant? When you did
your ham test, or any test, did the teachers/instructors make these
allowances or alternate testing methods for you also? Were they easy on you,
or did they show frustration? Did they understand where you were coming
from? Did you have a pleasant attitude to deal with? I am not making fun of
you. This is a serious question. Thanks,

Jack


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Al Klein wrote:
On 12 Aug 2006 09:57:19 -0700, "an old friend"
wrote:

it is not a sign sign of any superior knowledge to know that is a
particular circut is Collpitts or hartley ocilator

It's a sign of having learned it.
a sign of havigng learned something of NO value

no can that
difference by learned in any way other than memorization

You still don't understand the difference between memorizing facts and
memorizing answers.
at pesent their is no different when I learn the text of the right
answer to a given I leraned the answer to that question

there is no difference, none at all,

for some of the materail the only rational way of approuching it is
memorization, for other section you can learn some part of the
underlying theroy and use it but short of the Full course of Eltromatic
Theroy I hadin colledge you don't learn much

can you describe and USE Maxwell's equation? I can I found the
knowledge very helpfull on the rf safety question in the pools,
butstill useless without memorizing certain facts that have set as
arbitary level in the regs

the fact I need to an rf eval at at 51 watts on 2m is not something I
can know from guasses equation although guass' law allow me to easily
undertsand theprocess of doing the eval

Jack Ricci wrote:
I agree with the Morse Code ( or whatever exotic name it has evolved to
in modern day ) as still being useful. I think morse code is a lot of fun,
and very much a part of the ham hobby's old-time, nostalgic glamour. I see
no harm in making it part of a ham's testing and licensing requirement. I
feel that it is definitely useful, and provides communicants with an
international second language to deal with in emergencies.
if it were not treated as a go or nogo element I might be persauded to
agree with you

that isn't the case

indeed if the usa had adopted years something Canada is doing now I
would lay good money that NCI would never have existed

I do not think the newer hams are idiots for wanting to do away with
code, but I think they are missing out on a piece of irreplaceable history
that is so easy to maintain and cherish forever.
Viva le ham.

Jack

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Al Klein wrote:
On 10 Aug 2006 22:12:58 -0700, "cmdr buzz corey"
wrote:

an old friend wrote:

I am honest. I don't think CW has ANY value in todays world.

Kinda like you.

Except that code was useful once.

And still more useful today than an old idiot is.

On 12 Aug 2006 15:49:50 -0700, "an old friend"
wrote:

Al Klein wrote:
On 12 Aug 2006 09:57:19 -0700, "an old friend"
wrote:

it is not a sign sign of any superior knowledge to know that is a
particular circut is Collpitts or hartley ocilator

It's a sign of having learned it.
a sign of havigng learned something of NO value

No value to you - that doesn't matter very much to the other 6
billion+ people on the planet.

You still don't understand the difference between memorizing facts and
memorizing answers.

at pesent their is no different

To you - which was what I said.

for some of the materail the only rational way of approuching it is
memorization

For some, yes. I'm referring to those who use the method for all the
answers - people like you.

, for other section you can learn some part of the
underlying theroy and use it but short of the Full course of Eltromatic
Theroy I hadin colledge you don't learn much

I doubt you learned much in college either.

On 12 Aug 2006 19:27:59 -0700, "cmdr buzz corey"
wrote:

Al Klein wrote:
On 10 Aug 2006 22:12:58 -0700, "cmdr buzz corey"
wrote:

an old friend wrote:

I am honest. I don't think CW has ANY value in todays world.

Kinda like you.

Except that code was useful once.

And still more useful today than an old idiot is.

Urdu and Sanskrit are a lot more useful today than he is.

Al Klein wrote:
On 12 Aug 2006 15:49:50 -0700, "an old friend"
wrote:

, for other section you can learn some part of the
underlying theroy and use it but short of the Full course of Eltromatic
Theroy I hadin colledge you don't learn much

I doubt you learned much in college either.

What's there to learn when your only "experience" in "college" is
either on a tour bus or as janitorial staff...?!?!

73

Steve, K4YZ

an old friend wrote:
Jack Ricci wrote:
I have a question for " an old friend ".

I noticed that you have a difficult time with writing the English
language, with regards to spelling and grammar, etc, but you do try to get
the thought across....(SNIP)

The thought he get's across is that he's incompetent and arrogant.

Dyslexia has nothing to do with it.

I have a dyslexic daughter with the same problem, and
her teachers in grade school used to flunk her thinking she did not know
answers to the test questions, when actually, she really did know and
understand, but was afraid to write them out because of her dyslexia and the
resultant laughter and snickering that followed. When we all caught on to
this finally, we demanded that she be tested aurally, where she was asked
the questions out loud, and responded verbally with the answers instead of
writing things out. This made a hell of a difference in assessing her
learning and understanding during her education in the early years. As her
father, I was hard on her because of the frustration she caused us at first
when we did not understand what was really happening, and I still feel
guilty about it to this day.

There was nothing for you to feel guilty about, Jack. Unless you
were a trained speech therapist or other childhood educational
clinician, how would you have known?

The fact of the matter is that you probably did her more good than
harm. Was it tough on her? No doubt. But that beats coddling her and
allowing her to use the "I'm a victim"" escape that so many
"affilicted" persons want to declare today.

The point is that she knows now, can get therapy for it, and is
strong enough to know that she can overcome this "problem" through
education, training and technology...Not to mention the love and
support of her father, of course!

I was diagnosed as Duslexic and am at a better occasion verbaly of
course I decided that I would not allow the mocking of the close minded
to stop me expressing myself when I choose

Your present problem, Mork, has nothing to do with any diagnosed
condition.

It has to do with your unwillingness to seek treatment and
correction of it.

There are copious fixes available yet you refuse to take advantage
of them.

THAT makes you an idiot...NOT "dyslexic".

Are you a native North American, or are you an immigrant?

intteresting I am a native american citizen but was in fact born abaord
with my folks working in the srvice of Uncle Sam

Sigh.

Many immigrants, including most Central Europeans, are the
recipients of a mandatory ESL, or "English as a Second Language"
programs.

When you did
your ham test, or any test, did the teachers/instructors make these
allowances or alternate testing methods for you also?

nothing but given the nature of my knowledge I needed none for the
written testing but the VE system bascial refuses any real accomadation
in making an effort at code testing

There's no accomodation for idiots, Mork.

You point out that you're better at audio testing, but you
simultaneously insist that you can't copy the code aurally.

in tests in Hs it got easier once my dyslexia was discovered amusingly
it result of the mangling I did in takeing code tests (one of the
tester was also a specail ed teacher and thought I might be dyslexic)

Uh huh....

Were they easy on you, or did they show frustration?

depends

Depends on what?

How smart mouth and abusive you were on any given day?

Or how willing they were to absorb your abuse and do their best to
overcome the codependency you'd developed by coddling from parents who
didn't have the intestinal fortitude to tell you "no" when you demanded
something-for-nothing...?!?!

Did they understand where you were coming from?

agian depends

Depends?

You're wearing depends?

Why am I not surprised?

Did you have a pleasant attitude to deal with?

Mork...?!?!

PLEASANT...?!?!?!

As pleasant as getting caught on the tracks as the 5:15 express
rolls through!

pleasent to a point but frankly to survie and do I wanted I have a
SERIOUS pugnaous streak of course

Serious selfish "me first screw you" is what you're trying to say?

the posters on here seem to work to bring that to the fore

No...the posters here are just too aware of what makes Mork Moron
the way he is...

I am not making fun of
you. This is a serious question. Thanks

in the arguement here frank it shows just what memorization can do Like
Tom cruise I can memorize vasts amounts of data ((I do some
professional acting)

Mork?

A PROFESSIONAL ACTOR...?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HA
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!

Jack, you've just fallen prey to the clutches of Mark C. Morgan,
better known in this forum as "Mork Moron"...Or if you'd care to, by
his nomme-de-guerre, LtCol Mark C. Morgan of the US Army Chemical
Corps.

Or is it Sgt Mark Morgan of the "47th CSB (prov)"...?!?! We can't
tell. He admitted to lying about being a field grade officer in the
Army as he did about being drafted. Of course it didn't take a degree
in astrophysics to figure out that Mork was only SEVEN years old as the
last conscriptees in the United States were being mustered OUT, let
alone being inducted.

Nor does it take a rocket scientist to see through his current
rants about being in a unit that no one can find anywhere. Oh, to be
sure there are sound-alike, "almost the same" unit designators, however
Mork (nor anyone else for that matter....) cannot find any reference to
his "47th CSB (PROV)" that back up THIS tale. More likely and
plausible is the theory that he was a visitor to Ft Sill, OK at one
time and saw signs for real units, and then got confused when he
started his current round to tale-telling.

Markie's current rant is to try and pummel me over "trampling" the
memory of some Army NCO that passed away recently and whom Morkie
allegedly knew. Again it is more likely that this was a convienient
ruse for Morkie to claim he knew someone in this fictional unit of his,
only now the tale can't be verified.

Also, Mork is a great believer in recreational lying. As a matter
of fact, some posts made by him within the last couple of days record
his stating that his as-of-yet-to-be-born son will be thoroughly
trained in lying and encouraged to do so often.

Please...Don't take my word for it. Please take the time to
research some of Morkie's posts in this forum. They are nothing if not
a window into the mind of a very, VERY sick man. But be prepared to
have to do some amateur-detective work to find them all...To date
Morkie's posted under no fewer than 26 different "nics", or screen
names, that I have kept track of...I am sure there are more.

Good luck.

Steve, K4YZ