From: on Wed, Sep 27 2006 5:53 pm

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From: on Tues, Sep 26 2006 7:22 pm
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To further that, he feigns some kind of outrage and
demands that the challenger "prove" it by going back
to archives and extracting the challenger's charge.

Brian Burke, N0IMD, claimed that a now-dead person wrote something.
If the now-dead person wrote what Brian claimed, what's the problem
with asking to see the original?

There's nothing wrong with a now-living person asking that question.
There's also nothing wrong with a now-living person from answering as
Heil has - "do your own homework."

Sigh...that CONSTANT "prove-it-by-dredging-up-an-old-post"
bull**** again. :-( Feigned outrage (of the pansy sort)
and "prove it" nonsense. AS IF nobody saw old postings in
here before...


I quoted a definition for "subsidy" from the Webster's New Collegiate
Dictionary:

"a grant to a private person or company to assist an enterprise deemed
advantageous to the public"

A serviceman or woman is not a private person. Nor are they a private
company.

Jimmie Noserve doesn't know that. Obviously. He's never taken
that Oath.

Do you even know what they are?

Jimmie Noserve never served. Not in the military, not in any
of his governments. He thinks of "the military" as G.I. Joe
dolls ("action figures") or as images of old war movies?


What is demeaning about that?

What isn't demeaning about it?

Indeed!

Jimmie Noserve must be connected with aviation somehow...he is
on some higher plane. He is "better" than the rest of us.


"subsidize" is defined in the same book as "to furnish with a subsidy"

So?

Good grief...this NO-serve individual just cannot stop trying
to rationalize he is "right" and therefore cannot be faulted!
Just the same, he never took that Oath to serve his country,
putting his life on that line, possibly harming his precious
body dedicated to morse code.


Now of course it's clear that someone who is directly employed by the
government is not "a private person or company", so the word doesn't
really apply to anyone who gets a direct government paycheck.

You don't say.

I couldn't figure out what he said...or meant to say...

Oh, wait, here must be the meaning of his words: It is okay
to be a civilian government employee (such as that glorious
DX king from State, retired)...but NOT okay to wear the
uniform of a military branch of the USA, doing military
things and putting their LIVES on the line! Military
people are "subsidized" but those in the "foreign service"
are NOT!

Yes, that's about it. Heil is his "friend" and ostensible
"protector." Heil was a government employee at State. Heil
is a pro-coder amateur extra. It all fits now.

Anyone who is a pro-coder and served in the military is NOT
"subsidized" but all no-coders aren't worthy of any respect
from pro-coders, are always "subsidized," never do things on
their own, got ALL education from the government, and
probably have underarm odor.

But, it is "okay" whatever Jimmie Noserve says. If you
don't like it he will keep on keep on keep on rationalizing
whatever he said is "correct" until everyone gives in just
to keep him quiet. :-(

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From: on Wed, Sep 27 2006 5:53 pm

wrote:
wrote:
From: on Tues, Sep 26 2006 7:22 pm
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To further that, he feigns some kind of outrage and
demands that the challenger "prove" it by going back
to archives and extracting the challenger's charge.
Brian Burke, N0IMD, claimed that a now-dead person wrote something.
If the now-dead person wrote what Brian claimed, what's the problem
with asking to see the original?
There's nothing wrong with a now-living person asking that question.
There's also nothing wrong with a now-living person from answering as
Heil has - "do your own homework."

Sigh...that CONSTANT "prove-it-by-dredging-up-an-old-post"
bull**** again. :-(

I'm convinced, Len. Why did you dredge up the old post by "Jeffie-poo"?

Feigned outrage (of the pansy sort)
and "prove it" nonsense. AS IF nobody saw old postings in
here before...

If we'd all seen it, why did you find it necessary to bring it up again?
Are you now feigning outrage of the previously described sort?


I quoted a definition for "subsidy" from the Webster's New Collegiate
Dictionary:
"a grant to a private person or company to assist an enterprise deemed
advantageous to the public"
A serviceman or woman is not a private person. Nor are they a private
company.

Jimmie Noserve doesn't know that. Obviously.

Who is "Jimmie Noserve"? Is this just your way of showing us that you
are incapable of doing other than living up to the profile which
outlines your behavior?

He's never taken
that Oath.

So? You mentioned that the other day. What of it?

Do you even know what they are?

Jimmie Noserve never served. Not in the military, not in any
of his governments.

So? You mentioned that the other day. What of it?

He thinks of "the military" as G.I. Joe
dolls ("action figures") or as images of old war movies?

You can't help but to insult and denigrate. If any should react to you
in the same manner, you go to great lengths to discuss character
assassination and worse.


What is demeaning about that?
What isn't demeaning about it?

Indeed!

Jimmie Noserve must be connected with aviation somehow...he is
on some higher plane. He is "better" than the rest of us.

You've long had a thing about being seen as inferior, less qualfied,
less experienced or not an expert in any field. Your military service
or mine conveys no super citizen status.


"subsidize" is defined in the same book as "to furnish with a subsidy"
So?

Good grief...this NO-serve individual just cannot stop trying
to rationalize he is "right" and therefore cannot be faulted!
Just the same, he never took that Oath to serve his country,
putting his life on that line, possibly harming his precious
body dedicated to morse code.

Are you ever going to tell us where and when it was that you went
throught that artillery barrage? Can your friend Gene confirm it?
Did his sphincter tighten too?


Now of course it's clear that someone who is directly employed by the
government is not "a private person or company", so the word doesn't
really apply to anyone who gets a direct government paycheck.
You don't say.

I couldn't figure out what he said...or meant to say...

Oh, wait, here must be the meaning of his words: It is okay
to be a civilian government employee (such as that glorious
DX king from State, retired)...

You just can't help yourself.

but NOT okay to wear the
uniform of a military branch of the USA, doing military
things and putting their LIVES on the line!

I'm a military veteran, Len. Jim has never said anything insulting to
me about my military service. You are a veteran. You have insulted my
military service on more than one occasion.

Military
people are "subsidized" but those in the "foreign service"
are NOT!

According to your own words, my DXing while I was on government
assignment abroad was paid for by taxpayers.

Yes, that's about it. Heil is his "friend" and ostensible
"protector."

Is Brian your protector? Is Mark Morgan? Are they your friends? Your
supporters?

Heil was a government employee at State. Heil
is a pro-coder amateur extra. It all fits now.

Good luck on the new conspiracy theory. Don't leave the house without
your aluminum foil cap.

Anyone who is a pro-coder and served in the military is NOT
"subsidized" but all no-coders aren't worthy of any respect
from pro-coders, are always "subsidized," never do things on
their own, got ALL education from the government, and
probably have underarm odor.

You really need to find something with which to fill your empty hours.

But, it is "okay" whatever Jimmie Noserve says. If you
don't like it he will keep on keep on keep on rationalizing
whatever he said is "correct" until everyone gives in just
to keep him quiet. :-(

Whereas there is not much likely to keep you quiet. You are bound to
demonstrate the accuracy of the well known profile.

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On 30 Sep 2006 20:23:05 -0700, "
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From: on Wed, Sep 27 2006 5:53 pm

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From: on Tues, Sep 26 2006 7:22 pm
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Sigh...that CONSTANT "prove-it-by-dredging-up-an-old-post"
bull**** again. :-( Feigned outrage (of the pansy sort)
and "prove it" nonsense. AS IF nobody saw old postings in
here before...
it is always the Nocoders that must do the work somehow the procoder I
guess cazan't losing the abilty as they learn code perhaps?

Nah...that's just an old, old trick of J. Miccolis. He diverts
attention away from a challenge by another (and usually on
a different subject) to get the group focussing on some old,
old newsgripe argument. He does that deliberately.


Do you even know what they are?

Jimmie Noserve never served. Not in the military, not in any
of his governments. He thinks of "the military" as G.I. Joe
dolls ("action figures") or as images of old war movies?

as expendable materail in any event

No doubt.


What is demeaning about that?

What isn't demeaning about it?

Indeed!

Jimmie Noserve must be connected with aviation somehow...he is
on some higher plane. He is "better" than the rest of us.

Len you forgot his Code skills put him on a higher plane

...and without his parachute! :-)


Good grief...this NO-serve individual just cannot stop trying
to rationalize he is "right" and therefore cannot be faulted!
Just the same, he never took that Oath to serve his country,
putting his life on that line, possibly harming his precious
body dedicated to morse code.

yea I can personal attest serving is dangerous even in peacetime

"We were expendable." :-)



Now of course it's clear that someone who is directly employed by the
government is not "a private person or company", so the word doesn't
really apply to anyone who gets a direct government paycheck.

You don't say.

I couldn't figure out what he said...or meant to say...

Oh, wait, here must be the meaning of his words: It is okay
to be a civilian government employee (such as that glorious
DX king from State, retired)...but NOT okay to wear the
uniform of a military branch of the USA, doing military
things and putting their LIVES on the line! Military
people are "subsidized" but those in the "foreign service"
are NOT!

Jim is simply on the slide to ending up like Robeson sad to say it
since he was managging better than than most of the ProCoders but it
looks we ought to ban CW to protect hams from the obviously damaging
effect of CW usage

Maybe "it's the water?" [like the Olympia Brewing Co. slogan]


Yes, that's about it. Heil is his "friend" and ostensible
"protector." Heil was a government employee at State. Heil
is a pro-coder amateur extra. It all fits now.

Anyone who is a pro-coder and served in the military is NOT
"subsidized" but all no-coders aren't worthy of any respect
from pro-coders, are always "subsidized," never do things on
their own, got ALL education from the government, and
probably have underarm odor.

and these people expect to be trusted to moderate a Ng involving the
code issue?

People like them. They all passed the code test. No sweat.

Remember, Mark, they brooke NO contentiousness!


But, it is "okay" whatever Jimmie Noserve says. If you
don't like it he will keep on keep on keep on rationalizing
whatever he said is "correct" until everyone gives in just
to keep him quiet. :-(

pity for all of us he does not read the ng more hed learn at least One
us will not do that

I have to just ignore him. If I don't, I'm liable to be accused of
"(mis)conduct" and other high crimes against the State. :-)

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On 30 Sep 2006 22:59:21 -0700, "
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wrote:
On 30 Sep 2006 20:23:05 -0700, "
wrote:

From: on Wed, Sep 27 2006 5:53 pm

wrote:
wrote:
From: on Tues, Sep 26 2006 7:22 pm
wrote:
wrote:

Sigh...that CONSTANT "prove-it-by-dredging-up-an-old-post"
bull**** again. :-( Feigned outrage (of the pansy sort)
and "prove it" nonsense. AS IF nobody saw old postings in
here before...
it is always the Nocoders that must do the work somehow the procoder I
guess cazan't losing the abilty as they learn code perhaps?

Nah...that's just an old, old trick of J. Miccolis. He diverts
attention away from a challenge by another (and usually on
a different subject) to get the group focussing on some old,
old newsgripe argument. He does that deliberately.

he taught it to Steve and the rest fo Procoders

The robeswine picked it up thinking it was SOP. Jimmie the M.
probably picked it up on the old (defunct) AOL discussion board
and saw it was useful for him as a misdirection. It's an old, old
trick and - surprisingly - works well with the uninitiated.


Do you even know what they are?

Jimmie Noserve never served. Not in the military, not in any
of his governments. He thinks of "the military" as G.I. Joe
dolls ("action figures") or as images of old war movies?

as expendable materail in any event

No doubt.

I do say that on rainy day like today is here it realy makes me regret
I put my life and health on the line for the nation

Welp, 2000 miles away from you the weather was nice down
here. Picked up new glasses from Sears Optical and passed
the Armed Forces Career Center just outside the Sears
entrance. Briefly had some nice words with the same Army
E-5 on duty that I did on Tuesday. :-)


What is demeaning about that?

What isn't demeaning about it?

Indeed!

Jimmie Noserve must be connected with aviation somehow...he is
on some higher plane. He is "better" than the rest of us.

Len you forgot his Code skills put him on a higher plane

...and without his parachute! :-)

they don't need hard enough heads you could most procoder from orbit
and they would survie byt beep in in their Code does get though your
know and the air would part and not let them burn up

Well then, let's get Heil to work with NASA. He wrote he "worked
with NASA" while in Vietnam. Maybe this time he can help them
with new nosecones or shuttle tiles? :-)


Good grief...this NO-serve individual just cannot stop trying
to rationalize he is "right" and therefore cannot be faulted!
Just the same, he never took that Oath to serve his country,
putting his life on that line, possibly harming his precious
body dedicated to morse code.

yea I can personal attest serving is dangerous even in peacetime

"We were expendable." :-)



Now of course it's clear that someone who is directly employed by the
government is not "a private person or company", so the word doesn't
really apply to anyone who gets a direct government paycheck.

You don't say.

I couldn't figure out what he said...or meant to say...

Oh, wait, here must be the meaning of his words: It is okay
to be a civilian government employee (such as that glorious
DX king from State, retired)...but NOT okay to wear the
uniform of a military branch of the USA, doing military
things and putting their LIVES on the line! Military
people are "subsidized" but those in the "foreign service"
are NOT!

Jim is simply on the slide to ending up like Robeson sad to say it
since he was managging better than than most of the ProCoders but it
looks we ought to ban CW to protect hams from the obviously damaging
effect of CW usage

Maybe "it's the water?" [like the Olympia Brewing Co. slogan]

maybe


Yes, that's about it. Heil is his "friend" and ostensible
"protector." Heil was a government employee at State. Heil
is a pro-coder amateur extra. It all fits now.

Anyone who is a pro-coder and served in the military is NOT
"subsidized" but all no-coders aren't worthy of any respect
from pro-coders, are always "subsidized," never do things on
their own, got ALL education from the government, and
probably have underarm odor.

and these people expect to be trusted to moderate a Ng involving the
code issue?

People like them. They all passed the code test. No sweat.

yea

Remember, Mark, they brooke NO contentiousness!

except from themselves hypocrites but again the NG is dead even if
they get it lanched with attides

RRAP is dead for any real discussion. Pro-coders won't allow it.
That's IT in a nutshell. Pro-coders want to stop all discussion.
It is obvious to any disinterested observer. Problem is the
"moderating team" (well, one anyway) wants to be in the public
engaging in a ****ing contest. Ah, but with just ONE, me. :-)

The hypocrisy will be proven later, after the "moderation" starts.



But, it is "okay" whatever Jimmie Noserve says. If you
don't like it he will keep on keep on keep on rationalizing
whatever he said is "correct" until everyone gives in just
to keep him quiet. :-(

pity for all of us he does not read the ng more hed learn at least One
us will not do that

I have to just ignore him. If I don't, I'm liable to be accused of
"(mis)conduct" and other high crimes against the State. :-)

well Clinton survived impeachment and even profitted from it

As far as I saw, Bill Clinton NEVER had to face the elite
"moderating
team" of RRAP! :-)

Yet again the gaseous bageous Exalted One takes it upon himself to hold
Court where none is necessary.
Len, you are quickly becoming a simple, smarmy to-be-ignored buffoon much
like your lone Peanut Gallery follower aka Mark Morgan.

And Len? Yes, I am one of those dreaded "Coders" you love to malign, though
I pose no stance on code or no code.
Tsk...What say you, Exalted One?

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The robeswine picked it up thinking it was SOP.

Who?

Jimmie the M.
probably picked it up on the old (defunct) AOL discussion board...

Who?




Well then, let's get Heil to work with NASA. He wrote he "worked
with NASA" while in Vietnam.

I wrote no such thing at any time. Your memory is playing tricks on
you, Leonard.

Maybe this time he can help them
with new nosecones or shuttle tiles? :-)

Did you ever hear of a shuttle transatlantic landing site (TAL), Len?
Did you know that one of them is Banjul in The Gambia? Were you aware
that Dakar, Senegal was also used in the past? It happens that
Guinea-Bissau, that cashew exporting country, is just a little down the
coast from The Gambia. I worked in Bissau for the U.S. government in
communications. Let's see if you are capable of putting two and two
together and coming up with a correct answer.

Working with NASA isn't the same as working for NASA.

Your factual errors are mounting.


RRAP is dead for any real discussion. Pro-coders won't allow it.
That's IT in a nutshell.

Perhaps you aren't capable of adding two and two and coming up with a
correct answer after all.

Pro-coders want to stop all discussion.

Well, Leonard "I-am-only-here-for-civil-debate" Anderson, you've come up
with a mistaken notion. What is needed is a removal of filth posters,
endless Myna bird droppings of "get help", "gte help", "kooks on
parade", "koks on parade" and a change in your behavior.

It is obvious to any disinterested observer.

The likelihood of any disinterested observer reading this newsgroup is
very, very small.

Problem is the
"moderating team" (well, one anyway) wants to be in the public
engaging in a ****ing contest. Ah, but with just ONE, me. :-)

Your behavior has been pointed out. Your refusal to acknowledge your
part in turning this newsgroup into less than it could be has been noted.

The hypocrisy will be proven later, after the "moderation" starts.

You could easily be a part of a moderated newsgroup. All that would take
is some self-control on your part.


As far as I saw, Bill Clinton NEVER had to face the elite
"moderating
team" of RRAP! :-)

Were you elected to something, Len?

From: Dave Heil on Sun, Oct 1 2006 8:57 am

wrote:

The robeswine picked it up thinking it was SOP.

Who?

"If you don't know that information, all of your
latest diatribe is rather pointless."


As always, may you bask forever in the warm glow
of ByteBrohters famous phrase...

wrote:
From: Dave Heil on Sun, Oct 1 2006 8:57 am

wrote:

The robeswine picked it up thinking it was SOP.
Who?

"If you don't know that information, all of your
latest diatribe is rather pointless."

There's no one called "Robeswine" posting here.


As always, may you bask forever in the warm glow
of ByteBrohters famous phrase...

"ByteBrohters", is it?

I'm not familiar with the phrase. Maybe it isn't as famous as you think
it is.


See IEEE Code of Ethics

Dave K8MN

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On Sun, 01 Oct 2006 18:34:05 GMT, Dave Heil
wrote:

wrote:
From: Dave Heil on Sun, Oct 1 2006 8:57 am

wrote:

The robeswine picked it up thinking it was SOP.
Who?

"If you don't know that information, all of your
latest diatribe is rather pointless."

There's no one called "Robeswine" posting here.

an obviosus lie Dave

Mark, he's already been told who it is...a USMC veteran IMPOSTER
but one who is an amateur extra morseman...ergo, that's okay.

Heil just doesn't get it when his own sentence is quoted back to
him in response. :-)

Miccolis has to get into the act claiming he was "never on any
'AOLI' [sic] discussion boards." As a matter of fact he WAS
and we even exchanged some posts there when AOL (I did
not write 'AOLI') had many discussion boards, one of which
was about amateur radio.

Since AOL took down all those boards, Miccolis can claim
there were never any such things and he never posted on them.
Cute! I can't prove a thing NOW. Even if I had saved some of
those postings (sounding for all the world like parroting of the
ARRL's pet phrases), he can still DENY it! :-)

AOL also took down the software browser capability to
directly exchange messages with Usenet at the same time.
No doubt some of them must have looked like this newsgripe
does now. :-)

It's something like what the robeswine has done for YEARS in
here, insulting anyone who disagrees with him (even in the
slightest way), charging that they are homosexual, pedophiles,
aren't patriotic, wanting to talk to wives, even to insulting
educational institutions. The robeswine goes so far as to
pull off a "1984" Orwellian RE-DEFINITION of truth and lies
wherein he always tells the "truth" but those disagreeing with
him always "lie." Perverse.

That seems to be okay by Paul Schleck. We can't use the
claim that "he did it first." He did but we can't claim it under
some rough draft of moderated newsgroup "regulations" to-be.
Where has Paul been hiding, I wonder? He never saw those
posts that went on for years?

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As always, may you bask forever in the warm glow
of ByteBrohters famous phrase...

Gee, Len - don't you have the "guts" to say what the phrase is?